Metalmurphy
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You're right. That completely invalidates the point I was making.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
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Why is XBL still the superior online service...
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You're right. That completely invalidates the point I was making.
Oh wait, it doesn't.
I don't think we are the delusional one's, The new 360 dashboard is terrible, XBL is not so much better like I've said before the only feature that they have over PSN is Party Chat if it wasn't for that they would be identical.
I think the thing about Xbox live is that despite being ad-ridden and increasingly convoluted, it is consistent, whatever you're doing on xbox you know what you're going to get, you know how to interact with it.
You can't say the same out the services or games on PSN.
It's the same open vs closed discussion that's happening all through-out technology.
You can't say the same out the services or games on PSN.
It's the same open vs closed discussion that's happening all through-out technology.
There are all sorts of little annoyances on PSN that Live doesn't have.
When you log into another account from within a PSN game, it dumps you back to XMB so you have to re-boot the entire game. Happens all the time with LittleBigPlanet 2 for my son. On the XBox, it just takes you back to the start screen for the game.
Oh, and the reason why he has to switch accounts? We bought him some PSN gift cards only to find out that he can't put them on his sub-account. So we had to add them to my main account instead. So if he finds a pack he wants to use in LBP2 while playing on his account, he will change to my account, which knocks him out of the game. Then he starts up the game from my account. Then he buys the item. Then he changes over to his account, which dumps him back to XMB AGAIN, then he can start up the game again and use the item that he bought.
That's not identical. It shows the lack of thought they put into their entire system.
Totally agree on you on that point.
PSN is disjointed and clearly feels like a system that has been built on a foundation because it has but Sony have gradually improved and I think understand what they need to do with ps4 as from I previously read, they had tried to implement CGC but ran into loads of compatibility problems.
But fact is, PSN has improved over 7 years...can the same be said of Live? Live Arcade started awesomely and now seems like a gaming ghetto while Sony seem to put a lot of effort into their DD games...hell Fat Princess has billing on their new AAA fighter!
PSN is disjointed and clearly feels like a system that has been built on a foundation because it has but Sony have gradually improved and I think understand what they need to do with ps4 as from I previously read, they had tried to implement CGC but ran into loads of compatibility problems.
But fact is, PSN has improved over 7 years...can the same be said of Live? Live Arcade started awesomely and now seems like a gaming ghetto while Sony seem to put a lot of effort into their DD games...hell Fat Princess has billing on their new AAA fighter!
You still have universal invites accesible from any application or game. Invites and messaging work with a single button in every single game and don't depend on implementation from developers. You can view friends of friends which makes TNT on Giant Bomb and game groups possible and nearly impossible on PS3. You have features that are not only there, but have been mandated from launch day. You have a store that is accessible and usable from any smart phone or PC. If you have a 360 and ignore those things and respond with "but PS3 developers CAN implement invites should they chose to" you are ignoring the very thing that makes the 360 a much smoother experience.
Maybe it just the games I play on the PS3 just implement invites and features. MAG & Bf3 is really the only game I play on the PS3 and it has invites and friends list/clan list.
Good list. Thanks for the reply.
Baconsammy
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Sure, if you also get a demo for every single PSN game.
XBL-only users aren't at a loss for exclusives. A "plethora" of them, if you will.
Yep, it takes them a week longer to download most every demo.
That is a problem.
MS ruined this gen by nickling anf diming us and people lapped it up.
Next gen might be where I tap out. Street Fighter is forever tainted for me.
I'm comparing private dedicated servers to the system most console games use where the servers (or P2P) are controlled on the backend by the publisher or platform holder.
XBLA started with Geometry Wars and this year alone released Alan Wake, Trials, and Fez. Comparing any of those games or Journey to Fat Princess is downright insulting.
Baconsammy
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So on my PS3 I can now play 'Splosion Man, Ms Splosion Man, Fez, Minecraft, Trials HD, Trials Evolution, Shadow Complex, Alan Wake...I can keep listing all these "ghetto" games if you'd like.
Speedymanic
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What am I reading. 
Recent XBLA titles are ghetto? Speechless.
Recent XBLA titles are ghetto? Speechless.
For me the "better" service will always be the one that, at the time, its basics work (online gaming only is enough in my case), and it's free... Also, the one which games interest me more.
PSN is the only one that gathers all that when it comes to consoles. I just don't need any of the extra BS on any of the services.
PSN is the only one that gathers all that when it comes to consoles. I just don't need any of the extra BS on any of the services.
I have yet to see an ad in a XBLA game I played, but whatever misconceptions and not actuallty fact checking are still ghetto.
