I'm not sure some people understand the actual implications of 2-3x this generational power in the hands of EAD Tokyo and Retro.
They'll seriously set the bar for HD games.
This is why I'm expecting to see Retro's game at E3.
I'm not sure some people understand the actual implications of 2-3x this generational power in the hands of EAD Tokyo and Retro.
They'll seriously set the bar for HD games.
I'm not sure some people understand the actual implications of 2-3x this generational power in the hands of EAD Tokyo and Retro.
They'll seriously set the bar for HD games.
I'm not sure some people understand the actual implications of 2-3x this generational power in the hands of EAD Tokyo and Retro.
They'll seriously set the bar for HD games.
I really think the description of PS2 to Xbox is accurate. Or Gamecube to Wii.
I'll be comparing WiiU to Wii games as that is Nintendo's jump. They haven't gone PS3 to WiiU they've gone Wii to WiiU
If I'm not wrong it'll be the biggest generational jump yet from console to console.
I'll compare
Mario galaxy 3 to 2
Pikmin3 to 2
Mario Kart 8 to Wii
As they can't be compared to anything else.
3rd parties will cry bitter tears that they can't compete with Nintendo yet all seem to be doing ports which will look not so.good.
On another note, what do people think of RE6? People in the thread think it looks great... I think it looks awful personally!
3rd parties will cry bitter tears that they can't compete with Nintendo yet all seem to be doing ports which will look not so.good.
On another note, what do people think of RE6? People in the thread think it looks great... I think it looks awful personally!
I disagree.
They could of had EAD Tokyo spend the last 3 years developing an engine for all departments to use.
Not that they have of course...
They'd need new engines anyway as the old ones wouldn't cut it this time around. And Galaxy engine is pretty sweet
Let them compare Galaxy to Uncharted
Or Mario Kart to GT5..... that's as retarded as my tag.
I disagree.
They could of had EAD Tokyo spend the last 3 years developing an engine for all departments to use.
Not that they have of course...
They'd need new engines anyway as the old ones wouldn't cut it this time around. And Galaxy engine is pretty sweet
Let them compare Galaxy to Uncharted
Or Mario Kart to GT5..... that's as retarded as my tag.
Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum. People will be comparing their tech to their competitors, and for the first year or two that will be PS3/360/PC/iPad, not the Wii.
I want literally every single nintendo franchise to have at least 1 HD entry next generation, just to see what they do.
I would rather have some you know, new titles.
I am bored of the tired old Nintendo franchises.
I would rather have some you know, new titles.
I am bored of the tired old Nintendo franchises.
I am not going to buy a single game set in the mario universe on the wii U.
I would rather have some you know, new titles.
I am bored of the tired old Nintendo franchises.
I am not going to buy a single game set in the mario universe on the wii U.
LOL. Close enough. Since you have an infant I'll let you slide.
But yeah there definitely seems to be something to it after Li Mu Bai's post essentially said the same thing. Summarizing, if the GPU's "extra functions" are not used then the GPU is moderately more powerful than the current gen. If they are used, then the GPU is noticeably more powerful
Or the "Remember how Nintendo fans thought Wii...".
I don't understand technical mumbo jumbo, but someone told me that more middleware being applied could loosen stress on the processor or something like that.
No, just that the middleware is very CPU intensive. I imagine the middleware in question is the audio middleware we have talked about before. It is totally CPU bound, but Wii U has dedicated audio hardware that could take almost the entire audio load off the CPU if that middleware was updated to use it.So the CPU sucks :/
Wich would be what most people in here with at least half a brain is expecting... DC to N64 is the perfect comparison GRAPHICS wise.
But thanks to the amazing 1st and 2nd party offerings, they will be nowhere near "Dreamcasted" this gen! Just to get this out of the way in before someone wants to mention this...
Wii U = Dreamcast
Xbox 360 = N64
PS3 = PSOne
Xbox 720 = Xbox
PS4 = PS2
One cannot deny that Nintendo could more new core franchises. It's why so many of us are excited about the idea of Miyamoto acknowledging how long its been since he's made a new mascot character since Pikmin.
So to further this analogy...
Have I got that right?Code:Wii U = Dreamcast Xbox 360 = N64 PS3 = PSOne Xbox 720 = Xbox PS4 = PS2
at this rate will be on 6th OT by the time E3 hits; and that is if actually no news leaks out before then...
Nintendo doesn't exist in a vacuum. People will be comparing their tech to their competitors, and for the first year or two that will be PS3/360/PC/iPad, not the Wii.
So to further this analogy...
Have I got that right?Code:Wii U = Dreamcast Xbox 360 = N64 PS3 = PSOne Xbox 720 = Xbox PS4 = PS2
People are going to buy the thing that has the software they want.
In that scenario Wii U is more like the Model 2 arcade board than Dreamcast. Dreamcast absolutely blew the N64 out of the water.
People are going to buy the thing that has the software they want.
In that scenario Wii U is more like the Model 2 arcade board than Dreamcast. Dreamcast absolutely blew the N64 out of the water.
Yet Dreamcast was released only three years after the N64.
Which is what ShockingAlberto said.
I think most casuals right now want touch based games.
So to further this analogy...
Have I got that right?
