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Wii will cost less than 25,000 yen / $250
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OG_Original Gamer
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Maybe Nintendo increased the consoles main memory, put 256 megs of memory in the Wii and all is well, to me.
ghostlyjoe
Member
Sometimes I wonder if anyone on this board is serious: $250 for a Wii is SO OVERPRICED, but 360 is JUUUUUST RIGHT! If you subscribe to this, either you're a Drinky Jr. wannabe troll or you live in a fantasy world (like WOW, for example) or you're just an ass.
A) The value of the Wii's chipset is speculation at this point.
B) The value of Wii's chipset is irrelevent when differentiating the Wii from the GC or XBox
C) Wii's visuals are clearly more capable than XBox, anyway
D) Wii being sold at a profit is a "rip-off" only in the context of MS and Sony selling at a loss, and even then it's quite a stretch.
E) Chipset isn't the only aspect of a console that offers value.
F) Wii will offer distinct advantages (standard, built-in storage, WiFI, more flexible controller, etc.) over it's closest competitor in terms of price, the 360 core pack.
G) All of the above points are moot because, in the real world, $200 is less than $400 is less than $600, and real people judge value according to how much it costs them and what experience they get in return. If Wii is just as much fun at a cheaper price in a smaller, more aesthetically pleasing package, it's a better value regardless of what kind of tech is packed inside.
A) The value of the Wii's chipset is speculation at this point.
B) The value of Wii's chipset is irrelevent when differentiating the Wii from the GC or XBox
C) Wii's visuals are clearly more capable than XBox, anyway
D) Wii being sold at a profit is a "rip-off" only in the context of MS and Sony selling at a loss, and even then it's quite a stretch.
E) Chipset isn't the only aspect of a console that offers value.
F) Wii will offer distinct advantages (standard, built-in storage, WiFI, more flexible controller, etc.) over it's closest competitor in terms of price, the 360 core pack.
G) All of the above points are moot because, in the real world, $200 is less than $400 is less than $600, and real people judge value according to how much it costs them and what experience they get in return. If Wii is just as much fun at a cheaper price in a smaller, more aesthetically pleasing package, it's a better value regardless of what kind of tech is packed inside.
trolling is one thing, but trolling and gloating about it on another forum is lame
http://www.systemwars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28357
http://www.systemwars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28357
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Amir0x said:I guess, if you think most of the rare games will be Nintendo's priority for virtual console
Honestly, I don't see why not: it's like printing free money. 3rd parties, are of course, another question.
typhonsentra
Banned
Wii60 is no more! It's now more expensive than a PS3.
ghostlyjoe
Member
Matlock said:
Getting owned on two forums simultaneously with the same post. Now THAT'S what I call a good value!! :lol
Dragona Akehi said:
I'm guessing 'cause 'printing money' is relative to how many people actually actively seek rare games... especially if they're just gonna cost the same as any other game. I expect all of Nintendo's made games to be there, but the vast majority of those aren't exactly rare.
anotherworld
Banned
250 is still expensive for a shitty console...i want my refund...NO HD, NO 5.1
Larry Bird
Member
:lol brilliantAdagio said:
ghostlyjoe said:
If you honestly, truly can't see the difference in value between a $299 Xbox 360 and a $249 Wii, then Nintendo is probably not concerned about pricing out of your "will buy" range anyway.
I don't think it's a rip-off and I'm gonna buy one too, but considering Nintendo will probably be in the black and Microsoft is giving you a really nice piece of technology with which they take a substantial loss...come on. Nintendo could do better.
Unless the Wii mote is really expensive to produce. That remains to be seen.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Don't you guys know?
All the hip game companies overprice their products nowadays!
Losers.
You just don't get it.
Nobody wants to online game with a bunch of tards who don't wanna pay out the nose for their hobby.
See ya on the flip side, ya jive turkeys!
All the hip game companies overprice their products nowadays!
Losers.
You just don't get it.
Nobody wants to online game with a bunch of tards who don't wanna pay out the nose for their hobby.
See ya on the flip side, ya jive turkeys!