Baconsammy
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Some are better. There's two minecraft ripoffs that sold more copies alone than most PSN/XBLA games sell. Every now and then I find a gem on Indies, but rarely. The best downloadable games I've played this gen have come from XBLA almost exclusively. If that's ghetto, than I guess I'm ghetto.
I disagree PSN has just as strong titles as XBLA, XBLA has more of them but PSN is not a slouch in that area at all.
I agree that it sucks he has to change accounts and it puts him back to the XMB but if your downloading DLC for xbox games as well, you have to go back to the dashboard and renter the game for the dlc to take effect unless the game is restarted.
There are at least a couple of XBLA indie games that were later released on Steam and/or PSN. I think the amount of trash there outweighs the good titles but the main issue right now and with the bulk of downloadable games seems to be exposure and how to market these games to a wider audience. Hell, even the hardcore gamers are sometimes unaware of the games out there. I'm not sure how you fix this. I think MS and Sony will make some moves next gen to more towards the variable pricing of the iOS app store.
This is as bad as calling XBLA ghetto.
PSN is just as viable as XBLA, there are great titles on both with many cool exclusives for either side.
They don't.
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REMOVE PSN FROM THE EQUATION. He's saying more people would have XBL if it was free. Not saying his point is groundbreaking... it's pretty simple but still you're missing it.
Playing games on both video game machines are identical. Why is trophy/achievement comparisons even brought up? Did you buy the 360 to save a few minutes on downloading patches? If so, how many games do you buy that it's even an issue? You act as if patching is a tedious process for the user. If I buy an older game that was heavily patched, the patches will be automatically downloaded and installed one after another.
wrong.
Baconsammy
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But they do. Downloaded Dragon's Dogma in 15 minutes on my 360. Took 4 hours on my PS3. No idea why. But it's an issue discussed by many many people since the PSN started. For whatever reason, for a lot of us gamers, PSN exhibits some major speed issues. I wish it didn't, but it does. It's exhibited those issues across 3 PS3s (launch unit died, 2nd unit I gave away, and now I'm on a slim) and across 3 states that I've lived in. Obviously our individual experiences can differ drastically, but I hear about PSN speed issues everywhere. I've rarely heard about universal speed issues with XBL. If I had speeds from XBL that I get from PSN, I'd tell MSFT to shove their yearly bill up their ass.
No they're not identical. Takes forever to download and install the stream of patches on many PS3 games. Takes about 10-15 seconds on XBL. Huge difference. 360 also has an advantage in that downloads dont have to install before they can be played. A 2 gig download from PSN can take upwards of 15 minutes to install. Minor issue to some, pain in the ass to others.
H_Prestige
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It's amazing how Live zealots try to complicate online gaming to make it sound like MS is doing something so sophisticated. It's bloody p2p gaming. They're just connecting you with other players, that's it. After that it's all on the game's netcode and the internet connection quality of the players. Remember Gears of War 2?
I downloaded the Dragon's Dogma demo from the Japanese store in 10 minuted install included.
Baconsammy
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Don't turn this into one of those threads.
hahahahaha what?
No they don't, It's not a lot of gamers either, For just as many people PSN speeds are equal to XBL, the Install thing is an issue but for downloading they are definitely equal.
OldJadedGamer
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Of course. But as I pointed out there are so many people playing online right now that every game is packed full would anyone notice a bump? I can only fit so many people in an online multiplayer match. If there are 10,000 people for the game to pool from for me to play with in my match that can only hold 16 players... how would I notice a few hundred more in that initial pool for me to care about? It was a silly and obvious "point".
Go out and buy Hot Shots Golf, then update it. It literally takes 5-6 hours to patch.
As many fanboy arguments have occurred on the internet since the ps3 released, surely you can find some hard evidence that "XBL download speeds dwarf PSN". Trust me, if it was true it wouldn't be a rumor on message boards.
Baconsammy
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Except it isn't a rumor. Many of us PS3 owners experience it. That makes it the opposite of a rumor.
R_thanatos
Member
i can voutch that it's a only rumour .. i have the same thing on both services AKA , the max speed i can use ( both consoles are wired ).
You won't find a serious study or articles proving that they are slower because this is only a rumour ..
EDIT : By serious i mean something that doesn't comes from a blog or 360magazine.net,ps3fanboy.com or something
Same here, don't have a 360 but I get my max download speed of my ISP through PSN. I also have it wired, I think that's what makes the difference. PS3 wifi chipset is garbage.
news to me
Uno Venova
Banned
No significantly slower downloads over here.