- Xbox 360 = N64
- PS3 = PSOne
- Wii U = Dreamcast
- Xbox 720 = Xbox
- PS4 = PS2
And the Wii U will have 7 years over the Xbox 360. Sigh, how I long for the olden days of monstrous generational leaps.
Dreamcast effectively was 10x more powerful than the N64, and the PS2 was dramatically more powerful than it. We'll be LUCKY to get a 6 x leap with the Loop/Durango/Orbis. Generational leaps aren't what they used to be.
Well I wasn't talking in 'x' I was talking about perceived difference. Anyway it sounds like Wii U will look superior to current gen.
I think most casuals right now want touch based games.
The perceived difference will be far less than DC to N64. I mean, that made jaws drop when that came out.
I guess we will all enjoy those two or three third party games.
That's not how sales work. People on gaf will certainly do so, but not the majority of the public. Like I've said, most people will initially be attracted or deterred by what's actually offered by the system. People wont see the wii u and immediately start comparing it to other products. They'll begin by considering what's offered, what the system's hook is, and what software is offered. And then they'll ask the question whether they need it or not. That's tangentially related to other products they already own or are considering purchasing, but the product will be judged on what it offers, not by what other products offer.
And yes, if they feel that they get what the Wii U offers on other platforms, of course they'll pass. But that's assuming the Wii U wont offer anything new, which we already know it will. It's not an ipad and it's not a 360. It's a Wii U and people will buy it if they think the software and applications are attractive. They wont if they don't.
This is the same principle behind the original Wii's success. People didn't look at the wii and immediately think "this looks worse than xbox 360." They picked up the controller and thought "this is new." At most, people will pick up the upad and think "this is kinda like an ipad," but only a complete imbecile will think they're similar products, namely because wii u is clearly a gaming console with buttons and circle pads meant to be enjoyed in tandem with a television and the ipad is none of those things.
How do you compare said games though?
It just occurred to me that Apple has really been thinking out of the box on this. Apple didn't become successful by sticking with the preexisting standards and mass market expectations. They created new product lines and found new ways to present technology. If Apple was only making PCs that ran MacOS, you can bet they'd still be way behind MS. MS, conversely, is probably struggling a bit to keep the hardcore gaming audience that has gotten them where they are now while pursuing Bill Gates' long-standing dream of the Ultimate Set-Top Do-It-All-in-One Box. Bill Gates was a good thinker, but is this the right decision for the company?
Then again, we don't even know for sure what form the Xbox v. 3 will even take: a split model template of "hardcore-friendly" and "casual/Kinect"? Only a guns-ablazin' high-end hardcore half-a-dozen-gigs-of-ram megabeast of "x99 US Dollars" proportions? The rumors out there don't even agree on hardly any points.
Nintendo has always tried to find ways to innovate in the console space. They will almost always try out new things well before any other company. Who would be first to implement haptic feedback on their touchscreen controller: Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo? You know the answer.MicroSoNintendo, of course.
This wasn't meant to be an organized series of thoughts. Just my take on the current state of things.
The 'informed' market will buy whatever platform they have already decided to buy and find whatever 'facts' they can to support their platform being the best. I bet there is less than 1 person here on GAF that's hasn't made up their mind already. Unfortunate as that sounds.I'm not necessarily really talking about casuals and sales. I'm talking about comparisons that will be made on places like gaf, and what the 'informed' market will do
Compare similar types of games and engines.
The title will be different ^_^Ooooh, I like this one.
Cool, Anihawk will hate methis is very clearly the best and if it isn't the name then i hate you all
So I think these 2 GPU rumors on the other consoles does push an interesting possibility, I think MS and Sony will end up very close to Wii U in specs, except they will have a second, slower GPU designed mostly for quiet operation for media and most importantly it will be used for OpenCL, There is no need to push higher Gflops if they can actually build a cheaper, quieter box that does things current consoles actually can't do... (that is to say, blades of grass that react naturally to environments, along with hair, paper, explosions, it would take the currently static world of games, and allow for dynamic fidelity, it's something that will look nice but allow just about every game for these systems to be produced on the Wii U (except for extreme cases where physics plays a huge role in the game that can't be done on a pc thanks to millions of particles... but that should be very niche.)
Ehm... Meaningless numbers aside, the Wii U hardware is several generations ahead of the PS360 generation. It's not using 2004/ 2005 technology.The WiiU is a 360 with a great amount of memory, even if the specs are still not closed but don't feel too confident that they'll change a lot. Don't know the precise specs but it's pratically a more capable revision of the actual gen. Instead, i think (but it's just a guess) that PS4 and 720 will play on a different field pushing new hardware being real "next gen".
Ehm... Meaningless numbers aside, the Wii U hardware is several generations ahead of the PS360 generation. It's not using 2004/ 2005 technology.
I'm talking about capabilities and that's what they told me (people that are working on it). They're friends and i don't think they lied but they're designers and not tech whores\programmers so i personally think that game studios can make great things with it with a more modern tech even if the raw power seems similar.
The WiiU is a 360 with a great amount of memory, even if the specs are still not closed but don't feel too confident that they'll change a lot. Don't know the precise specs but it's pratically a more capable revision of the actual gen. Instead, i think (but it's just a guess) that PS4 and 720 will play on a different field pushing new hardware being real "next gen".