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Who's the Biggest A-Hole in Wrerstling?

Syder said:
I don't understand people that give Jim Cornette or Vince Russo any attention in 2017. At the very least though Cornette is very knowledgeable and passionate about the business (his HOF speech for The Rock ‘n' Roll Express was excellent) but I can't fucking stand Russo. He's a homophobic hack that took far more from the business than he contributed.
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Cornette's podcast is pretty good for wrestling history and he has takes on guys that you don't often hear because he worked with them in OVW or in Smoky Mountain, etc. Cornette is a loudmouth but I usually appreciate most of his takes. Also by most accounts Cornette isn't an asshole as some people dropped back on page 1. Just a loudmouth who really likes the smell of his own shit, but other than Russo, nobody really hates Cornette, they just think he's over the top.
 
Moolah is easily the number one for me. Thankfully WWE is smart enough these days to not reference her anymore knowing there'll be hell on if they ever do.

Warrior comes off as doubly despicable to me for brushing off a Make A Wish kid, even without his homophobia/sexism that alone is just disgusting. You know you've fucked up when even someone like Hogan is calling you out.

At the least there's some real troopers in wrestling as well. Like people have said, Mark Henry is a shining star to me, putting up with so much bullshit throughout the years and still sticking in with the WWE despite all the attempts to mock and humiliate him. He's gonna go down as one of the all time greats.
 
cr0w said:
Yeah, personally there's a rather large gap between being an asshole backstage and basically enslaving and prostituting the women working for you, among other things. Benoit, Snuka (allegedly), etc. have all done horrible things, but there's a special place in Hell for someone who went to the depths that Moolah did.

Not diminishing any of the other acts we've spoken of, of course, but again...Moolah took part in that shit for decades.
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True. There's a lot of wrestlers who are assholes. Punk, for example, admits he is a dick and often difficult to work with. But he's a far cry better than the straight up human garbage that's stepped into a wrestling ring over the years.

Moolah tho....damn. You really can only put the actual murderers over someone like her. It makes me cringe whenever WWE cites her as this prestine noble influence in video packages when she should be persona non grata like Benoit.
 
Worst of the worst:
Benoit
Snuka
Jose Gonzalez
Moolah

Assholes:
Vince
Russo
Demott
Bob Holly
JBL
90's HBK
Michael Hayes
Warrior

Destroyer of Careers:
HHH
Hogan
 
I have trouble saying Benoit because the dude had the brain of a man in his 80s with Alzheimer's when he murdered his family, though I suppose one could argue he was ultimately responsible in that he chose to take horrendous bumps and pump himself full of steroids.
 
The Albatross said:
There's fewer top guys who weren't assholes than who were. I'd say Bill Goldberg was probably never an asshole... he was green, but he wasn't an asshole, generally didn't get mixed up in the bad side of the industry and didn't try to fuck people over. The Undertaker is one of the few guys whose almost never described by anybody as an asshole... Don't think I've ever heard a shoot interview where someone said shit about him, it's amazing that guys on every side of every wrestling fence seemingly respect and like him. Yokozuna, from all accounts, wasn't an asshole... For a huge guy who could probably kill his opponent, he was remarkably safe. Oh, and Sting, few people have anything bad to say about Sting... Maybe there's something that I don't know though.
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Tell that to DDP. Undertaker deliberately buried the shit out of him.

He was also one of the leading guys in the "wrestlers court" bullshit that went on behind the scenes.
 
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
 
Dirca said:
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
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So what you are saying is he's an asshole?
 
Ninja Scooter said:
So what you are saying is he's an asshole?
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Precisely. He absolutely needs to be an asshole, and that's a good thing. How much of an asshole do you have to be to allow an event to be called "Great Balls of Fire"??? I'm willing to bet he pissed himself laughing at that one
 
Dirca said:
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
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Dirca said:
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
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He's still a giant asshole
 
Dirca said:
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
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He helped cover up the death of Nancy Argentino.
 
Dirca said:
I don't understand the context of this.

Yes, a very good one too.

