pyrocro
Member
How is Alex a Liability? (I really don't expect you to answer with anything sensible but let's see what happens, surprise us) .
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Shmunter
Member
No, that's fine I can address that. On the side he expresses obvious tech ignorance in his comments and opinions. He is either that ignorant -or- clouded by bias like a run off the mill fanboy.
No issues for a regular forum goer, but for someone that presents tech as a professional in what is supposed to be an objectIve presentation, it is a liability.
I won't be rehashing a list of stuff said, it's not worth it. Others more than welcome.
In all fairness his presentations are valid and polished, but he will come to a crossroad with the advent of this gen. He needs to consider it carefully, it will be either sink or swim. I hope it's swim.
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Shmunter
Member
In the same way if you found out your beloved nanna that took loving care of you drowned puppies on the side for a hobby
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Just found out he is that Dictator guy from reetard era.
Wasn't he exposed already for his biased posts and mingling with the ever pathetic Xbox Discord group?
I'd say he should be the first one to go if DF want to bring back neutrality to their platform.
pyrocro
Member
I'm sorry but the bolded part is horse shit, show your evidence, you're practically doing the same thing you accusing him of.
Surely with your great technical insight, you can point out a few of these cases showing he is a liability or why the hell would you say such a daft thing.
Shmunter
Member
Yeah, that's the guy
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
You're LTTP, my dude.
Next-Gen thread exposed him big time over the past few months. Try searching over there instead, can't blame
Shmunter
for not bothering to repost all those images.
Shmunter
Member
You know, the worst things bout forums is the never ending cycle of repetition. I'm going to break that cycle in this particular case. Take it or leave it. Seek out the info if you wish, or not.
Pizdetz
Banned
I think compared to most gaming journalists, these guys can actually give you pretty good details about how well a game runs technically, and what the technology involved is. You don't need to be an engineer/developer to understand this stuff and comment about it. In general their videos are well made.
Second, DF is more relevant than ever because the average gamer can't tell if something is running at 1440P, 4K, 1080P upscaled, etc. This is the sad state of affairs, we need a third party to help us console/PC war with each other because the differences have become so marginal we need someone to show us a zoomed in 10x image of aliasing so then we can go online and bitch about it haha...
Second, DF is more relevant than ever because the average gamer can't tell if something is running at 1440P, 4K, 1080P upscaled, etc. This is the sad state of affairs, we need a third party to help us console/PC war with each other because the differences have become so marginal we need someone to show us a zoomed in 10x image of aliasing so then we can go online and bitch about it haha...
pyrocro
Member
edit: just to be clear here all I'm asking for is proof, why would he have to repost images, just post the link.You're LTTP, my dude.
Next-Gen thread exposed him big time over the past few months. Try searching over there instead, can't blame
The burden of proof is on you guys, I don't think what you guys are saying EXIST. but you guys think it does.
the simple solution is to link to it.
This is such a shame you guys want to say whatever nonsense that comes to your mind and not held accountable for it.
such a strange stance to take.
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eastwood333
Banned
Sony fanboys
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
The proof has already been presented and validated. The burden of effort is on you to find that shit through 100's of pages of juicy exposès on little Dicktator boy.
We don't care if you want to have the last word or not.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Shmunter
Member
Hehe. The knowledgeable part is also true, but in a narrow sense. Stuff he covers in regards to GPU rendering is very good. Anything outside of that, not so good.
Which is fine, it's the pretence from a sense of authority that has been the issue as posted on reera. Noticeable when bullishit articles started to be generated from stuff said. But he'll catch on if not already, everything will be fine.
pyrocro
Member
what thread, what topic, see the problem here with trying to be cool and mysterious.
Just link the thread and or article of the dam proof, lets see how it correlates what is being said here.
why is this so difficult?
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Stop wasting our time and do your own due diligence. We are not obligated to fill you in on months of exposès.
pyrocro
Member
What none sense are you talking about, you the ones who mentioned some vague incident you yourself can articulate.
