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Why won't WB drop Zack Snyder?
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Screaming Meat
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He has his faults and makes his mistakes but his place on the justice league is earned
Why would you steal this post opportunity from me... Damn you!
That's been over for a while. Current Batman is just Batman.
Screaming Meat
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RichiRamjag
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Watchman 6/10?! I couldn't bare to read further. Outside of a scene or two, it was a really good film.
He never did. They went on record to say each film was going to be filmmaker driven. Maybe less so now after SS, but they've always said that.
He does his own story boarding, so maybe it does come from his head.
I support this.
The problem with BvS in particular is the writing, and then the editing, not the direction.
Man of Steel was a fantastic movie, and so was Watchmen. He is one the most skilled directors around in terms of tech and style and all the flack he gets, he is getting because of the type of product he is selling.
All he had to do was to drop the slow-mo. What's left now is prime photography and dynamic action sequences that aren't trying to confuse you with shaky-cams and close-up shots. Only the Russos outdo him and outclass him in terms of quality of action sequences. If those dumb-asses at Warner had left the warehouse sequence where it was, inside the movie instead of making it into a commercial, right now they would have the same amount of people gashing over it with the enthusiasm people reserve to the Cap vs Bucky action in Winter soldier.
Snyder was doing fine until WB decided to pull a Batman v Superman and fuse two inconsistent movies into a disastrous mess.
The actual idea behind Batman v Superman was really ingenuous. First it was perfectly fitting the heritage of Nolan's Batman, since in the movie Bruce goes through what people in Gotham went through once he appeared the first time. As Joker said "he changed things". He is finding himself at the other side of the equation: there's someone who is more powerful than he is, as a symbol and as a hero, and of course he starts getting nightmares of all sorts including the very one where he felt his helplessness for the first time.
Second, the idea that some people would have a fucking psychotic attack at the undeniable proof that God really exists or that aliens really exist, doesn't look that ludicrous to me. Actually, now that Trump won the election a character like Lex Luthor doesn't seem that far-fetched to begin with. The real problem with Luthor wasn't Eisenberg or the sudden introduction of mystical intervention into his actions, it was the fact that it's never really explained why he lost his mind at the idea of God not only being real but also being "all-good". The screenplay should have treated Superman as a side-character, making us see him through the eyes of Bruce and Lex, all the while focusing on deeper introspection of Bruce and Lex's motives. But, hey, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO DARK, right?
This was a BATMAN MOVIE, but since they made people wait for four years and since WB wanted to turn the whole thing into a cash-cow, they worked on this project as if it was a pilot for a tv-show. And they fucked it up.
I refuse to believe that garbage like Dark Knight Rises, or at least everything in Dark Knight Rises after the first Bane fight, or Batman v Superman are Nolan and Snyder responsibility.
All he had to do was to drop the slow-mo. What's left now is prime photography and dynamic action sequences that aren't trying to confuse you with shaky-cams and close-up shots. Only the Russos outdo him and outclass him in terms of quality of action sequences. If those dumb-asses at Warner had left the warehouse sequence where it was, inside the movie instead of making it into a commercial, right now they would have the same amount of people gashing over it with the enthusiasm people reserve to the Cap vs Bucky action in Winter soldier.
Snyder was doing fine until WB decided to pull a Batman v Superman and fuse two inconsistent movies into a disastrous mess.
The actual idea behind Batman v Superman was really ingenuous. First it was perfectly fitting the heritage of Nolan's Batman, since in the movie Bruce goes through what people in Gotham went through once he appeared the first time. As Joker said "he changed things". He is finding himself at the other side of the equation: there's someone who is more powerful than he is, as a symbol and as a hero, and of course he starts getting nightmares of all sorts including the very one where he felt his helplessness for the first time.
Second, the idea that some people would have a fucking psychotic attack at the undeniable proof that God really exists or that aliens really exist, doesn't look that ludicrous to me. Actually, now that Trump won the election a character like Lex Luthor doesn't seem that far-fetched to begin with. The real problem with Luthor wasn't Eisenberg or the sudden introduction of mystical intervention into his actions, it was the fact that it's never really explained why he lost his mind at the idea of God not only being real but also being "all-good". The screenplay should have treated Superman as a side-character, making us see him through the eyes of Bruce and Lex, all the while focusing on deeper introspection of Bruce and Lex's motives. But, hey, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO DARK, right?
This was a BATMAN MOVIE, but since they made people wait for four years and since WB wanted to turn the whole thing into a cash-cow, they worked on this project as if it was a pilot for a tv-show. And they fucked it up.
I refuse to believe that garbage like Dark Knight Rises, or at least everything in Dark Knight Rises after the first Bane fight, or Batman v Superman are Nolan and Snyder responsibility.
And WB tries to take risks while not actually wanting to take risks
There are zero indications of this Batman being remotely related to Nolan's Batman, it's a completely different world altogether and we have to understand that he's a careless killer now because he says he's seen some shit in 20 years of which we haven't seen anything.
It's not a Batman I can emphasize with at all. Maybe Snyder shouldn't have put the Waynes' death there for the 20th time and should've replaced it with some other interesting flashback like the death of Jason Todd. That way there would be some actual visual testimony of these 20 fucked up years and the potential turning point that Todd's death would be for this Batman.
It wouldn't make his rampant killing more justifiable but at least I would've cared more for him, showing the Robin costume with some Leto on it is not enough, and the killing of Bruce's parents achieved nothing in terms of character development. Mainly because the whole population of this planet already knows what happened to them. The only reason this scene is there is so they could go ahead with the stupid Martha thing.
