Refreshment.01
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This is Smithsonian preservation material level. I'll have this carved in glass and glued to my monitor so i should never forget. The stuff of legends!
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Wii U clock speeds are found by marcan
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Projectjustice
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Glad to be of service.
there is a learning curve when transitioning to developing on new hardware. I'm currently porting code between different hardware platforms at work, it isn't simply a cut and paste job from one platform to another, its a pain in the ass and it takes a lot of work. the source platform is much "older" and it's still a pain in the ass. it took me some time to learn how to program on this new hardware compared to what I had been working on for the past 5 years.
Thunder Monkey
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JordanN
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Why do you think it's called an estimate? If someone takes it seriously that's their problem, not mine.
And I can most certainly prove myself right...
Uh, why would I do that?
Rush2thestart
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So why not dispute what hes saying then? I've been flying through the pages and I haven't seen you do much but call out people that disagree with you.
Just so you know, there are more examples of how he is right than you are right. All you have to do is look at the first console released in every gen
I thought at first it was intentional, as in, when you are getting fired at by bullets you start to slow down, as anyone actually getting shot would.
But then I saw the 360 and it's yeah.
Moving the goalposts ? First its unfair to compare the Wii U to an old console,
now your admitting its not cutting edge after all ?
Btw I am not really surprised by the weak Wii U tech - check my post history, I consider the Wii U a part of the same gen as 360/ps3.
I am pretty surprised that the cpu is this weak however.
Opus Angelorum
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If you compare Perfect Dark / Halo 4 and Resistance / Killzone 3, the point is valid.
Insane Metal
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WTF??? O_O
Jesus. That is TERRIBLE. I've never seen such a slowdown even on first generation PS3 ports. At least not in games from big companies. I guess this cannot be explained simply by 'different hardware' like it used to be with PS3 vs. 360.
XtremeXpider
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If PS360 is so old and Wii U is so new and advanced (DX10-DX11 like)... why not to port from PC? Is PC "so old" too?
Freedom = $1.05
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In all fairness, the Wii wasn't even capable of running Xbox 1-level games. They're just keeping to tradition.
Refreshment.01
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You are not doing a good job countering my arguments.
Of course there's a market for this thing. Hell, if being cautios enough, Nintendo could live out of it's a quite big and loyal user base. But that's not the issue here.
Did you forgot that the GameCube was a profitable venture for Nintendo? The point is the company can do much better and they will fall below the success the Wii had, at least most certainly in america.
Steve Youngblood
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I know that there's a learning curve. However, do you understand that in the world of video game development, the traditional expectation is that games on newer hardware will look better than games on older hardware? I get that Nintendo didn't go for a powerhouse here. However, for a while there was an expectation that techwise one should expect it to be on par if not a little better than the competition, and nothing -- be it first or third party -- reflects that.
And it's odd that people are pointing towards launch software mediocrity as something that's completely standard for new hardware -- that it's never expected to best the hardware of yesteryear that everyone is used to.
Psychotext
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IT'S CINEMATIC!
fluffydelusions
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Forget current gen. PC will devour anything next gen.
Thunder Monkey
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Two separate teams, with at one point alien hardware, versus hardware that has limitations but runs the engines themselves at a degree of parity are two different things.
There isn't the same degree of mystery in effectively using WiiU that there was effectively using the 360 at launch.
We were talking about entire development pipelines being reworked versus something similar but esoteric in it's own way.
But I wonder if the Xbox 360 version is installed on the HDD.
XtremeXpider
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It is not always true, just remember Metal Gear Solid 2 Xbox version...
It is irrelevant.
Projectjustice
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Im not overshooting, there will be improvements but I know its not going to match what PS3/720 is going to be able to do.
Thats a great example.
Sexually Aggressive Uncle
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freenudemacusers
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Will you do this on page 50 or 80?
Yes, for me it's a shame that I have to go to sleep now when the thread is so awesome.
By that logic, we really have no reason to think that the 720 and PS4 will be any more powerful then the Wii U. If we can only form thoughts based on results.
I'll be honest and say I am very disappointed by the U, and have been for a while (though keeping my mouth mostly shut). But as a simple statement of fact, no, we have not yet seen what the hardware can do when actually fully accessible to devs. Basic aspects of it were locked out. We'll see in the future how it affects things. Maybe it'll have a substantial difference, maybe a small one.
The game wasnt installed - its running off the the dvd.
The video was recorded by my stepson.
CambriaRising
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As you said. Days we counted polygons are now long gone. Right now problem are shaders and FX not polycount and 1 mln poly @ screen is not that much by today standards. GT5 could easly render over 1mln poly any time.
Right now problem is with FX and shadows. SSAO on bigger scale can easly rape any modern hightier GFX card add other effects like indirect lightning and many many many other effects UE4, CE3 is pushing and polycount is least of problems. It would be problem if we would not discover normal maps and bump maping.