I guess you have evidence or information regarding this? Why have you not turned it over to authorities yet?
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Because Jimmy sunnka died before Vince got his ass subpoenaed.
 
Heroman said:
Because Jimmy sunnka died before Vince got his ass subpoenaed.
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If there was any real proof or evidence out there linking him to a cover up or obstruction, her family could still go after him. Otherwise it's all hearsay or opinion. If something were to ever come out directly linking him to the crime, I'd change my opinion of him to murderous accomplice.

Until then, he's a great asshole.
 
Dirca said:
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
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The hole at the bottom of my back pushes shit out of it by necessity. Without that hole, I would die. Despite the necessity of it, it's still an asshole.
 
Dirca said:
If there was any real proof or evidence out there linking him to a cover up or obstruction, her family could still go after him
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They could but the only people who know about it are Jimmy and the Detective who are both dead and .The family doesn't really care about that they wanted Justice for their daughter and will never get it.
 
JPeeples83 said:
Well, Buck Zumhofe fucked his daughter for many years - so I'll go with him.
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This is an underrated post

As far as Benoit goes, I'm sorry, I don't care how damaged your brain is, he murdered his Wife, then his son, then was coherent enough to feed the dogs and put them in a yard and text Regal and Chavo about it before killing himself. Fuck him.
 
How about "Killer" Sam Shepard, who traded on his notoriety for a brief wrestling career? Shepard killed his wife, who was pregnant with their second child, and was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Years later, the decision was overturned, and he was acquitted in the second trial.

How about Dynamite Kid, Thomas Billington, who frequently would wake his sleeping wife by pointing a pistol at her and telling her that "the next time, it's going to be loaded"? He broke her jaw with a punch when she finally left him and told her that she had 15 minutes to leave with their kids before he shot them.

How about alleged child molester Rob Feinstein?

How about self-confessed rapist Art Barr?

How about Ken Wayne, one of the Nightmares in the NWA with Danny Davis, who was convicted of possessing child pornography?

How about La Dama del Silencio, the serial killer known as the Little Old Lady Killer?

How about Hardbody Harrison, who kidnapped and imprisoned at least 8 women in his barn?

But I'm sure that every one of these villains has a mitigating circumstance for their crimes.
 
I seem to recall HHH/HBK doing some racist shit towards The Rock and The Nation back in the day (well beyond what was needed for the storyline). But I haven't read up on that in ages so I could be mistaken.

I do know they tried to stop The Rock from ascending up the Vince ladder, like the snowflakes they were.
 
Dirca said:
Everyone citing Vince....you do know he's first and foremost a promoter, right?? You HAVE to be a major asshole to be a successful promoter, which he is. You can bitch about stuff that Hogan, JBL, and Demott has said or done, but that falls more on agents allowing that culture to flourish, not Vince McMahon. If he wasn't an asshole, the WWE wouldn't be what it is today (highly successful) or the juggernaut it was in the 90's
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Being an asshole is a spectrum, and Vince could've done shit like his shady buyouts and the Montreal screwjob while not also doing shit like a rainbow collage of fucked up shitty racist/sexist/homophobic angles, burying an ever-expanding lineup of new guys in favor of his big boring old meatheads, dumping guys instead of helping them when they had injury/substance abuse/psychological problems etc etc etc

But if you're defending things on the basis of "IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS/IT'S HIS BUSINESS" and think that makes you immune from being an asshole, I have unfortunate news for you
 
Dick Murdoch was reputedly a member of the KKK - Dusty once told a story about Dick driving him and a bunch of the guys to a party without telling them it was hosted by the Klan.
 
The Albatross said:
Cornette's podcast is pretty good for wrestling history and he has takes on guys that you don't often hear because he worked with them in OVW or in Smoky Mountain, etc. Cornette is a loudmouth but I usually appreciate most of his takes. Also by most accounts Cornette isn't an asshole as some people dropped back on page 1. Just a loudmouth who really likes the smell of his own shit, but other than Russo, nobody really hates Cornette, they just think he's over the top.
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Jim's also as legit as it gets in terms of his career in the business; The guy has literally worked for every major promotion in his time, is one of the consensus top 5 GOAT managers, and a pretty damn well-regarded booker/producer.