How the fuck will I find it then, zero info, no topic, nothing but "trust me I saw it".
I agree this is dumb it's so big but you can't remember what it was and for that DF is bad.
the nerve of you guys.
what you want me to search for ALEX, jeeez,
easy fix at least post the topic.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Do you want me and
Shmunter
to tuck you in bed and read you bed time stories about how Dictator/Alex showed his true colours as a biased journalist over the past few months?
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Shmunter
Member
Look, you're clearly a fan of the guy. Just ignore it, it's water under the bridge, why try to ruin it for yourself? I made a passing reference to him assuming prior knowledge by readers. If you're not aware, forget it.
As I said, he's likely learnt from it and it's no longer relevant anyway. Otherwise it will be posted no doubt. Let's put it to bed.
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pyrocro
Member
what?
dude if you have evidence he is bais just present it, I don't really care about the other weird fantasies in your head, just want the facts.
this is the easy part for you, just present it, so I may be as knowledgeable as you guys.
is that asking too much?
Evangelion Unit-01
Master Chief
I love watching DF. It is a great "under the hood view" into games. I like seeing the differences between each console and understanding the choices the developer made to get games optimized for each. I was ok when PS4 games were the better performing titles and I am ok now that One X has taken the lead. I just find it interesting to see how each version performs. I own all three consoles so their reviews help me decide which version of the game to get. I also really enjoy the retro content. One of the best channels on YouTube.
The Alien
Banned
I enjoy their videos. I find their analysis interesting and generally pretty well balanced. However, I never view them as the 'end all, be all' website for gaming tech. But they calmly speak about tech in well produced, clean videos without any newd for zany antics.
I know there's a group who think DF shill for Microsoft. They're the same who waited with baited breath for the 1080p vs. 900p videos every week at the start of the gen. I find their praise to be equal to Sony & Microsoft if u take the time to watch those videos.
I know there's a group who think DF shill for Microsoft. They're the same who waited with baited breath for the 1080p vs. 900p videos every week at the start of the gen. I find their praise to be equal to Sony & Microsoft if u take the time to watch those videos.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Not cool. This isn't how you back up accusations with evidence.
YCoCg
Member
I gotta admit, I'm with that other guy here, you and MiyazakiHatesKojima have been going back on forth on this apparent mountain of evidence you have against Alex but you both can't produce a single link? I'm actually interested in what was said and found, come on guys, show the goods.
pyrocro
Member
Like I thought
This Alex expose It SO BIG, you forget what it is,
with such definitive proof, you can't say.
you rather write a whole page than just post a link, this is so telling.
I'm really asking and you guys offer no information. What to search for?
it's ok you guys can stop tap dancing now, we can all see what this is about.
Shmunter
Member
The way he replied to me, I was justified in my response.
Shmunter
Member
You're right, there's nothing to see. Tap dance over.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
I'm sure he didn't mean it maliciously, but can you blame the guy for getting on his nerves?
The evidence has already been presented on NeoGAF and even some of it on this very thread. The dude's obviously taking the mickey out of us by probing for evidence that exists on GAF.
YCoCg
Member
Ok, well I'm curious now, can you link me up to this juicy gossip?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Disagree. You should have presented evidence to your accusation that is how third parties can judge whether or not it's true.
Backtracking and insulting those who politely ask for receipts only hurts your case.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
It's on the front page buried deep inside 100,000+ posts in a single thread.
Good luck finding that now, sucks you guys weren't in on it when it first got posted on GAF.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Not everyone reads every thread on GAF. It's a reasonable request.
pyrocro
Member
again more claims and ZERO links to this evidence.
I better play nice our you guys would not be my friends. oh oh.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
He clearly wasn't asking politely, but rather arrogantly as if we were lying to him.
YCoCg
Member
I mean I'm not going to bother doing that on the thin claims of some other poster being obtuse, if any cool posters out there out know the details feel free to let me know, if not, also cool.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
Stop acting childish and start by reading this thread from the beginning like you should've done since some members have already talked about Dictator's posts and pointed out his biases.
