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Why does Microsoft not just end this generation earlier than planned?
- Thread starter Tak3n
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Valid points. I failed to mention these things, and XB1 faults, simply for the sake of brevity.
EDIT: I don't feel that weaker performing multi-plats have a lot to do with it.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
The only console maker that flooded the market with new game hardware I know was Sega. I mean, people bought the 32 X, only to be coaxed into buying the Sega CD, only to be pushed into buying the Sega Saturn, then the Dreamcast, all that in the course of a 8 year cycle.
I still think the main reason why Sega failed was because the guys there did not realize that if you constantly push for new hardware, then support it with the bare minimum amount of games and then jump right into the next hot piece of hardware, people are no longer willing to spend on your hardware. After all, nobody wants to buy a 500 bucks console, only to realize one or two years later that it is getting abandoned in favor of yet another 500 Bucks console.
Buying an expensive console requires trust in the company and in a cycle that will allow you to get your money's worth. Nobody pays 500 bucks for hardware that will be abandoned a year later, which is precisely why console cycles last 8-10 years. That way, people feel confident in investing in a console knowing it will give them many years of gaming.
If Microsoft or even Nintendo were to pull the plug on their respective consoles early, that trust would be broken, and as such, I doubt the existing fanbase would want to jump right in on the slightly improved hardware. Better for them to bite to bullet, struggle for a few years, then bring the new gen earlier.
I still think the main reason why Sega failed was because the guys there did not realize that if you constantly push for new hardware, then support it with the bare minimum amount of games and then jump right into the next hot piece of hardware, people are no longer willing to spend on your hardware. After all, nobody wants to buy a 500 bucks console, only to realize one or two years later that it is getting abandoned in favor of yet another 500 Bucks console.
Buying an expensive console requires trust in the company and in a cycle that will allow you to get your money's worth. Nobody pays 500 bucks for hardware that will be abandoned a year later, which is precisely why console cycles last 8-10 years. That way, people feel confident in investing in a console knowing it will give them many years of gaming.
If Microsoft or even Nintendo were to pull the plug on their respective consoles early, that trust would be broken, and as such, I doubt the existing fanbase would want to jump right in on the slightly improved hardware. Better for them to bite to bullet, struggle for a few years, then bring the new gen earlier.
you got burned, just drop and roll the facts are too hot for ya.
Doesnt matter, bring back the BC aspect and have xbox one still in there, many were buying PS2 games still with their New PS3 consoles, having it even better looking upscaled and all that.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
MS is not in a bad enough position to do anything this ridiculous.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Man, reading this board could make you believe the Xbox One is hanging out with the Wii U, Vita and Dreamcast in failure-land. I have no plans of buying an Xbox One until Phantom Dust, but jesus. The FUD has crept into literally every topic, spawns a 200+ discussion thread every week, and often makes me wonder about what the hell is going on through many posters' minds.
JimJamJones
Member
Where are people getting this number from? It surely must be a lot bigger than that by now.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Man, the arguments about this last year were really something else.
ReBurn
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CassidyIzABeast
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The only way this thread makes sense is if its a parody of a thread that said the same thing about PS3 from way back in the day.
how many months has Xbox one won in NPDs since Nov 2013?....
Face it man MS doesnt want that, nobody in a business wants to be selling less and seeing a gap growing. If MS wins a month people shouldnt go wild, the sales gap in the US is what matters.
AndrewDean84xX
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This is it. Only the fanboys care about who wins. The companies care more about the money. If MS thought they couldn't make money with the XBO, then they would stop selling I immediately.
The company I work for is possibly the #2 or #3 in it's niche industry. Just because we aren't #1 doesn't mean we aren't pulling hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions in profits every year.
SpartanN92
Banned
OP seems to have taken the "If you're not first, you're last!" business model.
Mohonky
Member
Some of you just dont get it? You just cant see past 'console warriors' and 'my favourite console sold more than yours' mentality.
Its already been pointed out in the thread, investors and accountants arent looking at us vs them numbers, they are looking at the bottom line.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Only to console warriors.
MightyHedgehog
Member
Seriously. My favorite platforms are second and distant third place consoles and computers. If anything, the things done in the process of competing against the dominant positions has produced some of the very best software and best values in video game history. Nothing wrong with not being first, unless you're some kind of dipshit fanboy, I guess.
autoduelist
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I think it stems from conflating US vs. world sales.
Windom Earle
Banned
Looking at Microsoft's initial goals of taking over the living room and making the Bone an entertainment lifestyle product... They did fail spectacularly. Now they are busy playing catch up with Sony and far from reaching any new audiences. Just my subjective analysis of course but I doubt MS is satisfied with the Xbox division.
FairXchange
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I think MS should commit to this generation to show goodwill not end it early. They still have a powerful console (relative to last gen, not pc of course). They have the online infrastructure and the business relationships to keep great games coming to their platform. So no, they don't need to bail and piss customers like me off, they need to dig in and keep doing what they're doing.
Whats this ridiculous statement?
these "fanboys" you speak of are whats
keeping these business going,
who you think were there day 1 paying $550+ games etc for Xbox one? Or $650+games for ps3 it wasnt casual charlie.
These companies love fanboys support, they know first week software/hardware sales are from the main fiends they catter to them at all times, they spread the word to the others to get into certain games to, games casual charlie would never realize exists.
