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There is a lot of personal investment in E3 and what it's supposed to represent. I try not to avoid it myself, which was I probably didn't have as strong a reaction to the announcement of a lack of NX.
I was disappointed, sure. But only because I want to see the console, being a massive Nintendo fan. It didn't really have anything to do with E3. In the end, it doesn't really matter where and when I see it - all that matters is how good it is.
Is why I'm always amused when people disparage the publishers for not doing things "properly" - the annual bitching on EA Sports and some of the reactions to the Crash remaster serving as examples.
GHG
Member
Yeh I'm sure everyone would rather have had yet another on stage demo for No Mans Sky.
Nintendo clearly won, people are even talking if BotW can dethrone OoT. Nothing else comes remotely close, nothing got the reactions we saw like the stampede. And they did it by letting the people play the game, not with a cool video and promises. I've seen many people saying they'll get a WiiU or NX for this game, no other game shown has had a similar impact.
Magic Mushroom
Member
The world of TW3 is not nearly as interactive though. Zelda is a massive possibility space where almost everything can be interacted with in interesting ways. It encourages exploration and experimentation.
PuppetMaster
Member
Maybe you should check poll results first.
TheLegendOfMart
Banned
Why did Sony win?
God of War has been changed to generic, behind the shoulder action game, sure it looked pretty but nothing wowed me.
Detroit, another David Cage game.
Days Gone, bad demo which consisted of showing how many zombies they can throw on screen at once with a guy walking backwards with infinite ammo.
Horizon, pretty game, still not sold on the gameplay. Can't imagine ranged combat with long windup against melee characters is going to be fun constantly running away trying to get enough time to get a shot in. We already saw gameplay last year, why do we need to see it again.
The Last Guardian, short trailer, no on stage demo for something that is supposedly out in 4 months.
Call of Duty, another generic shooter we've already seen footage of.
Lego Starwars, another Tt game.
Resident Evil, PT ripoff, no indication of what the final game is going to be.
PSVR, not interested in games that have tacked on VR modes or VR "experiences".
Death Stranding, it was fucking nothing. Yeah wow it's Kojima who has made mediocre games for a while now (coming from a Metal Gear Solid fan).
Crash Bandicoot, riding on nostalgia with nothing to show other than a bit of Skylanders footage.
Spiderman, again nothing.
No Neo.
I've been team blue since PS1 and everything I saw left me underwhelmed if I wanted to watch trailers I would have gone to youtube.
I got more excited/interested in Microsoft conference this year. At least they are trying to do something different by converging platforms and services. Xbox Play Anywhere is a really cool idea to get people who don't buy consoles into the eco-system.
I am getting fed up of E3. Most of the games shown didn't even have a release date and are at least 12-18 months out at least.
God of War has been changed to generic, behind the shoulder action game, sure it looked pretty but nothing wowed me.
Detroit, another David Cage game.
Days Gone, bad demo which consisted of showing how many zombies they can throw on screen at once with a guy walking backwards with infinite ammo.
Horizon, pretty game, still not sold on the gameplay. Can't imagine ranged combat with long windup against melee characters is going to be fun constantly running away trying to get enough time to get a shot in. We already saw gameplay last year, why do we need to see it again.
The Last Guardian, short trailer, no on stage demo for something that is supposedly out in 4 months.
Call of Duty, another generic shooter we've already seen footage of.
Lego Starwars, another Tt game.
Resident Evil, PT ripoff, no indication of what the final game is going to be.
PSVR, not interested in games that have tacked on VR modes or VR "experiences".
Death Stranding, it was fucking nothing. Yeah wow it's Kojima who has made mediocre games for a while now (coming from a Metal Gear Solid fan).
Crash Bandicoot, riding on nostalgia with nothing to show other than a bit of Skylanders footage.
Spiderman, again nothing.
No Neo.
I've been team blue since PS1 and everything I saw left me underwhelmed if I wanted to watch trailers I would have gone to youtube.
I got more excited/interested in Microsoft conference this year. At least they are trying to do something different by converging platforms and services. Xbox Play Anywhere is a really cool idea to get people who don't buy consoles into the eco-system.
I am getting fed up of E3. Most of the games shown didn't even have a release date and are at least 12-18 months out at least.
Ozzykamikaze
Member
That happens when you don't make a game for years and years. It made me consider an NX also, but not because it was SO good, but because I haven't bought a Nintendo console in years because they don't have games I want.
Most people are not saying "I'm buying a PS4 for those games!" because they own one.
Oh yeah, an annual franchise, how exciting... Are you for real?
GHG
Member
Everyone knew FH3 was coming. Come on now, there's a Forza a year with Horizon and Motorsport being rotated. Not that I'm complaining as I buy them every year but it's like unveiling a new FIFA or COD at this point.