His rants are things of beauty too!
 
Clear said:
Jim's also as legit as it gets in terms of his career in the business; The guy has literally worked for every major promotion in his time, is one of the consensus top 5 GOAT managers, and a pretty damn well-regarded booker/producer.

His rants are things of beauty too!
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He's also a JBL defender
 
bigkrev said:
As far as Benoit goes, I'm sorry, I don't care how damaged your brain is, he murdered his Wife, then his son, then was coherent enough to feed the dogs and put them in a yard and text Regal and Chavo about it before killing himself. Fuck him.
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Yup.

People need to get the idea out of their heads that 'Benoit didn't know what he was doing'. Yes, he did. He absolutely knew what he was doing.
 
Syder said:
Yup.

People need to get the idea out of their heads that 'Benoit didn't know what he was doing'. Yes, he did. He absolutely knew what he was doing.
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Not absolving him of blame but also acknowledging that his brain was mush and probably attributed to his mental state and actions are not mutually exclusive.
 
Clear said:
Jim's also as legit as it gets in terms of his career in the business; The guy has literally worked for every major promotion in his time, is one of the consensus top 5 GOAT managers, and a pretty damn well-regarded booker/producer.

His rants are things of beauty too!
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There's a lot of times I've gone back and forth on "Cornette sounds like a genuis" and "Cornette sounds like a fucking lunatic idiot", but when I really stop and think about it, I think his problem is he just loves wrestling too much.

The dude has lived and breathed "the business" for so fucking long it's all he knows, and he's from the time where you didn't fuck around with it. He talks about how he'd fire a heel if if he was seen with a face, how if you did anything CLOSE to the 'fun' wrestling you see now he'd throw you the fuck out, etc.

He just LOVES wrestling, for better or worse, and it leads him down verbal roads that are sometimes funny and sometimes aggressive.
 
Syder said:
Yup.

People need to get the idea out of their heads that 'Benoit didn't know what he was doing'. Yes, he did. He absolutely knew what he was doing.
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If he legitimately had the brain of a 78 year old with advanced Alzheimer's, it's hard to really say he 'knew what he was doing'. He was cognizant, sure, since the act was one that was fairly meticulous and thought out, but it was also the act of someone whose mind just stopped working normally.

I'm not excusing what he did at all, but his mind was just destroyed from years of trauma. It's a slightly different situation than most of the others listed. In the end, though, he still murdered his wife and son.
 
cr0w said:
If he legitimately had the brain of a 78 year old with advanced Alzheimer's, it's hard to really say he 'knew what he was doing'. He was cognizant, sure, since the act was one that was fairly meticulous and thought out, but it was also the act of someone whose mind just stopped working normally.

I'm not excusing what he did at all, but his mind was just destroyed from years of trauma. It's a slightly different situation than most of the others listed. In the end, though, he still murdered his wife and son.
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The only thing I'm going to add to this, respectfully, is my grandfather died in his 80s from Alzheimer's (for better or worse as the description of the cause). He lived with my grandmother as his caretaker until the end, and he would only really freak out if he didn't 'recognize' he was at home. Nothing hyper aggressive, but like, "aggravated" at his situation internally.

MAYBE it aggravates the brain in the same vein of "Alcohol makes drunk people's personalities comes out", but I don't think Benoit gets a free pass fully because of the brain stuff.

[If Benoit's brain is just being compared to an Alzheimer's brain, ignore everything I just said]
 
formated4tv said:
The only thing I'm going to add to this, respectfully, is my grandfather died in his 80s from Alzheimer's (for better or worse as the description of the cause). He lived with my grandmother as his caretaker until the end, and he would only really freak out if he didn't 'recognize' he was at home. Nothing hyper aggressive, but like, "aggravated" at his situation internally.

MAYBE it aggravates the brain in the same vein of "Alcohol makes drunk people's personalities comes out", but I don't think Benoit gets a free pass fully because of the brain stuff.