Especially in a market with significant network effects. If Microsoft could get Windows apps working in a big way on the bone, they might be able to get network effects working in their favor across phone, desktop/laptop, and console, but otherwise..
But what about places were it is actually failing? Everywhere out side US and UK?
Pathfinder
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Speak for yourself. I bought a Xbox One on day 1, and a PS4 a few months after, and I certainly don't consider myself a fanboy of either. I consider myself a gamer who likes new tech.
The Abominable Snowman
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As an entertainment device and a set top box, I'd bet it's still selling much better than the majority of Roku-class devices that are 1/4th the price or less. Living room set top boxes encapsulate more than just consoles. Hell, by my measurement it's selling better than the Apple TV, which most people would mark as a success.
I do wish MS did a lot differently, and I'll have to see how this Windows 10 integration goes, but it seems like most forum posters here are focused on painting it to look like something it's not. They're taking marketing bravado at face value and now that the game has been played, they're ignoring all realistic goals and forecasts and going back to "Well Microsoft PR said they wanted to take over the living rooms of America. America has 112M households and MS only sold 3.5M XBox Ones so its a massive failure! MS Can't be happy!"
Like, of course PR mouths are going to spout that their console is going to kick ass and chew bubblegum. It's how they try to build confidence and WoM. Only difference is it's cute or "Shots fired!!!! PWN" when Sony does it.
MaschinenZimmer
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Krappadizzle
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To provide years of enjoyment and fun for little boys and girls?
Omnipunctual Godot
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On topic, if Microsoft were to cut this generation short in order to put out a future console faster, it would probably make many of those who bought the current console less confident to rush out with their wallets open for the next iteration.
I think this might fragment the market (some games later down the line may not be able to perform on the lower-tier hardware), and it would likely undercut the developer advantage of being able to focus on optimizations for a fixed platform.
I said it earlier in the thread.. Next console Gen release the Xbox# with a nice powerful processor and a gpu that can be swapped out like the HDs were for the 360, then /mid cycle offer a gpu upgrade for $100-150 and boom there you go.. You then have an instant refresh on a system.
Thoughts on that?
Thoughts on that?
I am saying a casual charlie would never pay
$800 dollars on day 1 on games/console, these gaming companies have a pure fanbase that will spark up their product sales instantly if they release it, you know who that fanbase is.
Same with Apple man, you know casual charlie didnt get the $700 Iphone 6S
he might still be rockin a unlocked Iphone 4 with Tmobile for a while.
As for you, you said it youre a new Tech fanboy, you probably want a $2,500 4K Curve tv and all that casual charlie rockin that 32 inch toshibA for $250.
Pathfinder
Member
Who is this Casual Charlie you speak of, and how do you know so much about his or her spending habits?
Zombie James
Banned
The Xbox 360 was announced when the original Xbox was just three and a half years old.
Devilgunman
Member
This thread is ridiculous. Since when is business all about being number 1? There is gonna be only 1 leader in competition but that doesn't mean the rest of the competition should quite. It's all about making money and market share. Xbone is still making money that's why MS still support it. It's like saying Dr.Pepper and MtnDew should quite the market because they can't catch up with Coke.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
This would work if they patched out all of the capability of the Xbox one to play games, had it only be used as an entertainment console thing, then released an updated version that can still run the Xbox one games.
Pathfinder
Member
Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head.
The ones that are in the masses and impact the gen after 3 or 4 years, they aint playing xbox nor ps4 right now.
Its all about numero uno, not sure what planet youre from but realize the fact...all bronze medal winners shot for Gold they didnt start going for Bronze.
That1BlackGuy
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That would be a bad idea. Microsoft caught a lot of flak for doing that with the OG Xbox and the market generally doesn't respond well with quick turnover consoles, that doesn't even begin to mention the wasted R&D costs. They should worry less about "winning" (do they even care as much as their fans?) and focus more on profitability.
If you apply this question in the recent term, then this'd be a good question to ask. I'd assume that currently, some folks at Microsoft view the Xbox brand as some money sink sideshow and that they should focus on what does bring in the big bucks. I'd miss the Xbox brand if they discontinued it beyond the XONE in the traditional sense, but I wouldn't be surprised nor blamed them if they did. Being a traditional console maker just isn't a hot commodity in this current era.
If you apply this question in the recent term, then this'd be a good question to ask. I'd assume that currently, some folks at Microsoft view the Xbox brand as some money sink sideshow and that they should focus on what does bring in the big bucks. I'd miss the Xbox brand if they discontinued it beyond the XONE in the traditional sense, but I wouldn't be surprised nor blamed them if they did. Being a traditional console maker just isn't a hot commodity in this current era.
I would be perfectly happy with a 5 year cycle, but not because Microsoft isn't doing as well as they could be.
Rather it's because cycles longer than that are much too long and fucking suck. 8 years of the same hardware is RIDICULOUS. The RAM situation alone in the PS3 & X360 held back game design in horrible ways forever and stunted the growth of engines and tools. We need much faster hardware refreshes for technological growth.
Rather it's because cycles longer than that are much too long and fucking suck. 8 years of the same hardware is RIDICULOUS. The RAM situation alone in the PS3 & X360 held back game design in horrible ways forever and stunted the growth of engines and tools. We need much faster hardware refreshes for technological growth.
Ol No Bones
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We all know that this thread is only a distraction from the truth that Nintendo is doomed.
The same reason as any other business?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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perfectsil
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What's wrong with being #2 in a billion dollar market ?