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Who bought the Xbox 360 HD DVD attachment?
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Lys Skygge
Member
I did. Less than a year later HDDVD was discontinued. I only got to watch Planet Earth on it. Complete waste of money.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Loved my HD-DVD. Best Buy had a pricing error on it the day they released and I got it for 50% off. Considering it came with King Kong in the box, as well as a mail-in rebate for 5 free HD-DVD's, it was a fucking bargain for me.
I do still think HD-DVD had its benefits. Particularly, the fact that it used open standards of HTML5 / JavaScript as the main engine. Blu-Ray's use Java and when you watch a movie, it's pretty much booting up a Java VM for the disc to execute inside of. Yuck. At the time, HD-DVD did have more features that Blu-Ray did not, so it was further ahead in its technology. The area it was lacking was in terms of capacity which Blu-Ray had a lead on, even though HD-DVD was making strides to release higher density discs. HD DVD was at the time even more affordable. It had a lot going for it, outside of corporate cash...
In the end, Sony and the BDA money-bagged the shit out of Fox and Warner to end the war. At the time, Fox and Warner were in talks together to join up and side with HD-DVD. Fox was having manufacturing troubles, and Warner hadn't decided which platform to side with. They thought if they chose HD-DVD together, there would be enough momentum swinging in that direction to end it. Fox then went to Sony with their manufacturing issue first and Sony gave them $120 million to stay Blu-Ray only. When that fell through, Warner then felt pretty obligated to join Blu-Ray, and Sony and the rest of the BDA paid Warner $500 million to go to Blu-Ray. Crazy amounts of money, but it did pretty decisively end the war after that and everything fell in line like domino's.
Nowhere near the same thankfully.
HDR10 is required for UHD Blu-Ray's. You can add Dolby Vision on top of that to your disc, but HDR10 is mandatory to be a UHD Blu-Ray disc.
However, streaming services don't have those requirements. Some only do stream in Dolby Vision, but the majority do HDR10 as well. I expect almost all to support HDR10 soon if they don't already. I believe Vudu is DV only and not HDR10 for example. Netflix supports both formats.
Luckily, in the end both can co-exist just as you have Dolby and DTS audio formats today. Dolby Vision uses dynamic metadata and can display a more accurate image overall because that metadata also tells it the capabilities of each chain of the video signal so it does have benefits over HDR10, but it is proprietary of course and not an open standard like HDR10.
So yeah, outside of a few early on who may have chosen poorly, you will eventually end up with 100% of TV's supporting HDR10, and a smaller set using Dolby Vision. It's not exactly the same a format war where they will stop making content for one format once the other gains the majority share.
I do still think HD-DVD had its benefits. Particularly, the fact that it used open standards of HTML5 / JavaScript as the main engine. Blu-Ray's use Java and when you watch a movie, it's pretty much booting up a Java VM for the disc to execute inside of. Yuck. At the time, HD-DVD did have more features that Blu-Ray did not, so it was further ahead in its technology. The area it was lacking was in terms of capacity which Blu-Ray had a lead on, even though HD-DVD was making strides to release higher density discs. HD DVD was at the time even more affordable. It had a lot going for it, outside of corporate cash...
In the end, Sony and the BDA money-bagged the shit out of Fox and Warner to end the war. At the time, Fox and Warner were in talks together to join up and side with HD-DVD. Fox was having manufacturing troubles, and Warner hadn't decided which platform to side with. They thought if they chose HD-DVD together, there would be enough momentum swinging in that direction to end it. Fox then went to Sony with their manufacturing issue first and Sony gave them $120 million to stay Blu-Ray only. When that fell through, Warner then felt pretty obligated to join Blu-Ray, and Sony and the rest of the BDA paid Warner $500 million to go to Blu-Ray. Crazy amounts of money, but it did pretty decisively end the war after that and everything fell in line like domino's.
Nowhere near the same thankfully.
HDR10 is required for UHD Blu-Ray's. You can add Dolby Vision on top of that to your disc, but HDR10 is mandatory to be a UHD Blu-Ray disc.
However, streaming services don't have those requirements. Some only do stream in Dolby Vision, but the majority do HDR10 as well. I expect almost all to support HDR10 soon if they don't already. I believe Vudu is DV only and not HDR10 for example. Netflix supports both formats.
Luckily, in the end both can co-exist just as you have Dolby and DTS audio formats today. Dolby Vision uses dynamic metadata and can display a more accurate image overall because that metadata also tells it the capabilities of each chain of the video signal so it does have benefits over HDR10, but it is proprietary of course and not an open standard like HDR10.
So yeah, outside of a few early on who may have chosen poorly, you will eventually end up with 100% of TV's supporting HDR10, and a smaller set using Dolby Vision. It's not exactly the same a format war where they will stop making content for one format once the other gains the majority share.
HORRIBLE!
The first consumer HD-DVD player was released like 6 months after the 360, and cost ~$900...the 360 likely would have had to be delayed, and would have cost just as much as a launch PS3...it would have destroyed the 360...