Then go to the Next-Gen thread and search through there. This thread was intended for those who are already "in the know".
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
A request that no one is obligated to respond to when the person requesting it can find it himself on the forum that's he's asking the evidence for.
Sorry to say, but that dude was and is clearly taking the mickey out of us. This will be my last post regarding this silly matter.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
You PlayStation guys really have a victim complex. There is no secret organization trying to subvert your precious piece of plastic. Everyone has bias to some extent and in no way invalidates the content DF offer. Point out where their facts are wrong, that's fair, but stop acting like there's some Xbox Illuminati. It's fucking sad.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
You can't be serious right now? Are you going to actually deny the existence of the infamous and utterly pathetic Xbox Discord Group? Are you going to deny the amount of discord chat leaks and screenshots and whistleblowers and posts and banned members with multiple alts?
As far as DF goes, they have been infiltrated with something known as bias and for a journalist like DF, that shit will destroy a significant part of their credibility when it comes to reporting objective analysis.
Little Chicken
Banned
Oh dear.
So... does Alex have an Onlyfans yet?
So... does Alex have an Onlyfans yet?
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I'm not denying the Discord group, but their influence has definitely been overblown. My point is that if there is actual bias in the facts they deliver, as in they are hiding or manipulating information in a manner that favors one console, I just don't see it. The Boogeyman may just be living in your heads.
thelastword
Banned
I always tell people, tech channels are about a standard and consistency, you can't measure different games with different sticks based on who the developer is. What's good for the goose is good for the gander....
There's no need to go into specifics on various forms of bias in DF's videos over the years, mistakes made that favor XBOX are pretty consistent, for example, saying the grass was better in Grid on XBOX, when anybody watching saw that was not so, or saying SSAO on XBOX One was better than HBAO on PS4. Or the time in the PS3 days when the PS3 version which looked better than 360 was flipped over and represented as 360 screens.
In truth, no one wants DF to go under, people want DF to do better, cut out the bias and the obvious "mistakes", stop pandering to console wars for hits. Go deeper into the technicals, have a keener eye for details.....TBH, if I just want hard stats, there is no better source right now than VGtech, their data is more accurate and covers a larger sample of gameplay. DF interjects opinion most times rather than facts into the discussion and as have been said before, even misinterprets the objective data you can clearly see on the screen when they talk. Was it a mistake that a DF staff member did not know that Sea of Thieves was 900p on XBONES, too many of these mistakes are XBOX favored. Including apologetic analyses when they are dealing with weaker hardware in XBONES and Switch.
So we went from "games are a world away on 360 at +40P", to 900p vs 1080p is negligible this gen. We went from "does resolution really matter" articles to when XBONEX arrived, they proceeded to "Full Phat 4K gloating", we didn't get FULL HD gloating on PS4 in 2013 did we, all we got was an article on if resolution really matters. We went from the smoother FPS in Witcher 3 or AC unity on XBONES being the holy grail to countless games on PS4-PRO having higher framerates over XBONEX, less tearing as being called about par, or where they favored the XBOX versions with worse framerate on account of a higher resolution, but if an XBONES game has a 1 FPS frame advantage over PS4, even with lower rez in 2013 it was a conclusive win for XBONES, it would be repeated ad infinitum as a definitive and smoother way to play throughout the article. FYI, DF agreed heavily with Phil when he said "framerate is king" early on in the parite era, when XBOX had a few titles that had a better framerate. Then for the majority of titles where PS4 led on resolution+framerate+effects. It was all about "it looks good on all consoles, the experience is the same", basically apologetic analyses.....
