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Why does the PS3 and 360 output similar graphics?
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Anerythristic
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Did the OP just drop this bomb and leave? :lol
Here are a few:NutJobJim said:Wipeout looks amazing.
Can anybody take pictures of just the normal gameplay though, not the photo mode?
I've no doubt it looks stunning in gameplay as well but I'd like to see it for myself because I don't have a PS3 any more
Gameplay footage, as in somebody actually playing the game, would be even better.
http://i36.tinypic.com/url2a.jpg
Wipeout HD has a clever dynamic framebuffer, so the horizontal resolution shifts between 1280x1080 and 1920x1080 depending on load.
http://insidethedigitalfoundry.blogspot.com/2008/09/wipeout-hds-1080p-sleight-of-hand.html
Kestastrophe
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You would be naive to think that each company is completely altruistic in its philosophy and not one intelligent person is disputing that each company engages in some level of hype building, however:gtj1092 said:But I thought only sony made up bs
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=4&cId=3158765
plagiarize
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Ninja Gaiden did look better than God of War 2 technically.TheExodu5 said:
something something 60fps something.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Just has to be posted again:
Unless you prefer console-style games, and franchises that are console-only.Threi said:THAT IS WHY YOU BUILD YOURSELF A PC AND SHUT THE FUCK UP
Whether people here want to admit it or not, PS3 and 360 are compromises of an optimal experience.
If that's the case, the PC is a compromised experience.
If your favorite games are things like MGS, Gran Turismo, GTA, HALO, Wipeout, Ratchet, Gears, etc, you would only ever get a couple of the games you want on a PC.
TheRagnCajun
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Wow, people really show their colours in this thread...
Tormentoso said:
That's right, i'm not a sony fan. I'm a PS2 fan.
And DOA Ultimate kicks the living shit out of Tekken what, and sure GT4 is a great achievement, too bad it's a pinball machine, but let's compare Ninja Gaiden, Conker, Chaos theory, Halo 2, Doom 3, Fucking riddick, Half Life 2, Wreckless, Far Cry instincts etc
Seriously dude, when was the last time PS2 could playing around with shader effects like the Xbox? Where was the normal mapping, the bump mapping, etc where? And we aren't going to compare the double ram right? Oh that was a small difference, twice the amount of ram, next gen GPU in comparison :lol
You are crazy.
Kill Your Masters
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Finally.Threi said:
Tormentoso
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WrikaWrek said:
I screen contest i race you.
Let me ask you this you put people on ignore because they disagree with you,so you have half the forum on ignore by now.I would not put any one on ignore,that only show how little tolerance you have for other poster who actually don't think like you.And on a forum as big as this i know there will be allot of them.
Since i see that you are having a blast about what i say about the DC,care to explain to me why can't that happen,lets see i did make some really good points here,where ever your ego accept it or not,the first game to actually look better than anything on xbox 360 was Uncharted,it came 1 year after the PS3 was on the market,launch PS3 games looked inferior to 360 games of nov 2006.
GT3 landed 1 year and 3 months more or less after the PS2 was release,it was like the first game that really looked better than anything on DC,mind you that PGR was already release on the DC under its original name MSR.Before GT3 pretty much games on PS2 looked similar and in some cases inferior to DC games.
So how is this different in your mind tell me,and why you keep talking about Sony fans,when you say the PS2 is your favorite console,i don't think the PS2 was actually your favorite console at all but this board hold what ever you write on it as we all can see.
Well most FPSes and Racing games have a superior PC alternative.inner-G said:
However as far as i can comprehend this thread is two sides bickering about which of two relatively "underpowered" consoles (relative to PC of course) has better shadows at 32x zoom.
Well then again the fierceness of the bickering suggests to me that this may not at all be about graphics, but more about which system they like more, and thus touting that system to be superior.
Try to pick even worse shots next time smartass. Anyone who has played those games, would stop reading your post on the 1st comparison you made (Conker vs Ratcher :lol :lol )
You are on ignore because you are writing outlandish stuff, and you remind me of the IGN days. But still i've been replying to you, the fool here is me.