I had one and actually had about 30 HD DVD's that I bought cheap when it was clear that blue ray was winning the war. I liked it just fine, the quality seemed just as good as blu ray. Unfortunately about 18 months ago my house was robbed by a crackhead I used to know from childhood and most of my entertainment center disappeared along with my player and all my disks. Ugh don't do drugs kids
Septimus Prime
Member
In the end, they were right about one thing, though: the death of HD DVD was also the end of amazing BOGO deals. I built up my library at that time for like a fraction of what it would cost now.
Allforce
Member
I had one, I think Best Buy ran a deal where you got one for 99 bucks and got 5 free movies, plus a mail-in voucher to get like 5 more from Warner Brothers or something.
I used it for awhile and enjoyed it but I was big into the AVS forums and whatnot so I could see it wasn't going to last. I took it to the local mom and pop videogame store to trade it in.and the guy gave me like 275 bucks for the entire collection and player and I just bought a used PS3 with the money. I almost thought I was on some candid camera type show but I wasn't about to turn down that ridiculous offer.
I used it for awhile and enjoyed it but I was big into the AVS forums and whatnot so I could see it wasn't going to last. I took it to the local mom and pop videogame store to trade it in.and the guy gave me like 275 bucks for the entire collection and player and I just bought a used PS3 with the money. I almost thought I was on some candid camera type show but I wasn't about to turn down that ridiculous offer.
Armoured Priest
Member
I bought one after they were discontinued for like $20. I then sucked up a bunch of cheap movies.
makingmusic476
Member
AVS was weird to me. It seemed like most people were leaning Blu until the first players and ps3 got delayed by half a year, at which point a bunch bought launch HD DVD players and became VERY DEFENSIVE about those purchases.
Eventually it seemed like the site was taken over by people who spent all their time telling other people why HD DVD would clearly win, industry support and actual sales figures be damned.
eerik9000
Member
Got any proof for that? Because the only confirmed money-hatting I can remember was Toshiba paying $29 million for Paramount.
SenkiDala
Member
I did and still have some movies on this. Wanted to watch them recently (like 3/4 months ago), but it doesn't work on my 360 slim anymore... :/ I plug it but the console doesn't detect it (even if it has the "green light" on it working)... Tried to plug it on PC, it worked but it can only read DVDs, I didn't find any software that can read HDDVDs...
I searched on many websites how to make it works but nothing that I found worked for me, sad.
I searched on many websites how to make it works but nothing that I found worked for me, sad.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Me too. I had just gotten a raise and promotion at work and had loads of income. So I bought a 32" HDTV, ($1100 in 2006) a 360 and Dead Rising (The game that made me pull the trigger on the HD generation) and a few months later I got the attachment because I thought for sure it would win based on the name alone. I didn't get too much use out of it though. Got a few HD-DVDs here and there but eventually the format lost. Eventually bought a $200 Blu-Ray player.
That fall I also bought an $800 TiVo Series 3. I had so much disposable income.
makingmusic476
Member
Plus, FOX was Blu-ray exclusive from the getgo. Why would they suddenly switch sides completely, at a time when Blu-ray discs were outselling their HD DVD counterparts due to ps3?
Unknown Soldier
Member
I bought it and I still have it because I have a small collection of HD DVD movies I don't plan to ever rebuy including The Matrix Trilogy.
I was there and I saw it happen, that one MS vice president who posted there constantly whipping the cult into a frenzy was pretty insane. I still can't believe to this day that the people who ran AVS Forum allowed it to happen and never tried to stop it. I mean those were the early days of astroturfing and viral marketing I guess but still. It was so blatant and obscene and now we look back on it and realize also classic MS behavior.
I was there and I saw it happen, that one MS vice president who posted there constantly whipping the cult into a frenzy was pretty insane. I still can't believe to this day that the people who ran AVS Forum allowed it to happen and never tried to stop it. I mean those were the early days of astroturfing and viral marketing I guess but still. It was so blatant and obscene and now we look back on it and realize also classic MS behavior.
Septimus Prime
Member
I believe the tipping point was Transformers. It was exclusive to HD DVD, and even on its release week, HD DVD couldn't top Blu-ray sales. It never topped BD sales, no matter what it did, so it wasn't super surprising that Warner went exclusive with BD.
eerik9000
Member
Not to mention how concerned Fox were with piracy that they stopped producing Blu-rays after AACS was cracked until BD+ arrived. HD DVD did not have such improved copy protection system planned. It's all BS...
User 479360
Banned
Me, on launch day. I was so excited.
I used it as a DVD player in my basement for a little while, but it's been sitting in a drawer for years now.
I actually supported HD-DVD more than BR at the time, and hoped it'd win. I had more HD-DVD discs before Blu-ray became big, and had bought a bunch of expensive ones. Thankfully, I was able to return a lot of them because they were unopened and Future Shop took them back.
I don't buy movies anymore.
I used it as a DVD player in my basement for a little while, but it's been sitting in a drawer for years now.
I actually supported HD-DVD more than BR at the time, and hoped it'd win. I had more HD-DVD discs before Blu-ray became big, and had bought a bunch of expensive ones. Thankfully, I was able to return a lot of them because they were unopened and Future Shop took them back.
