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Why does the PS3 and 360 output similar graphics?
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flintstryker
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I don't see it.Nafai1123 said:
saladine1 said:
Well if you can remember Sony said the same things about the PS2. They even promised procedurally generated worlds (with infinite gameplay possibilities) and lifelike characters with realistic emotions for the PS2. I actually think the PS2 was way more hyped than the PS3.
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Nafai1123 said:
No doubt it, multi-platform almost purely 360. Exclusives eh about the same give or take. Agree in total. I know right.
Nafai1123 said:
Actually no that is here and now and most likely for the remainder of this gen.
WinFonda said:
Proof is in the pudding no about it exactly why Gears 2 one the graphics tech award at E3 08 by IGN.
CrunchinJelly
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Crysis uses voxels.Honolulu said:
Warm Machine
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This is one of those threads where "lazy developers" can be thrown around as a defense to anything.
The systems are essentially equal and the only way we can quantify visual power is between cross platform games. Other comparisons are just apples to oranges.
The systems are essentially equal and the only way we can quantify visual power is between cross platform games. Other comparisons are just apples to oranges.
It's my opinion that PS3 is a more powerful machine. If for the sake of argument we said everything else in the machines was equal, PS3 still has the blu-ray drive and standard HDD. Which would give it an ever slight advantage in some areas.
Of course, I think the ultimate proof is in the pudding. Killzone 2 just about bloody murders everything on the 360. Of course, it does the same for PS3 games as well.
Of course, I think the ultimate proof is in the pudding. Killzone 2 just about bloody murders everything on the 360. Of course, it does the same for PS3 games as well.
Psychotext
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You obviously haven't been keeping up with the comparisons. It's far less of an issue now though.Nafai1123 said:
Warm Machine said:
I don't agree. Had these said multi games performed better than exclusives, I would have conceeded the point, but they are, as of now, lagging far behind (especially in the case of the PS3). I think that the reference to the PS2 vs Xbox era aren't suitable, simply because despite the former having some impressive raw power, it still lacks basic traditional GPU functions. What madfe the difference is what's been banalized since then, AA and higher rez mostly. If you want a game to distinguish itself on today's console, you have to design it with the architecture in mind. You simply can not port and hope for the best.
Regulus Tera
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Baryn said:
Wii version doesn't have blur!
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This is something i can get behind.Zeliard said:
also: Why is it that it is a rare occurrence for Uncharted screens and Crysis screens to show up in the same thread?
Do these guys avoid each other or something? A clash of Crysis vs Uncharted would bring the lulz, and hopefully put some people in their place in the process :lol
OldJadedGamer
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WinFonda said:
If the proof is in the pudding, why don't we wait until the pudding is done cooking before we start comparing it? I've never understood when people use an unreleased game as an example in a situation like this.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Another vintage-GAF thread. :lol
JimiNutz
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Around and around we go, back and forth, up and down, WEEEEEEEEEEE :lol
The fact that we can even have these threads and argue for ages just goes to show you that the differences are negligible.
We couldn't have done this last gen there was no debate Xbox was more powerful period.
This gen the fact that we can even debate which one has better graphics just shows that the differences between them are so small that it probably isn't even worth talking about in the first place.
For the record I think KZ2 looks slightly better than Gears 2, but I think it will only be fair to include that game as an example of PS3 superiority once it actually ships.
For now graphics king is probably Uncharted, then in November it will probably be Gears 2, then in February probably KZ2, then in October Halo Chronicles/Alan Wake/Heavy Rain or whatever. It'll just go back and forth like this.
The fact that we can even have these threads and argue for ages just goes to show you that the differences are negligible.
We couldn't have done this last gen there was no debate Xbox was more powerful period.
This gen the fact that we can even debate which one has better graphics just shows that the differences between them are so small that it probably isn't even worth talking about in the first place.
For the record I think KZ2 looks slightly better than Gears 2, but I think it will only be fair to include that game as an example of PS3 superiority once it actually ships.
For now graphics king is probably Uncharted, then in November it will probably be Gears 2, then in February probably KZ2, then in October Halo Chronicles/Alan Wake/Heavy Rain or whatever. It'll just go back and forth like this.
Aside from the fanboy bullshit of which has the faster GPU etc, I will say the two console out different visuals in the sense the 360 is ATI technology and the PS3 Nvidia. It seems to my the 360 has a sharp, hard look to its visuals (not talking about texture quality either) where the PS3 is softer. I had my PS3 six months before I got a 360 and the first thing I noticed about the 360 was things sort of had a "tech demo" look to them. It's hard to explain.