Thing is, you don't go from being a 60fps junkie to being so apologetic for a platform that you tell me "Ryse was smooth and it never fell into the teens" when your own video showed otherwise. Tom Morgan had a aneurysm when a bloater fight fell to 50fps in TLOUR, but he is fine with XBONEX games with lower than low settings still falling below 30fps with tearing, you see, consistency in how you judge these titles is what matters......If DF always favored resolution, I'd be fine, if they always favored framerate I'd be fine, if resolution+effects+better framerates was always a world away and not negligible differences I'd be fine, but clearly that isn't so.
So it will be interesting what type of faceoffs we get next gen, personally I think DF had more formidable competition last gen in Lens of Truth. Not taking anything from NXgamer and Vgtech as I find their work superior, but lens of truth had much more of a presence against DF beyond the better analysis. NX and Vg does better work, but their presence/reach is not as good as Lens....Yet it cannot be understated the good work they are doing. Just look at how accurate, consistent and expanded Vgtech's pixel counting and frame data is. Also look at the last analysis done by both DF and NXgamer on LOU2. Whilst Leadbetter and company spent time taking digs at Vita, or saying LOU2's IQ is not as good without any comparison or reference points in that video. NX gave us a screen by screen breakdown of the improvements on LOU2's first trailer vs the final game, which is a marked improvement. These are the ATD details that you want in an analysis. People see what you are saying, without uttering things which nobody can corroborate "through visual form" in your video, less time on useless jokes on Vita or PS3's version of Bayonetta and more visual cues that explains what you are saying about the game in question. You watch these videos back to back and clearly, you will learn so much more from NX's video. These are the little things that needs to be improved, but more so the blatant bias and lack of a specific and consistent measuring stick for all faceoffs....
There's no need to go into specifics on various forms of bias in DF's videos over the years, mistakes made that favor XBOX are pretty consistent, for example, saying the grass was better in Grid on XBOX, when anybody watching saw that was not so, or saying SSAO on XBOX One was better than HBAO on PS4. Or the time in the PS3 days when the PS3 version which looked better than 360 was flipped over and represented as 360 screens.
In truth, no one wants DF to go under, people want DF to do better, cut out the bias and the obvious "mistakes", stop pandering to console wars for hits. Go deeper into the technicals, have a keener eye for details.....TBH, if I just want hard stats, there is no better source right now than VGtech, their data is more accurate and covers a larger sample of gameplay. DF interjects opinion most times rather than facts into the discussion and as have been said before, even misinterprets the objective data you can clearly see on the screen when they talk. Was it a mistake that a DF staff member did not know that Sea of Thieves was 900p on XBONES, too many of these mistakes are XBOX favored. Including apologetic analyses when they are dealing with weaker hardware in XBONES and Switch.
So we went from "games are a world away on 360 at +40P", to 900p vs 1080p is negligible this gen. We went from "does resolution really matter" articles to when XBONEX arrived, they proceeded to "Full Phat 4K gloating", we didn't get FULL HD gloating on PS4 in 2013 did we, all we got was an article on if resolution really matters. We went from the smoother FPS in Witcher 3 or AC unity on XBONES being the holy grail to countless games on PS4-PRO having higher framerates over XBONEX, less tearing as being called about par, or where they favored the XBOX versions with worse framerate on account of a higher resolution, but if an XBONES game has a 1 FPS frame advantage over PS4, even with lower rez in 2013 it was a conclusive win for XBONES, it would be repeated ad infinitum as a definitive and smoother way to play throughout the article. FYI, DF agreed heavily with Phil when he said "framerate is king" early on in the parite era, when XBOX had a few titles that had a better framerate. Then for the majority of titles where PS4 led on resolution+framerate+effects. It was all about "it looks good on all consoles, the experience is the same", basically apologetic analyses.....
Thing is, you don't go from being a 60fps junkie to being so apologetic for a platform that you tell me "Ryse was smooth and it never fell into the teens" when your own video showed otherwise. Tom Morgan had a aneurysm when a bloater fight fell to 50fps in TLOUR, but he is fine with XBONEX games with lower than low settings still falling below 30fps with tearing, you see, consistency in how you judge these titles is what matters......If DF always favored resolution, I'd be fine, if they always favored framerate I'd be fine, if resolution+effects+better framerates was always a world away and not negligible differences I'd be fine, but clearly that isn't so.
