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Why Shotty Snipers is ruining Halo...

Agreed. Nothing wrong with the game type, it just happens waaaaaay to often.

Hell this shows shotty/snipers happens to often...
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Tieno said:
Is this that gaf thread we were talking about?
Also matchmaking (probably social) needs to have Rocket Race in it.

i agree, and we need some new maps to play rocket race on and some fixes of the current implementation. the ability to disable assassinations and making sure people spawn with their teammate.

(can i disable assassinations within the game settings already?)
 
Pretty much every single ranked match that has shotty snipers gets 8/8 veto within about 2 seconds, so Bungie will get the message soon enough. They change the playlists pretty regularly.

More construct please!
 
I dislike this gametype as well, mainly because I don't find anything fun in sniper rifles, sniping people, or getting sniped......I think that Halo is the funnest MP experience you can have right now, but I will never like the anxiety of knowing that some master sniper is out there with my head in his or her scope, and this gametype intensifies that. My favorite maps tend to be those without any snipers in them. This goes for pretty much every FPS....many people consider sniping to be one of the more skilled ways to kill, I just think it's irritating and boring.
 
segarr said:
I dislike this gametype as well, mainly because I don't find anything fun in sniper rifles, sniping people, or getting sniped......I think that Halo is the funnest MP experience you can have right now, but I will never like the anxiety of knowing that some master sniper is out there with my head in his or her scope, and this gametype intensifies that. My favorite maps tend to be those without any snipers in them. This goes for pretty much every FPS....many people consider sniping to be one of the more skilled ways to kill, I just think it's irritating and boring.

I enjoy sniping once in a while, but as the focus of a gametype, it grates on me. I'm more of a CQB person, so gametypes on small maps with CQ weapons are THE thing for me. As I said before, luckily, Shotty Snipers gets vetoed whenever i join ranked matches.
 
Where the f**k is One Flag CTF on Last Resort.

Zanzibar One flag in H2 was the only reason I trudged through shit modes like Territories and King of the Hill towards the end of the games cycle.
 
bigswords said:
All players start with shotguns and sniper with unlimited ammo. I do enjoy the gametype as it improves your aim, but I agree that it should be a different ranked gametype.

I hate the mode when it comes up in matchmaking, but I think perhaps you're right about the reason it's there -- forcing people to get up to speed with the sniper rifle. I completely suck with it and never pick one up during the normal course of multiplayer, but when stuck with it...well it's given me some much-needed practice on it that I wouldn't have had. Won't stop me from veto'ing it when it comes up tho'.
 
Maybe its the maps? GoldenEye on the n64 didnt have a problem like this and i havent heard of perfect dark having that problem either.
 
Sp3eD said:
Where the f**k is One Flag CTF on Last Resort.

Seriously, 1 Flag CTF on Last Resort would be like the perfect game type. Especially with all the equipment now like the gravity lift for getting on the second floor and bubble shield for protecting the flag holder and the radar jammer for when everyones in the base.

I don't understand why this is not there already especially since Bungie knows how popular 1 Flag CTF on Zanzibar was.
 
Shotty Snipers and Elim Snipers are two awful modes.. i dont understand why you are forced to play playlists and not choose your mode and map
 
SuperPac said:
I hate the mode when it comes up in matchmaking, but I think perhaps you're right about the reason it's there -- forcing people to get up to speed with the sniper rifle. I completely suck with it and never pick one up during the normal course of multiplayer, but when stuck with it...well it's given me some much-needed practice on it that I wouldn't have had. Won't stop me from veto'ing it when it comes up tho'.

i only have 9 kills with it. i really suck with it and i don't even bother picking it up. i just switch to the shotty and run over and find them not paying attention. judging from some of the teams i've been on, i'm not the only one.
 
Am I the only one who finds matchmaking totally fucking retarded? Y'know, sometimes I want a quick game of standard deathmatch before I go to work, yet more often than not I find myself wasting time playing Ninjanaut or some other crap because I can't simply choose which gametype I want to play. It's been nearly two years since Perfect Dark Zero came out, and in my mind it's still the best online implimentation of any game on XBL - in PDZ if I want CTF, I can choose CTF, if I want Dark-op's, I can choose Dark-op's. Perhaps there would be less people quitting out early on Halo 3 if you could choose exactly which gametype you want to play, without this playlist crap that means you get stuck playing a gametype you have zero interest in.