Mark Gonzales
Banned
Umm. What would justify it being more than $250 better yet even $200
Larry Bird
Member
the graphicsMark Gonzales said:
ghostlyjoe
Member
Y2Kevbug11 said:
You're starting from the assumption that the 360 is "oh so much better" than the Wii for only $50 more (and that's cheaper than it costs to manufacture!!!) It seems like a "no duh" situation to you.
But for many, the Wii has a value independent of visual horespower. If it's more fun -- or just as fun for less -- then it wins. That's where I'm coming from.
Edit: You've updated your post. I find your argument somewhat naive: MS is selling at a loss, why can't Nintendo? I shouldn't really have to explain why, as even a rudimentary examination of the companies involved and their individual market strategies yields an obvious answer.
SuperPac
Member
Hassle-free backward compatibility with GameCube (including memory cards -- something neither PS3 nor 360 have with their predecessors), built-in Wifi, less-expensive games, virtual console, Zelda at launch, new Mario soon after, standard removable memory options...this would be worth a $250 price to me, especially if it came with two Wiimotes and a game (Wii Sports/Wii Duck Hunt). If not, $199 would be more in line, but $250 isn't *terrible*.
Mark Gonzales
Banned
Larry Bird said:
True
P.S. Magic was better
Larry Bird
Member
BuddyC said:
149$ + Super Mario Galaly+ all other new game at 29$. It's not worth risking an under permorming console on the market if it's not to taget a larger audiance. That said i think a second wiimote will cost close to 50$.
Not to mention that all those game could be sell again in a handheld based on the same hardware not too far in future.
Product placement, advertisement and old game renting make the possibilily of money from a big installed base of console is better than a high price. nintendo know what it is now to not being in the red but also not making monney from a console, not making money but having renting renenue is better. And if they don't sell it cheap they will not make money at all.
When asked about the life time of the GC at launch everybody dismissed their answer of 10 years, it's now a lot clearer. Of course the CPU and GPU are a tad better now, but the console itself probably cost even less to build than the original GC.
Not to mention that all those game could be sell again in a handheld based on the same hardware not too far in future.
Product placement, advertisement and old game renting make the possibilily of money from a big installed base of console is better than a high price. nintendo know what it is now to not being in the red but also not making monney from a console, not making money but having renting renenue is better. And if they don't sell it cheap they will not make money at all.
When asked about the life time of the GC at launch everybody dismissed their answer of 10 years, it's now a lot clearer. Of course the CPU and GPU are a tad better now, but the console itself probably cost even less to build than the original GC.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
GameCube 1.5 + RAM, weird wireless controller, wifi, flash storage, etc.Count Chocula said:
So if it launches at $200, wait 6 months for it to reach that price. Like N64 and GameCube.
Only slightly. It's been pointed out that by GameCube's first March they'd shipped 3.8 million, and that launch was only Japan and North America.Terrell said:
In 2003 you could get an SNES handheld and GameCube Non-Turbo for the same $99.AniHawk said:
Yes, but its key internal components literally seem to be GameCube's chips going 50% faster with more RAM. It's the best comparison.Adagio said:
That's the kind of thinking that made the $200 GCN seem like a ripoff compared to a $300 PS2.Azazela said:
At the end of March 2002 they'd reported 3.8 million shipped worldwide. By the end of September 2002 it was 6.68 million.Burnst said:
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Truthfully, I think the extra 50 bucks reflects Nintendo's confidence in the Wiimote.
ghostlyjoe said:
Why are you even discussing corporate strategies? Do you work for the corporation? I want what I find to be valuable as a consumer. I don't really care what Nintendo's financial strategy is and neither should you.
And technologically, the 360 is miles beyond the Wii and I cannot believe you are even posing that as some topic of debate. I have no idea what the Wii costs to manufacture, but being that Nintendo is not selling it at a loss (and they never really have sold their hardware for losses), I'm gonna guess it costs less than $200. You said that, not me.
