Horse Armour
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240p will never look good no matter the screen you use to view it.
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Why does Monster Hunter 4 have to look like shit?
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jimmypython
Member
Japanese people don't care, because it is MONSTER HUNTER!!!
So why should CAPCOM care as long as they are making money~~~
So why should CAPCOM care as long as they are making money~~~
CamHostage
Member
Looks like they made the grave mistake of over-texturing. People complain about crappy ground textures in screenshots because they cannot get the scale of detail in a picture, but the more information you add to a picture, the more it draws your eyes or highlights aspects of the image that are not up to that resolution. The texturing and gaudy colors that we're seeing just clash constantly from the imagery we're seeing.
That being said, the 3DS screen is its own beast and trailers on the actual 3DS are more complementary of the game. The shadowing and effects work is also a significant step up from the PSP and stands on its own. It would have been awesome if MH4 was as visually platform-defining as Capcom's own Resident Evil Revelations (looks like nobody else is going to reach for that brass ring on this platform, how sad...) but I feel fairly confident saying that once the full game releases people will be mostly happy with how it looks.
That being said, the 3DS screen is its own beast and trailers on the actual 3DS are more complementary of the game. The shadowing and effects work is also a significant step up from the PSP and stands on its own. It would have been awesome if MH4 was as visually platform-defining as Capcom's own Resident Evil Revelations (looks like nobody else is going to reach for that brass ring on this platform, how sad...) but I feel fairly confident saying that once the full game releases people will be mostly happy with how it looks.
AgentOtaku
Member
I don't think it's a talent issue
It's a, "Hey guys, do your best... But remember our budget, okay?"
In Japan, the money is in handhelds, and thats where MH core market is, not here. IPeople who are sick of "handheld" MH games need to wake up and smell the roses. The console MHs are the aberration, not the handheld ones. Once you establish the game is for the Eastern handheld market, the choice is only 3ds vs Vita vs both. They gain more being Nintendo exclusive. Thats really the entirety of the story.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
And upon reflection, the only thing I'd really care about improving in MH currently is Capcom patching the Wii U version to deal with the horribly rushed porting quality - specifically the framerate. There's no reason for that thing to not run at 60fps locked. Or at least cap it at 30fps to eliminate the terrible frame judder it currently suffers from.
Now that looks bad; I'd almost rather play it on the 3DS where the framerate is much smoother.
Now that looks bad; I'd almost rather play it on the 3DS where the framerate is much smoother.
well that won't happen, because
a) mh players don't care for hd assets
b) if they do care, they will vote with their money
c) capcom knows this so they don't care either, what do they care about you ask? well adding gameplay mechanics for one which is what's more important in a game like this
d) vitabros already have Soul Sacrifice, which imo looks so good on dat oled.
e) capcom does care for money
ExigentContact
Member
I can't really think of one really good looking western game on 3DS hardware apart from Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon, which had heavy Japanese supervision.
The biggest factor is probably having lower budgets, closely followed by worse middleware. Their engines have been catching up with stuff like MT Framework, Fox, Crystal Tools, and Phanta Ray, but many studios are still either using not-very-updated versions of old in-house engines or trying multiplatform engines like Phyre or Unreal and having a tough time.
The ground textures in the PSP and PS2 games aren't nearly as off-putting as the fluorescent, tie-dye smears that pass as ground textures in MH4. The old games were above average; the new game looks ugly.
I'm almost sure that if it were strictly a 2D game, it wouldn't have to be so ugly.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
But you understand it looks better on a smaller screen than blown up on a big one...?
MikeE21286
Member
They've been making PS2 games for what, 8 years now.
Milk that cow dry lol
Milk that cow dry lol
Snapshot King
Member
Honestly a lot of these problems are mitigated by a WiiU port, really anything that just ups the resolution. The texture work I can deal with, but the blurry mess is just horrible. Doesn't help that 3ds Monster Hunter hurts my hands something fierce, but that's beside the point.
That cow is bone dry.
AgentOtaku
Member
I mentioned before in another thread, that I wonder if the game natively rendered at 720p instead, we'd get 60fps?
The game doesn't need to be 1080p and it's merely a press bullet-point. It doesn't help the visuals really at all and really only makes them worse because the framerate is all over the place.
Because "trying" in this case is essentially equivalent to "dumping more money into asset creation". It's a stupid thing to do unless you actually need to do it. Considering the ratio of Japanese dev studios to American/European dev studios that have been shuttered in the last five years for financial reasons, I'd say they've generally got the right idea about this.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Probably this.
Horse Armour
Member
Of course but looking slightly less atrocious doesn't mean much.
AgentOtaku
Member
AgentOtaku
Member
expect a solid 30, or maybe even 45 like Tri G with 3D off.
SuperEpicGuy
Banned
Wow, you could have said it came out for the ps1 and I would have believed you.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Yes it does. Honestly I wonder if you've even played a 3DS recently.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Those ground textures are almost as bad as Soul Sacrifice ones.
You nailed it there... increasing the budget and targeting a more powerful platform would be a lot of risk for little reward. I think this time it was in Capcom's best interests to back the 3DS instead of splitting up the shrinking game-dedicated portable market.
Capcom is probably getting $$$ from Nintendo as well to boot.
Matt2thefuture
Member
It is past time to make a HD next gen Monster Hunter. Get on it Capcom. PS4.
JordanN
Banned
It's called Dragon's Dogma, and Capcom seems happy enough with its performance that they're continuing the series.
Portable MH is still faster, easier, cheaper, and safer to make, so they're probably going to keep it that way.
KillerTravis
Banned
Monster Hunter 3U looks amazing on the 3DS. I bet MH4 will look even better.
.Ryozo Tsujimoto said:No
But would you like to buy some Brachydios sunglasses instead?
And I actually thought those screenshots looked rather nice.
electroplankton
Banned
Sad? It's nice, instead. It shows that there are still people (a lot of people) that do not care about graphics and they are not pushing the industry into unsustainable budgets, layoffs, and crazy sales projections.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Wut. 2D trees and dat ground texture.
MikeE21286
Member
I wish, but the millions who buy it disagree :lol
PaulExcellent
Member
Huh? Can you tell me about it?
I don't think I'm that far, but I don't much care for spoilers.
JordanN
Banned
I'm not even sure how that's a thing. If you play a video game, you are caring about graphics (unless you can play with your eyes closed XD).
And yes, better graphics always means unsustainable budgets. The industry should go back to 8-bit graphics.
1. Create a smash hit franchise
2. Release hella sequels using budget assets
3.
Ding.
It's this basic principle that has worked so well for a number of Capcom's other franchises, after all.
Today's MonHun fans are last decade's Rockman fans.
electroplankton
Banned
Also, I don't understand why people are desperate in asking a MH on HD home console. When it was released on PS2, it did bomb in the West, and the most popular entries are from PSP.
So once the cash flow trickles down they'll be all but forgotten? Friggin Cacpcom.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I think it looks great!
KillerTravis
Banned
I think the point is that the OP wants it on Vita lol. When DQ IX was announced for DS were there these many people crying about it?