Nice hint !! (you just added more fire to the thread)
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
meh... I still contend Super Mario U will look clearly better than any platform made for Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3.
Seeing new games on Wii was usually a letdown because they looked only marginally better than thier last installments on GameCube. Wii U games will look a generation and beyond anything seen on Wii. I mean, if you consider Wii Sports and Nintendoland to be in the same series (mii character games), than its more like two generations better.
Seeing new games on Wii was usually a letdown because they looked only marginally better than thier last installments on GameCube. Wii U games will look a generation and beyond anything seen on Wii. I mean, if you consider Wii Sports and Nintendoland to be in the same series (mii character games), than its more like two generations better.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
What were your expectations?
Opus Angelorum
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I disagree. No matter how standard the design might be on paper, it will always take time for developers to realise all of the potential.
If Rare could 're-make' Perfect Dark 0 today, you can bet it would look and perform substantially better. Same team, much more familiar with the hardware.
Refreshment.01
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Theres no point to argue directly with him since his agenda is pretty clear, hes not being rational at all.
About the second paragraph on your post, answer me this will you judge the jump from hardware available since 2005 to the WiiU as equal to the followings:
Jump from say an Atari 2600 to a NES. From a NES to an Genesis. From a SNES to a PSX. From a N64 to a DreamCAst. From a PS2 to a 360.
What is there to argue Rush2thestart? Judging the console in a vacumm where there isn't any progresion processing power wise for 7 years? I can't believe we are even debating this.
And like i already said, i have no problems with Nintendo taking this route, i have problems with their overall strategy more than anything else.
So, the CPU is slow but the GPU + some good coding should make the lack of CPU horsepower irrelevant then? I am sure the ports will get parity, maybe even improving, plus Nintendo are bound to push all their cash into their own projects but I still don't see them really pushing graphics. A third party will do that for them no doubt.
shinra-bansho
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LMAO. Wow, this thread.
Do it then.
Freezie KO
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It'd be a Kinect game, for one thing.
If that's true, then I wonder how it would perform if run on the Wii U's internal storage medium, rather than disc. I know that with a lot of 360 games they cache large chunks of data in the HDD for quick retrieval. I wonder if BLOPS 2 for Wii U simply hasn't been optimised to fully utilise the functionality of the console itself. It may all just be 'streaming' from the disc. If so, the game's pretty impressive.
JordanN
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I didn't say that.
In whole levels sure. But for actual individual objects? No way.Perkel said:
Ok...? I don't see what this has to do with me.Perkel said:
XtremeXpider
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It is not as easy as this.
Why some people are thinking that "GPGPU" is something "magical"?
Installation is irrelevant, it help in loading times only, not game performance.
lwilliams3
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Actually..sounds like its calling for a new thread. Lol. But do you even agree with that particular "hint" Lherre? People have been using your words for proving how "beast" those results will/should be.
Projectjustice
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When did I say its unfair to compare to old consoles with hardware? I was talking about software and devs experience. We all knew Wii U wont be cutting edge, its better than current consoles but its not going to match what PS4/720 is going to be doing under the hood. We all know this.
Wii U isnt part of the same gen as 360/PS3.
CPU isnt as weak as you think, have you read anything that marcan has said?
Projectjustice
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Would love to hear how Im not being rational at all?
I am still amazed at some of the stuff the 360 comes out with when developers really learn its tricks. I am sure the Wii-U will be no different. I doubt Nintendo will be the ones to do it but someone is bound to do some stunning stuff.
I am sure the GPGPU will be more than capable for those that dedicate enough time to learn to code it. Same as the 360 and PS3. Some developers just put in way more effort than others.
XtremeXpider
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As some B3D user said to me, what Marcam said is "since you can't compare the two by their clock speeds alone you can't use clock speed to claim that it's much worse."
Thunder Monkey
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Yes, but you have to admit it's more than a little disingenuous to assert that games made under a separate set of constraints are in any way applicable to the WiiU situation. You'll see improvements as developers gain insight into the strengths and foibles of any specific hardware design, but the differences between PD0 and Halo 4 are in no way comparable to the mechanical differences in designing first gen WiiU titles and fifth gen WiiU titles.
You're still working under the same toolchains. Just going about them in different ways. Versus throwing out the old rulebook and starting from scratch.
JordanN
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A polygon mesh is pretty self explanatory.
Low poly (hey, even the numbers are there)
High poly (and yes I'm aware there's tessellation also going on)
PSP
"Some simple numbers underline that fact: Resistance Retribution pushed some 50,000 polygons per frame, whereas Golden Abyss is throwing around 260,000."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-02-uncharted-golden-abyss-preview-preview
N64
The site is currently not working but the cache saves the figures (i.e 1980 polygons in Pokemon Stadium 2).
3dmarth.vndv.com/polygonchart.html
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