So it will be interesting what type of faceoffs we get next gen, personally I think DF had more formidable competition last gen in Lens of Truth. Not taking anything from NXgamer and Vgtech as I find their work superior, but lens of truth had much more of a presence against DF beyond the better analysis. NX and Vg does better work, but their presence/reach is not as good as Lens....Yet it cannot be understated the good work they are doing. Just look at how accurate, consistent and expanded Vgtech's pixel counting and frame data is. Also look at the last analysis done by both DF and NXgamer on LOU2. Whilst Leadbetter and company spent time taking digs at Vita, or saying LOU2's IQ is not as good without any comparison or reference points in that video. NX gave us a screen by screen breakdown of the improvements on LOU2's first trailer vs the final game, which is a marked improvement. These are the ATD details that you want in an analysis. People see what you are saying, without uttering things which nobody can corroborate "through visual form" in your video, less time on useless jokes on Vita or PS3's version of Bayonetta and more visual cues that explains what you are saying about the game in question. You watch these videos back to back and clearly, you will learn so much more from NX's video. These are the little things that needs to be improved, but more so the blatant bias and lack of a specific and consistent measuring stick for all faceoffs....
dont get why all the hate, they make youtube videos about game performance. Nothing they say is law and they never pretend like it is, it's just their opinion.
Although I do want to state I think that one guy Battalia or whatever talks like a twat. Not sure if intentional or not, something about the way he speaks just pisses me off. Especially the way he pronounces wolfenstein. Like yeah I understand it's German and you're trying to be accurate but even the game devs themselves don't pronounce the game WOLFENSHHHHTEYN. god.
/rant
Although I do want to state I think that one guy Battalia or whatever talks like a twat. Not sure if intentional or not, something about the way he speaks just pisses me off. Especially the way he pronounces wolfenstein. Like yeah I understand it's German and you're trying to be accurate but even the game devs themselves don't pronounce the game WOLFENSHHHHTEYN. god.
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Frito_Pendejo
Member
Dude get the fuck outta here with this shit. You've been in every thread console warring it up and what DF does bugs you? My fucking lord some of you guys are out of touch with reality. And before your posse of
Gamernyc78
and
ethomaz
show up the lot of you have ruined threads that people who don't pick a side simply can no longer enjoy once your bullshit starts. Anyway, they seem like good dudes but I'm sure they have their biases just like anyone else. I do enjoy some of their videos and others make me roll my eyes. It's all in perception but you can't say they don't do some pretty cool shit.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
I'm definitely going to check out Lens of Truth, VGTech, and
NXGamer
's analysis starting with The Last of Us Part II's release alongside DF if they bring back neutrality in their analysis.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I really like DF's retro videos and wish they made a LOT more of them. Like their 32X video where they talked about what piece of hardware is doing what - fantastic stuff.
However, for new games, I find it pretty tedious, the comparisons this entire gen come down to one sentence - the Xbox One and PS4 do the same things, but the PS4 does it at a higher resolution. That's about it. The clickbait videos like "This game sets a NEW STANDARD" or whatever, I don't even watch. The thing they wrote about Gears 5 on XSX, was kind of hilarious, because in reality, you can only see the difference when the video is slowed down to 1fps and zoomed in on a shadow outline. This is not a material difference, but they made it out to be a huge deal.
However, for new games, I find it pretty tedious, the comparisons this entire gen come down to one sentence - the Xbox One and PS4 do the same things, but the PS4 does it at a higher resolution. That's about it. The clickbait videos like "This game sets a NEW STANDARD" or whatever, I don't even watch. The thing they wrote about Gears 5 on XSX, was kind of hilarious, because in reality, you can only see the difference when the video is slowed down to 1fps and zoomed in on a shadow outline. This is not a material difference, but they made it out to be a huge deal.