[If Benoit's brain is just being compared to an Alzheimer's brain, ignore everything I just said]
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Attempting to understand why someone did something awful != excusing it.
 
formated4tv said:
The only thing I'm going to add to this, respectfully, is my grandfather died in his 80s from Alzheimer's (for better or worse as the description of the cause). He lived with my grandmother as his caretaker until the end, and he would only really freak out if he didn't 'recognize' he was at home. Nothing hyper aggressive, but like, "aggravated" at his situation internally.

MAYBE it aggravates the brain in the same vein of "Alcohol makes drunk people's personalities comes out", but I don't think Benoit gets a free pass fully because of the brain stuff.

[If Benoit's brain is just being compared to an Alzheimer's brain, ignore everything I just said]
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It was a comparison. His brain was in comparable shape to that of an elderly person in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's. It didn't match exactly, of course, but that was how they explained it in non-scientific terms.

I'm taking the "understanding" approach here because I've been close to a situation that was actually comparable to what Benoit did to his family, though there were no children involved. It's easy to simply condemn the murderer based on the end result, but like NinjaScooter said, attempting to understand doesn't mean you're excusing it. It's just a horrible, complicated situation that you'll probably never wrap your head around.
 
Syder said:
I don't understand people that give Jim Cornette or Vince Russo any attention in 2017. At the very least though Cornette is very knowledgeable and passionate about the business (his HOF speech for The Rock ‘n’ Roll Express was excellent) but I can't fucking stand Russo. He's a homophobic hack that took far more from the business than he contributed.
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Wtf Russo contributed so much.

Contributed so much damage that we should invent a time machine and save wcw WHO'S WITH ME GUYS WE'RE GOING TO GO SAVE WCW
 
Verne Gagne killed another resident of the nursing home he was in though Verne legit had Alzheimer's IIRC. Benoit's brain just supposedly resembled that of an 80 year old with it due to abnormal build up of tau protein deposits in the tested tissue as the hypothesis goes, there was definitely something wrong with him and he could've had something similar to the earlier stages but he obviously wasn't to the point of where he couldn't function as some try to argue against the idea as if Alzheimer's immediately works that way. It's probably more along the line of what's happening with former football player, American Gladiators host and famous WWE Raw commentator and general manager Mike Adamle is going through with dementia.


Again, here's a good compilation of why Moolah is a piece of shit.


Also looked up and found Jake Roberts talking about his human garbage father Grizzly Smith.
 
formated4tv said:
There's a lot of times I've gone back and forth on "Cornette sounds like a genuis" and "Cornette sounds like a fucking lunatic idiot", but when I really stop and think about it, I think his problem is he just loves wrestling too much.

The dude has lived and breathed "the business" for so fucking long it's all he knows, and he's from the time where you didn't fuck around with it. He talks about how he'd fire a heel if if he was seen with a face, how if you did anything CLOSE to the 'fun' wrestling you see now he'd throw you the fuck out, etc.

He just LOVES wrestling, for better or worse, and it leads him down verbal roads that are sometimes funny and sometimes aggressive.
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Dude is so narrow minded though. Like I'm sorry wrestling isn't what it was Jim, but you're a grown ass man and not someone who whines on Gaf about Cody Rhodes.
 
Vince is no angel, I'm aware of some of the stuff he has done in the past. But I also know he looks out for the well being of some of the older wrestlers, he also does great charity with children's hospitals, and always does great work with the military over seas. So I can't vote for him.

My vote goes to JBL.
 
Arrowgigantic said:
All of it. You don't have to be an asshole to be successful, and WWE wasn't successful because Vince was an asshole.
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I disagree. The wrestling business is full of ego. Let's face it, it's about making money. The bigger your star, the more you make. With the exception of some, you don't make the big money without resorting to being a dick to someone to hang on to your place. Hogan/HBK/Hall/Nash/Austin/Flair made their money that way. If Vince isn't a bigger asshole, the talent would've walked all over him. You have to be an asshole as a wrestling promoter or you will not be successful.
 
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