You are on ignore because you are writing outlandish stuff, and you remind me of the IGN days. But still i've been replying to you, the fool here is me.
Putting someone on ignore usually means that you lost the argument and are getting flustered. I wasn't following the argument closely, but either FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, or silently ignore him (without stating it in a post).WrikaWrek said:
I suggest you do the former because it is bringing the lulz big time.
rollingstart
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Conker looks better than Ratchet (I own and played them).
DoA2U looks better than any Tekken whatever (I own and played them).
Ninja Gaiden looks better than GoW2 (I own and played them).
DoA2U looks better than any Tekken whatever (I own and played them).
Ninja Gaiden looks better than GoW2 (I own and played them).
Jax said:
This plus the fact that Sony was likely lying about half of what they said.
The multiplatform thing is a main reason I think. Uncharted is a very impressive looking game, and while discussing whether it is or is not possible on the Xbox is a discussion for another thread, the fact is is that to make it Naughty Dog specifically did a bunch of stuff just for the PS3, things that they wouldn't have done if they had to make it for both platforms. Adjustments would have had to be made for both consoles, and the graphics would likely be a notch back if they had had to do both at the same time.
You could make the same argument for Gears of War, which is tailor made for the 360. It could probably be made at comparable quality for the PS3 as well, but if Epic had to make the 360 version and the PS3 version within the same time frame there would not likely be the extra polish and love than if they had just worked on one version.
PC games and console games are drastically different imo. Not even comparable in most cases, except for shooters and RTS's.Threi said:
A gaming PC wouldn't be a very worthwhile investment for most console gamers.
Even if the games were the same, are me and my friends going to crowd around my desktop to play Mario Kart or Warhawk or whatever? hell no.
I agree, but ya can't blame him: those comparison pictures are pretty unbalanced.Threi said:Putting someone on ignore usually means that you lost the argument and are getting flustered. I wasn't following the argument closely, but either FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT, or silently ignore him (without stating it in a post).
I suggest you do the former because it is bringing the lulz big time.
Tormentoso
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WrikaWrek said:
Go to IGN and try to find nice pics on DOA3 you will not,for some reason DOA3 came looking to dark on the xbox,i know is one of the 3 games i got on launch,second look at the screen side of Ratchet and Conker screens same source same size,wait but didn't you try to do that when you posted a screen of conker facing the camera in a close up alone,yeah like thats the best indication of how the game will look when you are playing,close up with the character facing the camera.
The only different size screen is GOW because i could not actually find a bigger screen on IGN,but i use the same source you use,i can post tons of screens of Conker and they will not look like the one you post,because gameplay is not play that way.
If you want to ignore me find with me,but it show how little tolerance you have toward other members who disagree with you,hell you basically label me as a sony fan,that is funny since you think the xbox was more than 1X leap over the PS2,i own both since launch and my favorite console of the 2 was the PS2 no contest,but i did know the xbox look better,but not for how much some people want to make it see,leaps and bounds is something you say when the consoles in question are like PSP to DS or 360 to Wii.
Tormentoso
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Chinner said:
The conker one and Ratchet ones are pretty even,the GOW ones i could not find one of the same size at IGN,and i din't want to post screen from different sources,and Doa 3 screen look like that on IGN all of them.
Go into the links,i know i can find better screen for both consoles,but i use his source,and he pretty much did the same he accuse me on,when he posted a screen of conker facing the camera alone in a close up,hardly they way a game will look when you are playing it.
Kestastrophe
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The ratchet games on PS2 are my favorite games of all-time (with Going commando being my fave), but you are dead wrong. They were not even in the same league as Conker on Xbox. Not even close. And you trying to explain about how the camera angles are different is bullshit, there is no close up. The ratchet games are fantastic looking, however they are flat compared to Conker.Tormentoso said:I screen contest i race you.