When I watch e3 I want to get exited for the future of gaming. It's like with any expo you would ever visit, companies that present talk about what products or plans they have for the future, not just talk about stuff that's coming in the next couple of months that everyone already knew about.
anothertech
Member
Spit milk on my phone
Ploid 3.0
Member
This was my takeaway from looking at more footage. I'm a seasoned open world game fan though, I've seen a ton of it, and the zelda stuff wasn't that impressive to me. Changing clothes based on weather just sound like an annoyance, or something for a strategy survival game (Fallout NV hardcore survival, drink water you're thirsty, gameplay).
MilkyJoe
Member
What did I say?
Something unseen you can play in a couple of months.
Do I want to see games years in advance? I want to see imminent shit
DR4 if you don't like FH, that'll be out soon too.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Well whether or not Sony won E3 or not, they certainly resonated the best with the members here, Nintendo a distant second.
But this place is only one audience, one that doesn't speak for even what is known as the hardcore gamer anymore. Much less the mainstream.
I'd like to see the results of an ign poll.
But this place is only one audience, one that doesn't speak for even what is known as the hardcore gamer anymore. Much less the mainstream.
I'd like to see the results of an ign poll.
plasmawave
Banned
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
GHG
Member
What if I don't care for dead rising and never have? Nothing they showed at their conference truly excited me other than Forza and it's been like that for years. Horizon 3 is my game of the show but I can't say it was a surprise. Just because it was unseen it didn't mean we should be surprised about it.
Sony have imminent shit as well. We already know about it or they get shown at other events across the year. Why waste expensive stage time going "um... So here's no mans sky again, and here is another the last guardian demo, here's Kaz and his translator to ramble on about GT Sport, oh and here's a game that's already been out for years but this time it's someone playing it in VR but you can't really experience what it feels like to play it so look at this guy wearing a VR headset instead".
It's fine if you want to see imminent shit, but I would prefer to also understand what future games are coming to the platform, 2017 and beyond.
yurinka
Member
My top 10:
1 ) Resident Evil 7 goes back to its roots, releases in January with full VR support and demo available now.
2 ) Days Gone looks amazing and confirms that Sony Bend is another top notch Sony 1st party studio.
3 ) Kojima is back: shows a teaser of his next game in a conference.
4 ) PSVR gets the support of big IPs like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Star Wars, Batman Arkham, Resident evil and some promising games designed for it.
5 ) The Last Guardian got a release date and it's just a few months away.
6 ) Kratos is back in a sequel that looks amazing and feel fresh, with some changes that seem to be something the series needed.
7 ) Horizon Zero Dawn seems to be the most promising gameplay of the E3.
8 ) Steep looks very cool: an open world sports game that doesn't seem to focus on competition.
9 ) Titanfall 2 in addition to be multiplatform has a single player campaign and looks promising.
10 ) New Call of Duty surprised me: looked super cool in the conference and didn't expect that this was CoD.
So for me Sony won the E3. The other conferences had a great catalog of strong, solid, promising games but many of them didn't show gameplay or where super boring with too long chats and no megatons.
Only MS also had a great conference, but its second half was weaker for me with games that aren't for me like Minecraft, We Happy Few, or the cards game.
Zelda felt ok but also empty, repetitive and boring, with a lot of walking through an empty world. I missed to see more dungeons with cool puzzles and more different environments.
1 ) Resident Evil 7 goes back to its roots, releases in January with full VR support and demo available now.
2 ) Days Gone looks amazing and confirms that Sony Bend is another top notch Sony 1st party studio.
3 ) Kojima is back: shows a teaser of his next game in a conference.
4 ) PSVR gets the support of big IPs like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Star Wars, Batman Arkham, Resident evil and some promising games designed for it.
5 ) The Last Guardian got a release date and it's just a few months away.
6 ) Kratos is back in a sequel that looks amazing and feel fresh, with some changes that seem to be something the series needed.
7 ) Horizon Zero Dawn seems to be the most promising gameplay of the E3.
8 ) Steep looks very cool: an open world sports game that doesn't seem to focus on competition.
9 ) Titanfall 2 in addition to be multiplatform has a single player campaign and looks promising.
10 ) New Call of Duty surprised me: looked super cool in the conference and didn't expect that this was CoD.
So for me Sony won the E3. The other conferences had a great catalog of strong, solid, promising games but many of them didn't show gameplay or where super boring with too long chats and no megatons.
Only MS also had a great conference, but its second half was weaker for me with games that aren't for me like Minecraft, We Happy Few, or the cards game.
Zelda felt ok but also empty, repetitive and boring, with a lot of walking through an empty world. I missed to see more dungeons with cool puzzles and more different environments.
lol, I haven't seen any EZA E3 coverage this year (not a fan of their reaction streams). I should check out their YouTube page.