Baconsammy
Banned
Google says otherwise. I google PSN Speed Issues and I'm greeted with tons of people with the same speed issues I have on PSN. I do the same with Xbox Live, I don't see much of anything. Why the hell would I make that up? It isn't a rumor, and I knew it wasnt a rumor because when I constantly experienced it I went to numerous forums looking for solutions and found many many people with the same situation. Wired/wireless, router/no-router makes no difference. I wish it wasn't a problem. It would certainly make buying older PS3 games that require patches more palatable. But like another poster said, simply updating a game like Hot Shots Golf can take hours. Same process on 360 takes seconds (not due to download speeds, but due to the superior way in which Microsoft designed the update process).
Why are you guys focusing on download speed? Even if they were equal, which they are for some people, the act of downloading patches, installing games, and syncing and comparing trophies is a worse experience on PS3. Also I feel like PSN has a great library of downloadable games. It's certainly not ghetto either.
I'll say it again, PLAYING games on both services is identical. Time spent downloading patches or demos is insignificant when compared to playing the actual games.
Oh and the install time is bullshit. I just installed FFV, a game I downloaded awhile back, and it only took ~15 seconds for the 163mb install.
No, you probably wouldn't notice a bump. That's still not his point or really anybody's AFAIK. You would notice more faces in games with smaller communities, though. If you have both consoles, why pay to play on one when you can play for free on the other? Assuming exclusives aren't the reason. It must have not been too obvious if you kept missing it, lol.
No, I'm not using my wallet to find your evidence.
Seriously man, if it were true you would find proof in the first google search. It'd be all over youtube and would be linked in every comment section of IGN.
Baconsammy
Banned
OK, speeds aside. As an avid user of both consoles yes the 360's service is appreciably better by a long shot to me for reasons (not counting speed):
- No synching of achievements. It's automatic
- demo for every single XBLA game. Every one.
- can update my username if I feel like it
- update process on games literally takes seconds rather than hours
- transferring purchases/licenses is a breeze on 360. Ability to filter all my purchases on xbox.com and pick and choose what I want redownloaded is far superior to the list of everything you ever bought that Sony presents you with when you want to go back and re-download something.
- from a personal standpoint, HBO Go and ESPN 3 are my favorite video apps. Netflix used to be superior on 360, but the latest update made it as shitty as my PS3's Netflix app, so now I use the superior Netflix app on my Apple TV.
Coming from PS2 to X360 it was like a miracle. Online games on console, welcome!
Any reputable site host a study proving this? A bunch of internet randoms don't convince me.
OldJadedGamer
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I actually do have both consoles and play online with them both. I play online with the 360 because that is where my friends in real life are. Would you pay a cover charge to drink in a bar where your friends were already there or would you drink alone with a bunch of random guys at a bar with no cover? I pick my friends over randoms.
edit: Also cross game invites, party chat, and the ability to automute everyone by default that isn't on my friends list is a nice touch as well.
You don't have to. Hot Shots Golf takes around 5 hours to patch for the first time. Anyone who owns it will tell you the same.
My PSN downloads speeds have actually increased over the last year.
Still not overly 'quick', but not unbearable like they were.
Some are also underestimating the awesomeness for OCD gamers to remove 0 gamerscore games from my list.
Really wish Sony would implement this on PSN. Would have thought uninstalling trophies would be easy. Fucking Rag Doll Kung Fu.
Still not overly 'quick', but not unbearable like they were.
Some are also underestimating the awesomeness for OCD gamers to remove 0 gamerscore games from my list.
Really wish Sony would implement this on PSN. Would have thought uninstalling trophies would be easy. Fucking Rag Doll Kung Fu.
Baconsammy
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Issues exist without studies. The only proof those of us that suffer from poor PSN speeds need is the issue itself. You dont have the issue. That's good for you. For the many of us that do, it's an issue. And for me personally it's just one of many reasons that XBL is superior to PSN. So much so that I'm willing to spend 35 bucks a year to keep it.
So it's PSN's fault that Bethesda are terrible developers? My god what a stretch.
e: lol you edited it out
DownWithTheShip
Member
Significantly slower here, wired or wireless. I've tried everything to fix it, thinking it must be a configuration problem. I've also moved twice, and had 3 different routers, but PSN speeds remain slow. The only thing that's been the same is my ISP (Cox), so maybe that has something to do with it?
I would say that's why many people might be having issues with how long it takes to update. When it takes almost an hour or more to download a 2GB update, that's a major pain. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if it downloaded as fast as XBL does.
Although in the end I enjoy both systems and put up with the problems each of them have. I will continue to pay for Live, and will continue to suffer with slow download speeds from PSN.