My PS3 is used far more then my 360 for gaming.
Lets look at COD 4 for example. PS3 has the better overall IQ IMO. Sure the 360 is using higher res textures, but they are only noticable when staring at a wall or the ground, 2 things I just dont do while playing...
Heres a couple of pictures of something that drives my crazy with the 360 version. Blocky shadows!! Especially the shadows that are cast on your weapon when standing under a tree.
360
ps3
This distracts me and takes away from the overall IQ.
These are taken using the same camera, running on the same monitor thru the same HDMI port..standing under the same tree on the same map. These are not blown up..just close up shots..
Lets look at COD 4 for example. PS3 has the better overall IQ IMO. Sure the 360 is using higher res textures, but they are only noticable when staring at a wall or the ground, 2 things I just dont do while playing...
Heres a couple of pictures of something that drives my crazy with the 360 version. Blocky shadows!! Especially the shadows that are cast on your weapon when standing under a tree.
360
ps3
This distracts me and takes away from the overall IQ.
These are taken using the same camera, running on the same monitor thru the same HDMI port..standing under the same tree on the same map. These are not blown up..just close up shots..
Not at all in my opinion. Having seen only short gameplay clips of Rage, particularly noticeable in the vehicle sections of the trailer -- it doesn't look that great. I'll be honest, I thought it looked worse than MotorStorm. I haven't seen actual gameplay of the first-person mode though. Also, Rage is still very much "in flux" in terms of development and so who knows what it will ultimately look like when it releases, especially in comparison to whatever else it finds itself releasing next to. But I still personally feel that if you ran KZ2 and Rage side by side at this very moment, KZ2 would handily beat Rage.Karma said:
But for the sake of argument, let's say Rage looks better than KZ2 right now. What exactly does that say about the relationship of the two consoles when admittedly the tech5 streaming technology works better on the PS3? Also, Carmack himself says that PS3 has a more powerful processor, however he personally feels that is negated by the easier development environment of the 360. That seems like a fair assessment of the two consoles. So I would argue in this instance, as a multiplatform developer, you don't care that the PS3 has more power because you have other SKU's to develop on, and parity above all else is most important. However, if you're working exclusively on the PS3, then I don't think it's an issue because you can devote all your time and resources to getting that extra mileage out of it.
Just my 2 cents.
OldJadedGamer said:
In this case I think the pudding in question about done. What you see is what you'll get. Unless you're going to argue that one game is going to look substantially better (or substantially worse) by the the time Feburary rolls around.
eso76
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same gen, no matter how you look at them.
consoles are less than a year apart, anyone could have guessed they were going to end up looking roughly the same despite Sony's claims.
They like to choose exotic terms for their stuff (4d, emotion engine etc) but it's not like they have access to a different/better technology.
There are differences, some are in ps3's favour and some are in x360 favour, overall ps3 is a more powerful machine, but the difference is so relatively small, art direction and different engines often make up for it, and if you were to pick one 'best looking game' of the gen you could pick one from either's library.
IF console versions of Rage look like the trailers we've seen it easily mops the floor with Gow2, KZ2 and Motorstorm (unless you're talking about the prerendered CG trailer shown at e3, which Rage gets much closer to than the actual motorstorm btw
). This proves different engines can make a huge difference, and makes it difficult to compare exclusive made by different developers. If Rage (again, assuming it does look like that) only came out for X360 we would say there's nothing on ps3 that comes close, but that doesn't mean a ps3 couldn't achieve those visuals.
consoles are less than a year apart, anyone could have guessed they were going to end up looking roughly the same despite Sony's claims.
They like to choose exotic terms for their stuff (4d, emotion engine etc) but it's not like they have access to a different/better technology.
There are differences, some are in ps3's favour and some are in x360 favour, overall ps3 is a more powerful machine, but the difference is so relatively small, art direction and different engines often make up for it, and if you were to pick one 'best looking game' of the gen you could pick one from either's library.
IF console versions of Rage look like the trailers we've seen it easily mops the floor with Gow2, KZ2 and Motorstorm (unless you're talking about the prerendered CG trailer shown at e3, which Rage gets much closer to than the actual motorstorm btw
). This proves different engines can make a huge difference, and makes it difficult to compare exclusive made by different developers. If Rage (again, assuming it does look like that) only came out for X360 we would say there's nothing on ps3 that comes close, but that doesn't mean a ps3 couldn't achieve those visuals.
