Arguments.
For all of the lovely time consuming arguments.
I think that the "exclusives bad" mentality is not a good one. Some of the best games ever have been exclusives, games that might not ever even had existed if not for their exclusivity.
As a more recent example, just look at demon's souls on the ps3, if Sony had never funded that game, it might never had existed, never creating an entire new subgenre of action rpg's.
Physical music is no longer sold? I could have swore LP's are making a comeback.
I prefer to think my PS5 as a Tesla!For the same reason why Toyota Corolla exists.
Controllers and comfy sofa gaming.
What about all the console players playing Cyberpunk on PS4 and XBOne?In the Cyberpunk 2077 PC thread most people will be playing with lower specs than PS5 and Xbox Series X. That gives some notion of PC graphical superiority being more theoric than practical, most people don't want to upgrade their specs frequently, so they would ended up having a better experience playing on consoles.
?It wasn't very long ago that nearly everyone expected the PS3/Xbox360/Wii generation to be the last one for game consoles.
No. Unlike consoles PC players have choices when it comes to hardware.Maybe, but that would also kill PC gaming. Gamers will have internet equipped TVs and PCs will be glorified typewriters.
No. Unlike consoles PC players have choices when it comes to hardware.
No I'd rather talk about reality. And streaming will never be perfect, but good enough for the masses which is what the console manufacturers concentrate on.Keep in mind we're talking about an hypothetical situation where cloud gaming is 100% perfect. In such a situation PC gaming would be just as redundant as consoles: all you would need is an internet-enabled screen and some sort of control device.
It wasn't very long ago that nearly everyone expected the PS3/Xbox360/Wii generation to be the last one for game consoles.
You can do this with a PC... Hell, I was JUST doing it, playing the lego games with my son.
So you can sit down and hand them a controller and the game is instantly up on the screen?
A Set Standard
This question is like asking why does Windows exist when there is Linux.
The single reason consoles exist is the set standard. Lack of freedom is sometimes a blessing.
PCs are better but it comes with freedom and that freedom means lots of different hardware configs, drivers, different OS, different inputs/controllers, a bunch of stores/launchers, bots/cheats etc. If somebody curated and chose a single set standard for these things that person would just reinvent the console.
Yes? It sounds like you don't know the slightest thing about PC gaming. so why are you even talking about it?
I literally picked up a gamepad, hit stream games on my shield and I was able to play the game coop with my son in like 3 seconds, with the PC in another room entirely.
Welcome to like 2016 or so when we could do this shit.
No I'd rather talk about reality. And streaming will never be perfect, but good enough for the masses which is what the console manufacturers concentrate on.
Also I there are many other factors such as owning games, playing older games, niche games and ones not available at Sonys or Microsofts stores.
I quoted you saying streaming will kill PC gaming too if it kills consoles. Which I totally disagree with.That's perfectly fine, but that's not what we were discussing at the time so yeah. We were talking hypotheticals.
I quoted you saying streaming will kill PC gaming too if it kills consoles. Which I totally disagree with.
I never said PC will kill consoles.
- Exclusive games
- This one has to be mentioned, but it's probably the worst reason for a video game console to exist. Exclusive games add value to a platform only because they are kept off of others. It's not a real value add, but keeping value off other platforms.
Physical music survived some historically difficult periods as well.
But when your time is up, your time is up.
Records being broken for both new consoles. Switch selling like crazy. Please tell me why consoles times are up? When and if streaming games becomes mainstream (streaming games is so much different to streaming movies/music) then I will give up gaming completely. Relying on the internet to play ANY games is complete horse shit. Fuck streaming. Fuck subscription services.
There was a lot of talk about it leading up to the PS4/Xbox One launch. Once those came out and sold well, it kind of faded into the background where it is now.?
I don't remember that.
What was the reason that nearly everyone expected that? Streaming?
There have been a few good counterpoints about exclusives in this thread, I think you guys are right. I only really saw them as a good thing when they are developed with unique hardware capabilities in mind, but I guess there are legitimate business reasons why exclusivity can be good for everyone in some cases. I'm going to pick "timed exclusives are bad" as my hill to die on now.One point I do want to bring up about exclusives...
Well of course, but in order for game consoles to be a profitable business they have to be desired. The question of "Why do they exist?" or "What purpose do they serve?" comes before an industry can develop around them and make money by selling them. Cars exist because people enjoy the freedom of being able to travel over long distances quickly, not just because Chevrolet manufactures them to make money.Because of Benjamin Franklin.
There's really no other reason, Sony's, MS' and Nintendo's financial reports clearly show why those companies keep making those consoles.
Well to spill the beans if it wasn't apparent, I'm definitely a console fanboy myself. In the past 6-7 years I've built two gaming PCs and both times I ended up selling them because I kept migrating back onto the couch with a controller and at that point the PCs were just really expensive and really inconvenient game consoles. Every now and then I get an itch to plan a PC build and think about how I might enjoy it more. The problem is that after building a couple of PCs I've learned that what I'd really love to put together, if it was possible, is a game console. The major limiting factors there are the OS (haven't found a way to replicate a console experience, SteamOS is the closest thing but I think there are still some compatibility issues) and the price. If PS5 components were on pcpartpicker and you could buy them all for $500 and snap them together in a small case, that's exactly what my build would end up being because of the price/value. I didn't mean to ask "Why do game consoles exist?" to imply that they shouldn't. Just curious about how people view them and like to think about what the future could hold.My GF despises playing on Pc but loves playing Playstation on the couch.
Yes? It sounds like you don't know the slightest thing about PC gaming. so why are you even talking about it?
I literally picked up a gamepad, hit stream games on my shield and I was able to play the game coop with my son in like 3 seconds, with the PC in another room entirely.
Welcome to like 2016 or so when we could do this shit.
Yup, and physical music probably broke some records in the 1990s too. Then digital went big time a few years later and decimated the physical market.
Same thing will happen to games. The question is when.
Lmao, been PC gaming since 1996.
Exactly, you have to involve a third device.
I've worked in IT for 20 years, I know how PCs work. It's never as streamlined and never will be as streamlined as a dedicated Linux box optimized for gaming.
I tried the Steam Controller, Link, PC behind the center, etc... it's never as simple as people want to pretend it is.
Not to mention if you don't have the PC near you then VR is out. PSVR is right there.
Oh and by your "durr its easy you just dont get it" post, I can do this on the TV next to mine that my wife uses? With the same Shield tablet? Sharing out the same games?
Big difference is you need to play games with a controller. Requiring the net to play introduces lag. If you're fine with lag then go right ahead. I prefer to play on the big screen with a small box near my tv. Streaming games will only take off if enough idiots allow it.
Personally, I don't bother trying to play PC games in the living room. PC gaming is best with a comfy chair and a big monitor on a desk.
Big difference is you need to play games with a controller. Requiring the net to play introduces lag. If you're fine with lag then go right ahead. I prefer to play on the big screen with a small box near my tv. Streaming games will only take off if enough idiots allow it.
Yup.
And I used to be all about it, but after enough years doing it for a job I just can't sit in front of a monitor at a desk when I come home.
Plus I feel it separates me from my family and couch-time.
- Exclusive games
- This one has to be mentioned, but it's probably the worst reason for a video game console to exist. Exclusive games add value to a platform only because they are kept off of others. It's not a real value add, but keeping value off other platforms.
The constantly floating idea that "why do consoles exist if we have gaming PCs" is a pretty dumb and ignorant.
The average consumer (which is basically everyone who doesn't post here, 99.9% of the population) wants to buy something to connect to their tv and play. That's it.