Ploid 3.0
Member
So now we are being told what we should care about? I know there's a lot coming out this year and there's already enough media on them. I like being shown future stuff because there's nothing on them, and they showed demos of them, the Spider-Man video wasn't a demo, but it's in engine and it's Spider-Man by Insomniac, with a big budget. That's exciting enough.
I thought this was the Xbox guy for a bit. Well until after reading your text.
I thought this was the Xbox guy for a bit. Well until after reading your text.
Sony. Their format was excellent. No long drawn out showings, no business talk bullshit, talking about games back to back.
Microsoft's show was severely compromised by early leaks. Even then there weren't MAJOR new games being shown off. A card game segment? Eeww no. Long drawn out Minecraft segment.
Sony all the way although the way based on the format but even they didn't have that many huge announcements. Their VR showing was crap
Microsoft's show was severely compromised by early leaks. Even then there weren't MAJOR new games being shown off. A card game segment? Eeww no. Long drawn out Minecraft segment.
Sony all the way although the way based on the format but even they didn't have that many huge announcements. Their VR showing was crap
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Okay.
I swear to you I watched the demo. I watched it again and this what I saw, just for you because it's fresh.
1. Dialogue system even more simplistic than Mass Effect.
2. Ability to use any weapon at any time. In Monster Hunter, you generally have to commit, and while you can change classes often, you aren't going to generally have all of your gear on you at once.
3. Little amount of risk. In Monster Hunter, if you wanna cook some meat, you have to time it so it's perfect and well done or you risk burning it and wasting your resource. If you're planting a mine or a bomb in Monster Hunter, you're going to have a long animation. Forcing you to wait it out for when the monster finally comes into your vicinity. There is no such thing in this. When she plants the mine in Horizon, it comes out of nowhere. There is no risk. There is no throwing meat at the mecha chasing her to distract it, plant the mine while its mind isn't paying attention. There is no risk. It's completely on the fly. There's not even a stamina bar.
4. Another western open world game that tells you where to go, what to do. Go to the corrupted zone! What is there to do besides go to the corrupted zone exactly? This is what I'm done with. Not the games you said are so, so apparently similar to Horizon.
5. Each weapon seems to have the character have the same weight. In monster hunter, a long sword user controls completely differently than someone with a great sword. With a great sword, you can't jump, and can't run without depleting your stamina like candy. Where's the risk in Horizon? Oh, but this is so totally like Monster Hunter, right?
6. In Monster Hunter, you have to track the monster yourself. There is no blip on the map telling you exactly where it is. When you do track the monster, and throw a paint ball on it so it can be tracked, THAT'S when it finally appears on your map. Monster Hunter requires effort. When capturing that robot horse, the player used some item that automatically tied a rope on it and connected it to rocks. Meanwhile in MH, if you want to plant a mine and lure an enemy there, you're going to be doing it yourself.
7. That's another thing. Opening your menu slows down the action giving a bit time to think. There is no pausing in MH. If you want to plant a mine and lure, you're doing that in real time. Better pre plan that hunt to the minute details. Speaking of planning, what exactly was planned here? You have an idea of where it is, maybe what it does, but you can't plan without prior knowledge and research.
Now, I ask you this:
Is there weapon sharpening? In Monster Hunter, when your blade dulls during a big fight you might need to get out of town so you can sharpen your weapon again because otherwise you are leaving yourself open to getting wrecked.
Do weapons change character weight and speed?
Your premise is flawed. But then again, I'm not not the one who decided to compare Horizon to Monster Hunter. I can definitely see inspiration from MH, but it's still not MH and saying that just because I like hunting monsters in Capcom's game series means I should totally love Horizon is silly. You compared this game to games I'm looking forward to without considering why I even like them, specifically Monster Hunter. Everything I saw of the Horizon demo was shallowness. Pretty, but shallow. But that's what I expect from the typical open world game now. I can understand why someone would enjoy it, but I was only speaking from my perspective.
I didn't see much if any depth in the Horizon demo. All I saw was potential with a typical western open world bent. Monster Hunter is a series I adore. It doesn't take place in an open world. It has missions quests and "levels". Final Fantasy XV I'm looking forward to a bit, but its open world isn't one of the reasons why because I haven't had the opportunity to actually see the characters interact with it in any large manner and I doubt SE's ability to pull such a thing off. I'm in it for the road trip motif. Comparing this to Zelda BOTW is reaching. It's not even half as interactive. I like or am interested in these three titles for completely different reasons. You're barking up the tree when you compare a 8 minute demo video to something like Monster Hunter and you know it. You're reaching, pal.
Let me guess: you work for Guerilla, don't you?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
What elements? Physics based puzzels/combat/exploration - done before and probabaly with greater detail than Zelda.