Bungie should just allow people to make custom games open, and then let people browse a list of all custom games open and choose the exact one they want. If that was an option in Halo 3, i'd circumvent that matchmaking crap everytime.
 
I hate the random playlist shit. It's way too limited. You're always playing on the same few maps with the same shit. There should at least be some more playlists for CTF and non-snipers and non-rockets slayer or something.

If there are GAF custom games going, someone add me. Gamer Tag - NinjaPirate18
 
Bootaaay said:
Am I the only one who finds matchmaking totally fucking retarded? Y'know, sometimes I want a quick game of standard deathmatch before I go to work, yet more often than not I find myself wasting time playing Ninjanaut or some other crap because I can't simply choose which gametype I want to play.

WTF playlist are you playing? I've been doing Lone Wolves almost constantly and it's more often than not just regular slayer and it throws me into a game within 30 seconds of starting up m'making. Couldn't be quicker/easier IMO. If you don't want to do it ranked go into Social playlists, same deal. I much prefer it to hunting through a huge list of servers.

Bungie should just allow people to make custom games open, and then let people browse a list of all custom games open and choose the exact one they want. If that was an option in Halo 3, i'd circumvent that matchmaking crap everytime.

But they want to funnel people into matchmaking which IMO is a much better experience than browsing a list of thousands of gametypes that may have been created by the very large douchebag contingent that plays Halo.
 
SuperPac said:
WTF playlist are you playing? I've been doing Lone Wolves almost constantly and it's more often than not just regular slayer and it throws me into a game within 30 seconds of starting up m'making. Couldn't be quicker/easier IMO. If you don't want to do it ranked go into Social playlists, same deal. I much prefer it to hunting through a huge list of servers.

I use Rumble Pit mostly, haven't ventured into the ranked matches yet, and while I do get mostly Slayer games there are times when i'll get like 5 shitty gametypes in a row and end up just turning the console off out of frustration - it doesn't really matter what playlist i'm using, I'll switch over to the BTB playlist and get shotty snipers, or VIP when all i'd like is standard team deathmatch, or CTF, or territories.

SuperPac said:
But they want to funnel people into matchmaking which IMO is a much better experience than browsing a list of thousands of gametypes that may have been created by the very large douchebag contingent that plays Halo.

Yeah, well i'd prefer the option of choice to be honest - i'll always take being able to choose EXACTLY which gametype I want to play over being funneled into a gametype of Bungie's choosing.
 
I actually really like Shotty Snipers, I just wish it came up less often. And why is it the only slayer variant? There should be other games with alternative weapon sets. Maybe Rockets, or heavy weapons, or brute weapons only, or BR starts... something.
 
Kuroyume said:
I haven't run into this shotty snipers thing. These are the maps I've played so far in 37 games...

Snowbound (holy shit, this is awful)
Valhalla
Last Resort
Narrows
High Ground
Guardian
Sandtrap

http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo3.aspx?player=KUR0YUME
At least you've played 6.
I've only played the ones bolded + the pit and Isolation, and Construct once.

in 61 games.
http://www.bungie.net/stats/PlayerStatsHalo3.aspx?player=theultimos

1/2 are Shotty Sniper BTW, the ratio is horrible.
 
FLUXCapacitor said:
Agreed. Nothing wrong with the game type, it just happens waaaaaay to often.

Hell this shows shotty/snipers happens to often...
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Hell yeah. I have the most kills with the shotgun, and I almost never pick that one up in regular Slayer or other modes (and all I've played so far is Team Slayer, some Lone Wolves and, of course, tons of Shotty Sniper).

thetrin said:
More construct please!
Are you insane?! Construct is like the worst map in the history of ever. Running around, seeing the dots on the radar and wondering which of the 645 floors they're on is the dullest multiplayer experience I've ever had.

Speaking of, I also support the motion to remove the motion sensor. I used to depend on it in Halo 1 because I was an FPS newb, never played much multiplayer Halo 2 and now that I've gone through some more games in the genre it's just bothering me in Halo 3. Pisses me off that someone I totally outsmarted gets a free pass despite having fucked up and not kept his surroundings in check.
 
I used to hate Shotty Snipers too... but the I got better at it and don't mind so much anymore. :P

But yeah, it comes up too often and some levels just aren't right for it.