Kestastrophe
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Very true. Case in point: Buy Uncharted!!11!!1 RAWRBeeDog said:
TheRagnCajun
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BeeDog said:
I would consider Uncharted a PS3 'benchmark' title. The fact that it falls under scruitiny in screenshot wars is just a compliment to the game - espcially since it looks twice as good in motion.
diffusionx
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Threi said:
Well, unless the games you like are not on the PC. I know this is hard for most PC elitists to admit, but not everyone enjoys whats on the PC platform.
PC is indeed far superior technically, but its also more money, and requires more upkeep, and, of course, has its strengths in certain segments of games. I recently upgraded my PC and plan to play games like Fallout 3 and Far Cry 2 on it instead of my 360/PS3, but if I wanted to play WipeOut, or LBP, or Fable 2, or whatever... well there you go.
Threi said:
Not all racing games and FPS games are interchangeable. Actually few are.
Tormentoso
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Kestastrophe said:
See this is where the argument fell,people wanting to put A game way over B game when they are not,sure conker look better but not even close not even on the same league.?
Let me tell you this Ratchet for PSP is not on the same league as Mario 64 for the DS,that is a great example of not been in the same league,but a few more textures and some more detail no that is not.
And that is my whole point,the same happen with GOW2 and NG black,and is funny because even on a screen you can see Ratchet it no flat.
So there is not close up.? then explain his scree,i saw another one for further away facing the screen as well and doesn't look like it.
Philthy
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Yeah, I'm not sure what the big argument is. The topic, and keyword, is similar. Sure, you can have people posting Uncharted looks the best, or no, Halo 3 looks the best, or no Disgaea 3 tops them all without even trying. But in the end, both systems are close enough that there isn't a huge mind blowing difference like there is between say, the PS3/360 vs the Wii.
Why is this? Because that's just the way they were designed. One company came out with some specs, and another decided that they needed to do the same to compete. Now we have two machines that are capable.
Why is this? Because that's just the way they were designed. One company came out with some specs, and another decided that they needed to do the same to compete. Now we have two machines that are capable.
SonOfABeep
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Wow, this thread outlasted the weekend. I never would have guessed.
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Freeza Under The Shower
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Relix said:
Ok, that's just wierd.
The lighting of the outdoor environments seems really ehm.."flat", but it's just awesome all over this cave screen. I guess there will be quite a bit of quality time underground in Gears 2 then.
And why didn't this thread end after the second post? I mean, holy f*** at people going PS2 more powerful than xbox1. Is retardism contagious or something?
Oh wait: GAF. Never mind.
shpankey
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I agree with your disagree. All I have right now is a PS3 and Uncharted doesn't even rank as #1 on it. 360 has just as many pretty games and from what I've played, stands toe to toe with the best on PS3. Neither seem to be able to differentiate themselves at all graphically (overall).CitizenCope said:
Though I seen a discernible difference last gen with the Xbox over PS2, especially on an HDTV, where the PS2 just looked terrible imo, even when the game did progressive scan. Though on an analog tv like I had in the bedroom, both systems seemed comparable.
Mr. Durden
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flintstryker
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of course what kind of dumb question is that?TheExodu5 said:
RpgN
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Tormentoso said:
I understand where you're coming from. Ps2 games got better and better with generation. Games like GOW2 were able to match a few xbox games. It's because of the architecture where you need to put time into those games and get used to the development kits. The xbox kits were easy to use on the other hand. You got the full power from the start with little advancements as time went by. It still doesn't change the fact that xbox games did look better than ps2 games. I'm no technical person, but things like lighting and polygons were usually better on the xbox.
Ps. I agree that some of the pics that you provided are unbalanced. DOA3 looks much better than those blurry pics. IGN isn't the best source for such pics.
Crayon
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WIPEOUT HD IMA DROPPIN BOMBS
A: The games photo mode is the most amazing eazy bake bullshotter since Halo 3. The photo mode screens of wipeout are NOT representative of how the game looks. Even the photos with no after affects added have deeeeep anti aliasing which is not in the gameplay.