I don't buy movies anymore.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I wonder if it would work with my iMac or MacBook. I seem to recall it did back in the day. It could be useful the very rare times I ever need to rip something from a disc.
applesaucejaxon
Member
My wife got it for me for Christmas back when they first came out. Loved it and I still have it by the TV in our bedroom.
Even though the Xbox 360 is down with my basement TV... Which makes zero sense now that I'm thinking about it.
Even though the Xbox 360 is down with my basement TV... Which makes zero sense now that I'm thinking about it.
Wolfe
Member
I ended up buying a used 360 a few years after it had came out while I was living in Seattle. Thing came with 2 or 3 controllers, 10 or so games and an HD DVD drive with handful of movies.
The bundle was rather cheap and the HD DVD drive played no role in my decision to buy it but it was a neat little addon to get at the time. Most of the movies on it were OK to bleh but after a while it stopped working and I eventually got rid of it.
The bundle was rather cheap and the HD DVD drive played no role in my decision to buy it but it was a neat little addon to get at the time. Most of the movies on it were OK to bleh but after a while it stopped working and I eventually got rid of it.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
And it continues to this day:
One of the many Microsoft-supported technologies that have untrustworthy, manipulative people spreading misinformation to influence those that don't know any better.
There is no war there. HDR10 is the facto standard for UHD brays. Dolby vision is an added bonus. Kind of Dolby digital was the standard required for all DVD's, DTS was superior but optional.
All UHD brays that have HDR must have HDR10 as is the required standard and if it has also Dolby vision, then great, but there is and won't be any UHD brays with Dolby vision that doesn't have HDR10.
I keep reading about people thinking one is going to "win". Shows the manufactures should inform people better.
_Spr_Drnk
Banned
This got a big laugh from me. It was firmware updateable, right?
SumptuousLemur
Banned
*Raises Hand*
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
The downfall of HD-DVD
HD-DVD Hitler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qFWtLbKrdo
Yes, I still prefer most menus and the ability to skip, and internet checks and so on.
HD-DVD Hitler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qFWtLbKrdo
Yes, I still prefer most menus and the ability to skip, and internet checks and so on.
Waylon Drums
Member
Blu-Ray winning was what made my decision to buy a PS3. Before that, I had been planning on buying this and a 360.
I just thought the name HD-DVD was better.
I just thought the name HD-DVD was better.
Rather Dashing
Neo Member
Man, what a waste of money this thing turned out to be. I was sure HD-DVD was going to win the format war, I was sure it was the better format in general.
Now I just have a bunch of HD-DVDs that can't be played on any device that I have currently hooked up to a screen.
Though for awhile, after the DVD drive in my computer died, I used this as an external PC DVD drive. So that saved me like....$20?
Now I just have a bunch of HD-DVDs that can't be played on any device that I have currently hooked up to a screen.
Though for awhile, after the DVD drive in my computer died, I used this as an external PC DVD drive. So that saved me like....$20?
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
I bought one, it got stolen when my house was robbed. Through all the rage and misery, I couldn't help but laugh a little bit at that one thinking about the albatross the thieves had just inherited.
Yeah I got it for half price $100 but even that's $100 poorly spent.
At the time HD DVD had some exclusives so I thought why not. Turns out when the format war died, they all went to blu-ray anyway. Movies like the Bourne collection were HD-DVD exclusive at one point.
I doubt I'll get $10 for the player right now.
At the time HD DVD had some exclusives so I thought why not. Turns out when the format war died, they all went to blu-ray anyway. Movies like the Bourne collection were HD-DVD exclusive at one point.
I doubt I'll get $10 for the player right now.
Mackenzie 92
Member
I got one for like $20 with a ton of movies and tv series. Was kinda nifty back then.
DownGrader
Member
Despite not having an Xbox 360 right now, I really want to pick it up to use with PC, ha ha. I have a shtick for obscure hardware.
I think it's even still supported by latest Xbox 360 firmware, but not with the UI as elegant as on Blades dashboard.
The same, plus that Blu-ray porn drama. Ah, the memories.
I think it's even still supported by latest Xbox 360 firmware, but not with the UI as elegant as on Blades dashboard.
The same, plus that Blu-ray porn drama. Ah, the memories.
The Main Event
Member
Don't have the attachment but still have over 200 movies and the HD-XA2 is the best HD player I've ever owned. Also got an A3 as a backup.
aesupreme1
Member
The thing is, there were actually a few movies that (initially) had better picture quality on HD DVD because of the codec that was used. I had a PS3 and an HD DVD player, so I regularly read HI DEF DIGEST to help inform my purchase decisions for HD movies. Some titles on Blu Ray had more than one reissue before they settled on the codec they were happy with. And with each reissue, a new review would pop up detailing whether the picture had improved.
Eventually, the codec used for both formats was identical, but early on, that wasn't the case for every movie.
Possumowner
Member
Yeah bought mine dirt cheap,never used it or took it outta the box
TheSecondSpitter
Member
The cost of the XB360 would have been closer to PS3's $599 than $399, so MS would have actually lost market share in the US.
MS didn't own the HD-DVD format. Sony partially owned BR so the cost of including a BR player in the PS3 was partially subsidized.
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