Mr. Durden
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To me Uncharted looks great, but it certainly doesn't look all those offscreen pictures. Even Saints Row seemed to have amazing lighting in offscreen pics, don't be fooled by that.
To me the upcoming games with best graphics on the consoles must be Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2. While Killzone 2 looks amazing at times, other times it doesn't impress at all, something that still bugs me. And while I love the whole grey atmosphere in like for example the first ingame footage shown, I don't like too see that same atmosphere all the time.
Gears of War 2 however seems to be trading it's grey for another orange/yellow/whatever color, which may be a nice change, but I'd hate to see it all the time as well.
With both these kind of graphics hitting the consoles soon, no one should complain:
Gears 2:
Killzone2:
Both consoles however also have those type of games, upcoming and released that aren't that hot at all graphically; like Halo 3 and Resistance 2. So it's quite on par
To me the upcoming games with best graphics on the consoles must be Killzone 2 and Gears of War 2. While Killzone 2 looks amazing at times, other times it doesn't impress at all, something that still bugs me. And while I love the whole grey atmosphere in like for example the first ingame footage shown, I don't like too see that same atmosphere all the time.
Gears of War 2 however seems to be trading it's grey for another orange/yellow/whatever color, which may be a nice change, but I'd hate to see it all the time as well.
With both these kind of graphics hitting the consoles soon, no one should complain:
Gears 2:
Killzone2:
Both consoles however also have those type of games, upcoming and released that aren't that hot at all graphically; like Halo 3 and Resistance 2. So it's quite on par
Karma said:
There has never and will never be a console game that looks the same as its PC counterpart. If absolutely nothing else, the PC's support for higher resolutions and forced AA/AF will guarantee that. I also truly doubt that, beyond the 360's limited capacity, the PC version of Rage will be compromised to unnecessarily equalize it to the console versions.
We've heard this kinda thing a million times from all kinds of devs/publishers, including the Far Cry 2 devs as a recent example. Does FC2 look the same on consoles as it does on PC? Not even remotely. It's marketing hype.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Bran is back?
Fuuuuuuck now I'm seriously out of here.
Fuuuuuuck now I'm seriously out of here.
Mr. Durden
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Yeah except for the part where Gears 2 is only on Xbox 360 and looks fucking awesome. Doesn't really matter either if Uncharted or Killzone 2 is possible on 360, cause no matter what devs say for promo talk about a certain console, since it's not there, we will never really know if it would be possible.Zophar said:
What are you talking about. If Gears is upscaled from 600x400 to the shit I see on my HD tv, I don't give a fuck if it's scaled from that res, cause it looks goddamn awesome. Why would it even matter if you can't see for yourself whether it's 720p or not, but have to look it up on the internet where it seems the numbers says that what you see as looking awesome, theoretically isn't awesome.bran said:
cameltoe said:
so the shadows bother you but the blocky textures don't, and somehow that means better overall IQ? i'm not sure how you play, but when i played it, i pretty much always had some wall or some ground in front of me when i played except when someone was in front of me and i was shooting.
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if this and all the other threads tell us anything, it's that people get hung-up on the smallest little things. a lot of people want so badly to believe one thing over another that they'll pick this kinda shit out as 'proof'. this is the kinda thing people should leave in their heads.
most of the things people are mentioning are personal preferences for things - be it a particular art style, a certain rendering style, or this tradeoff versus that tradeoff.
GitarooMan
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You just know people have been saving up posts to use in a thread like this, great fun to observe.
"To me Uncharted looks great, but it certainly doesn't look all those offscreen pictures. Even Saints Row seemed to have amazing lighting in offscreen pics, don't be fooled by that."
uhh... are you trying to say that because the Uncharted pics are offscreen that they have an unfair advantage? On my tv Uncharted looks just as good.. if not better then the offscreen shots. You loose quality when you get pics like that.. it's not the other way around.
uhh... are you trying to say that because the Uncharted pics are offscreen that they have an unfair advantage? On my tv Uncharted looks just as good.. if not better then the offscreen shots. You loose quality when you get pics like that.. it's not the other way around.
jaypah said:
The only whining taking place is by you. But I bow to you internet dean of facts and opinion. Your ability to talk smack over the internetz is unrivaled. I await you forcibly removing me from your so called nuts. But I guess I will be waiting forever since you are just words on a screen. Thus talking noise on the internet where no one can see you is lameness at its finest.
lowrider007
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DeathNote said:
Better keeping it all in one thread than spread out across the forum.
LiquidMetal14
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This thread is like the toilet.
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