These exact themes are developed in Civil War to considerably greater success.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it did.
Mammoth Jones
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This. In Zack I Trust.
ginger ninja
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People hating on Watchmen, the greatest superhero adaption of the greatest graphic novel ever. Now I have truly seen it all.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
You got a problem mate
You know now that I think about it-Snyder is the perfect person to helm the Upcoming Liefeld Extreme film universe. Their sensibilities pretty much match up and there's little to no nuance for him to miss out on. His fans would still be able to praise his "technical prowess" or whatever and he'd be free to muck around with a big sandbox.
Bolivar687
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I understand why people don't like his projects but I'm personally grateful they're being made.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I didn't see the light about Zack Snyder until I was already a man, and by then it was nothing to me but blinding!
Monocle
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I don't even think his action scenes are that good. He peaked with 300.
Sin City tho.
Hallelujah?...
... It was as good an adaption as I think you could make, but that doesn't necessarily translate into a great film. I liked it. Didn't love it.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
Watchmen is not "6.5". It is a great adaptation of the novel which even goes to the extent of improving it in some ways.
Elwood Blues
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I don't know why they gave him control in the first place.
Ouch.
Discotheque
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Not a fan of the guy for the most part. Just liked BvS and Dawn of the Dead really but good on yall. To each their own and all that
it's fine to hate these films. Say it as much as you want to that's fine. Im known to not like a lot of output from Disney's marvel for instance. But what are some of you guys accomplishing by always trying to force your opinion to take precedence over theirs. It's embarrassing. Like the dude isn't aware of snyder's bad track record with reviews already? Lmao
Both movies are awful.
CosmicGroinPull
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Only agree for Watchmen and Batman's fight scene in BvS. The warehouse fight, particulary when the camera follows right behind his left hook (I think) was awesome. His fights with Superman though, was hugely disappointing. Just lots of slamming and ramming and heaving each other. And something about their mothers.
BulletBees
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I know. I don't get it.
CassidyIzABeast
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He's like 1 of maybe 5 directors on the planet that doesn't get burnt out by the big budget blockbuster machine?
I don't care what anyone else says Spawn was a fucking awesome movie. You will never convince me otherwise. How anyone could think it is somehow worse than that flaming ball of shit that was Green Lantern is just beyond me.
KOMANI
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I saw Spawn on the list too and was surprised. I feel it's a better film than "Swamp Thing 2" and "Tank Girl".
Screaming Meat
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You're half right. The movie certainly looks the part. Can't argue that. Tragically, it misses any nuance of the book. It wears it's skin but lacks any of its heart, so to speak.
Holy hyperbole Batman! I can understand hating Snyder but how can you hate the Metropolis opening or the Arkham take down?!
CaviarMeths
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Same reason they won't drop the Wachowskis. WB still prides itself as a director-driven studio and will anchor itself to artists even if they drag them down to the bottom of the ocean.
Plus I'm sure Zack is a nice enough dude to work for and is capable of delivering on time and budget without getting too stressed. Really goes a long way. So does co-owning your own production company with your wife.
Metropolis opening was great, outside of the whole company waiting for permission from their boss to evacuate the building when 9/11*100 is happening outside the window. Very tense and horrific. Maybe the best scene in the movie.
Warehouse fight has poor choreography. Great looking beatdowns, but too many goons standing around waiting for their turn to be hit by Batman. Scene would have went completely differently if the 17 guys in that warehouse just all dogpiled him.
This is a problem in a lot of movies though, not specific to Snyder.
Plus I'm sure Zack is a nice enough dude to work for and is capable of delivering on time and budget without getting too stressed. Really goes a long way. So does co-owning your own production company with your wife.
Metropolis opening was great, outside of the whole company waiting for permission from their boss to evacuate the building when 9/11*100 is happening outside the window. Very tense and horrific. Maybe the best scene in the movie.
Warehouse fight has poor choreography. Great looking beatdowns, but too many goons standing around waiting for their turn to be hit by Batman. Scene would have went completely differently if the 17 guys in that warehouse just all dogpiled him.
This is a problem in a lot of movies though, not specific to Snyder.
It's kinda surprising how a lie travels round the world twice before the truth has set off. Also ironic since Batman's been raped in the comic (Talia date raped him).
Buba Big Guns
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Snyder is awful. He's good at shooting fight scenes, not directing movies.
Screaming Meat
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Anung is pretty on point with the '90s view of darkness' comment though. Snyder said:
The irony being, the man helming Watchmen misinterpreted what it was trying to do, just like all the 80s/90s comic book imitators.
People are lucky Snyder did Watchmen. Terry Gilliam wanted Ozymandias to tell Dr Manhattan to undo everything and make it so that it was all a dream and the Minutemen were only comic book characters. Missing squids ain't got shit on Terry Gilliam.
Screaming Meat
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The 'missing squid' is far from the only problem with the Watchmen movie, man.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Man, I just can't agree with that. At all.
People were told to stay indoors during 9/11. I think some building protocols at the time advised staying indoors to protect against falling glass.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/16/september11.usa3?client=safari
2) considering he disabled most of their guns and took out like 8 of them in 10 seconds and they did try to come at him at once. But this is all subjective.
What did he misinterpret about Watchmen? I asked people what was wrong with the ending and they said that blaming Dr Manhattan makes no sense since he was still a US creation. Which I don't get. The US inadvertently created the Taliban with their BS proxy war in Afganistan and when Bin Laden attacked the US on 9/11 didn't the world come together in support of the US?
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