There were plenty of other games playable on the show floor which you could have recorded hours of gameplay for. Scripted? What was scripted?
MilkyJoe
Member
It's got nothing to do whether you like a certain game or which platform it's on, my preference is to see stuff that's far along enough that you can see actual game play. I am all for seeing what is coming in the future if it means something, like the original Battlefront reveal, no game play but you know what's coming. Naked dude on a beach, surrounded by dead whales. That's it, no explanation, what is this going to be?
1. I have to go with Sony. They showed off a bunch of games that appear to be, likely, fantastic.
2. I enjoyed what Microsoft was doing with their hardware, but games-wise there wasn't a lot of meat for me.
3. Nintendo was basically just Zelda. I understand why - it's their last hurrah with the Wii U as they put the platform behind them, but still - I'd have liked to see more of something, anything. They came off like the company in transition they are, but without any forward-looking ideas.
2. I enjoyed what Microsoft was doing with their hardware, but games-wise there wasn't a lot of meat for me.
3. Nintendo was basically just Zelda. I understand why - it's their last hurrah with the Wii U as they put the platform behind them, but still - I'd have liked to see more of something, anything. They came off like the company in transition they are, but without any forward-looking ideas.
Bobs Big Boy
Member
Thanks. That's on par with everything else I've seen this year. Easy vote.
GHG
Member
Ok if that's the case then this is what we saw gameplay for at the conference:
Days Gone
God of War
Resident Evil 7
Horizon
We also saw gameplay trailers for:
Detroit
Spiderman
The last Guardian
So what you have described is one game which got a very specific reveal because of who the person is making the game (I agree, it did nothing for me but I can at least understand why other people would get excited for it) while ignoring pretty much everything else they showed.
What are you trying to achieve here?
Bobs Big Boy
Member
I'll also need to know about Jeff Gerstmann. What has he done this E3?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Sony easily won E3.
You can tell that when their best games weren't even part of the conference.
Bound, Gravity Rush 2, Nier: Automata are absolutly magnificient.
You can tell that when their best games weren't even part of the conference.
Bound, Gravity Rush 2, Nier: Automata are absolutly magnificient.
Are you saying that VR Porn won E3? :-D
Spring Drive
Banned
Gamers won
Self_Destructive
Member
Microsoft won for me this year. They had like 3-4 games I wanted coming out this year. Sony didn't really have anything, it was all 2017.
Personally Sony had more games that both appeal to me and wowed me, ms show was leak city and I can't remember one game I hadn't already seen last e3 or that wasn't a given like fh3. The pace of the show was better too, no long talks bits game after game, ms was bogged down with some really slow bits like that minecraft bit. Again though most people are going to go with largely the company they are mostly invested in, some of my mates Xbox only gamers didn't even give Sony a chance and everything was shit to them haha.
Same. Also I don't mind that they showed things a little further out. They have a bunch of stuff coming this year or early next, and lots of updated trailers etc released before and after the conference. So if you wanted to know more about games that have already been at one or two conferences, you have that - they just chose not to give them stage time.
Nice! is this the praise the sun guy? lol that was funny.
Dombrowski
is responsible for the well-being of this island.
In terms of press conferences, no one won. They were all terrible. Sony's was the least terrible (severely lacking Japanese and indie titles) but still pretty meh.
Voted for Jeff.
Voted for Jeff.
InquisitorAles
Member
Almost exactly my thoughts about Sony's E3. It was more disappointing than impressive for me, RE7 and new GOW is not sequels that i wanted for those series.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
My heart wants to say Nintendo, because it's a way better story if videogaming's Little Mac took on the whole industry with a single game and won.
But my head says Sony - they had so much great stuff.
Nintendo didn't bring a single thing for Wii U for the holidays, save for October's Paper Mario, which we'd already seen.
On the other hand, Sony didn't even say the word "Vita" once.
I guess in the end, I really liked Sony's turn towards narrative action games with strong, mature writing and high quality visuals.
I think the story of this E3 is that Sony had the best presentation, Nintendo had the biggest game, and Sony comes out ahead on volume - so they'll get my vote here - while Nintendo's a strong 1A, getting a lot of people interested in NX again before they've even shown it.
But my head says Sony - they had so much great stuff.
Nintendo didn't bring a single thing for Wii U for the holidays, save for October's Paper Mario, which we'd already seen.
On the other hand, Sony didn't even say the word "Vita" once.
I guess in the end, I really liked Sony's turn towards narrative action games with strong, mature writing and high quality visuals.
I think the story of this E3 is that Sony had the best presentation, Nintendo had the biggest game, and Sony comes out ahead on volume - so they'll get my vote here - while Nintendo's a strong 1A, getting a lot of people interested in NX again before they've even shown it.