That said, it's still one of the most impressive looking games out. Resolution and aa and framerate don't count in photos becasue two can be faked and one will be absent. But in game, Wohd delivers on all counts. It's a shame the bullshots steal the thunder becasue when you actually play the game the iq really jumps out and smacks you in the face.
Yes Resistance 2 looks better than most games coming out.
I understand that if you are looking for big textures to be rubbed in your camera and bloom lighting/blur to take the edges off you jaggies then R2 looks meh to you.
If you can't simply look at it and tell why it's so impressive then that's not my problem. Hint: lots of enemies onscreen.
PS2/Xbox where at once very far apart and not so far apart.
The top games for each are comparable in terms of end results. The XBox was quite a bit more advanced but once you got all you shit sorted there was still the matter of GT4 looking better than Forza, but not actually doing the same amount of work as Forza.... It gets confusing. By the time you have good games to compare, like conker and Ratchet, the game engines are working in such a dissimilar way that's it's kinda tough to compare the two.
For the most part, you can say XBox had better graphics and be done with it. And to anyone whos into last gen licesended movie games I would heartily reccomend an Xbox over a PS2 or a Wii.
The real reason PS3 game look better than 360 games:
Because Killzone, Gran Turismo, Resistance, Uncharted, Wipeout etc all have something in common: These games are built under Sony's wing with shitloads of TIME MONEY and TALENT. And it show, does it not?
It's different when you are just a scrappy little upstart like ea or ubi. You can't afford to really take advantage of the hardware or miss that xmas deadline. You've got to get that fucking game out because you've got to put food on the table. Can't be bothered to take advantage of a systems's abilitites no not when Mr Durden cant tell the fucking difference between 640p and 1080p. Doesn't give a fuck about 30 vs 60 frames a second. Unless it's fast like fzero, tho!!
WIPEOUT HD IMA DROPPIN BOMBS
A: The games photo mode is the most amazing eazy bake bullshotter since Halo 3. The photo mode screens of wipeout are NOT representative of how the game looks. Even the photos with no after affects added have deeeeep anti aliasing which is not in the gameplay.
That said, it's still one of the most impressive looking games out. Resolution and aa and framerate don't count in photos becasue two can be faked and one will be absent. But in game, Wohd delivers on all counts. It's a shame the bullshots steal the thunder becasue when you actually play the game the iq really jumps out and smacks you in the face.
Yes Resistance 2 looks better than most games coming out.
I understand that if you are looking for big textures to be rubbed in your camera and bloom lighting/blur to take the edges off you jaggies then R2 looks meh to you.
If you can't simply look at it and tell why it's so impressive then that's not my problem. Hint: lots of enemies onscreen.
PS2/Xbox where at once very far apart and not so far apart.
The top games for each are comparable in terms of end results. The XBox was quite a bit more advanced but once you got all you shit sorted there was still the matter of GT4 looking better than Forza, but not actually doing the same amount of work as Forza.... It gets confusing. By the time you have good games to compare, like conker and Ratchet, the game engines are working in such a dissimilar way that's it's kinda tough to compare the two.
For the most part, you can say XBox had better graphics and be done with it. And to anyone whos into last gen licesended movie games I would heartily reccomend an Xbox over a PS2 or a Wii.
The real reason PS3 game look better than 360 games:
Because Killzone, Gran Turismo, Resistance, Uncharted, Wipeout etc all have something in common: These games are built under Sony's wing with shitloads of TIME MONEY and TALENT. And it show, does it not?
It's different when you are just a scrappy little upstart like ea or ubi. You can't afford to really take advantage of the hardware or miss that xmas deadline. You've got to get that fucking game out because you've got to put food on the table. Can't be bothered to take advantage of a systems's abilitites no not when Mr Durden cant tell the fucking difference between 640p and 1080p. Doesn't give a fuck about 30 vs 60 frames a second. Unless it's fast like fzero, tho!!
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