I'm sure they'll change the playlists around soon enough. I would really like custom playlists, though.
 
aku:jiki said:
Speaking of, I also support the motion to remove the motion sensor. I used to depend on it in Halo 1 because I was an FPS newb, never played much multiplayer Halo 2 and now that I've gone through some more games in the genre it's just bothering me in Halo 3. Pisses me off that someone I totally outsmarted gets a free pass despite having fucked up and not kept his surroundings in check.
Motion sensor should be gone from all ranked matches, or set to ally only. It makes things way too easy on the defenders in most game modes, who already have enough of an advantage as is.
 
Im not a massive fan of it either, mainly because I suck with both shotties and snipers. I'm starting to wonder if that's the point though, I got a lot better with the rifle especially after being mercilessly picked off for a few rounds, I never would have picked up a sniper in CTF or normal slayer before, now I'll consider it.

Forcing players to experiment with weapons seems to be part of Bungies "We know what makes our game fun, and we'll cram it down your throat" philosophy, in a similar way that matchmaking decides who you should be playing, these game modes teach you how you should be playing.
 
I really like Shotty Snipers. I'm so rubbish at sniping that I can't practice it in a normal Team Slayer, or I'll fuck everything up for my whole team, and I can't really practice in Lone Wolves because I'll get melee'd in the back of the head.

In Shotty Snipers I get plenty of practice with the long rifle, and I'm getting better at predicting where people will move, at vertical aiming for strafing headshots, pressing B to quickly kick out of the first level of zoom, finding a good sniping spot and moving after a few shots.

I don't understand why people dislike it so much. Don't you want to get better at the game?
 
alisdair said:
Don't you want to get better at the game?
Of course we do, and the general consensus is that SS is a cool mode. We just don't want to be forced to practice, and we definitely don't want to be forced to practice snipers 50% (or more if you're unlucky) of the time we pick Team Slayer.

It's not just SS for me either. I want to pick modes in Lone Wolves as well. I'm not really interested in regular Slayer -- I'd rather play Team Slayer for massacres -- so I'd rather just be able to pick Oddball or KOTH. I think it's bullshit how more and more games on 360 move towards this too god damn "user friendly" way of matchmaking, removing all of the options for people who know what they're doing. It's MS' philosophy in it's software in Windows as well and it needs to die a horrible death. Simple interfaces that everybody can use are great, but advanced options shouldn't be excluded.
 
My requests:

Remove Shotty Snipers from Team Slayer playlists.
New Team Snipers playlist.
Change name of multi-team to multi-doubles.
Add new multi-team playlist with 4 teams of 3.
1 flag capture the flag on last resort in team slayer playlists.
Bring back a SWAT playlist. (No shields, BR start).
Rocket Race and Infection in playlists.
 
N.A said:
My requests:

Remove Shotty Snipers from Team Slayer playlists.
New Team Snipers playlist.
Change name of multi-team to multi-doubles.
Add new multi-team playlist with 4 teams of 3.
1 flag capture the flag on last resort in team slayer playlists.
Bring back a SWAT playlist. (No shields, BR start).

Rocket Race and Infection in playlists.

Bolded for YES
 
N.A said:
My requests:

Remove Shotty Snipers from Team Slayer playlists.
New Team Snipers playlist.
1 flag capture the flag on last resort in team slayer playlists.
Bring back a SWAT playlist. (No shields, BR start).
Infection in playlists.

I am with you on those points.
 
N.A said:
My requests:

Remove Shotty Snipers from Team Slayer playlists.
New Team Snipers playlist.
Add new multi-team playlist with 4 teams of 3.
Rocket Race and Infection in playlists.

Word!
 
I like Shotty Snipers a lot, but I agree that it's totally gotten out of control. It gets vetoed most of the time I play - to an extent where it actually annoys occasionally.

But someone had an idea of removing the motion sensor, and I say that's a FREAKIN GOOD idea. It would make the gametype have more of a tactical feel because people won't be honed in on their radar with their trigger finger ready to fly.

Either way, yeah, it needs to get toned down so people will actually STOP vetoing it. More importantly, though, people who are afraid of sniper maps need to just get good with the sniper rifle. It's not any more difficult than becoming Jesus Christ with the battle rifle, or "rifle butter extraordinaire"!
 
Ease up on the hyperbole.

I played on night on matchmaking and only came across shotty/sniper twice. And each time it was fun.

Territories on the other hand...
 
why not let us choose our gametype in matchmaking?

fucking snobs. the only way to have regular CTF with the rules i like is to host a custome game and pray i have 15 other people online. Fucking ridiculous.
 
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