Yes, wii has value independent of its graphical horsepower, but that value is derived from things other than the technical components inside the console that actually contribute to the price of the console. Maybe the Wii is the most fun, most awesome console ever-- those things shouldn't factor into the price. The value of the console with the components indicated (are you not reading the Wii Dolby thread a few threads down) in the machine is where I find my problem. I'm going to wager a bet that the components inside the controller actually cost less than the 360's processor (R&D costs considered for both), but you're going to retort that I'm only assuming a perceived value. Well, thanks for that.
The Wii will have plenty of value for most of you and that's fine. I don't see how you can justify that price against a 360, though-- if you compare what you are getting. The Wii would be more of a value at $200 than $249, especially if it is a bare bones console.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Graphically, maybe, but past GBA and GCN they've really split off handhelds and home consoles in a different way. The wiimote can't totally replicate a stylus, and replicating the wiimote + nunchuk capabilities on a handheld would also be difficult. The closest a handheld can come would be like a PS3 controller with a screen on it. Any movement of the controller will also move the screen, making things like racket swings or aiming a cursor very very different.Quartet said:
Quartet said:
This isn't going to happen though. Nintendo has already gone on record that their Rev games won't be more than 50 dollars. Iwata has said the hardware shouldn't be that much more expensive than their previous hardware (Which points at a $199.99 or $249.99 pricepoint). 3rd parties may even charge $59.99, which would be a mistake.
I personally think $199.99, much less $249.99, is pushing the limits of what Nintendo is offering in what could be perceived as a 5 year old repackaged system with a new controller. I don't own a GC, so this helps cushion the blow, and makes the pricepoint more acceptable. I want Super Paper Mario and Twilight Princess anyway. Why waste 100 bucks on a GC when for about 100-150 more I can get a system that can play all GC games besides Rev games.
ghostlyjoe
Member
Y2Kevbug11 said:
Bold 1: You tied the console's value to how much loss the company takes on its manufacture. Like you point out above, from a consumer standpoint, it's meaningless. $250 is less than $300, thus the Wii is cheaper, meaning the differentiator here is entertainment value. Thus, if Wii is more fun, it's a better value. Corporate strategy is irrelevent. But since you felt compelled to use MS loss-leading as an argument for the console's value, I felt compelled to point out that MS isn't altruistic but is just looking for profit through a different strategy than it's smaller, more focused competitor.
Bold 2: I bought an ice cream cone this afternoon. It cost the vendor less than 25 cents to make. I paid $1.50 for it. I enjoyed it immensely. DId I get ripped off? Should the ice cream vendor have mortgaged his home to offer me the same cone for $0.50 less? Should this vendor just fold up when Dairy Queen moves into town, even if this store offers great-tasting ice cream for less and is more profitable but has fewer topping options? Is this getting convoluted? Are you seeing my point?
ghostlyjoe
Member
Mrbob said:This isn't going to happen though. Nintendo has already gone on record that their Rev games won't be more than 50 dollars. Iwata has said the hardware shouldn't be that much more expensive than their previous hardware (Which points at a $199.99 or $249.99 pricepoint). 3rd parties may even charge $59.99, which would be a mistake.
I personally think $199.99, much less $249.99, is pushing the limits of what Nintendo is offering in what could be perceived as a 5 year old repackaged system with a new controller. I don't own a GC, so this helps cushion the blow, and makes the pricepoint more acceptable. I want Super Paper Mario and Twilight Princess anyway. Why waste 100 bucks on a GC when for about 100-150 more I can get a system that can play all GC games besides Rev games.
Alright ... I bought an ice cream cone this afternoon ... nevermind. You guys are never going to understand. Are benchmarks all you see when you look at a console? Why do even play games?
Mark Gonzales
Banned
Are games going to cost $50+?
i'd buy it at 250 or 200. Either way the games look (and i think a lot of people forget about this part) fun. i don't care how pretty it is. i can live without 5.1 i want fun games, games that will make me think. games that will give me new experiences.
i could care less how many polys and triangles the PS3 grpahics card can crunch. The price point is to high for shit most people could care less about, and the games for the most part have left me wanting.
i'll be with Nintendo on day 1. Something, in over 15 years of gaming, i have never done.
i could care less how many polys and triangles the PS3 grpahics card can crunch. The price point is to high for shit most people could care less about, and the games for the most part have left me wanting.
i'll be with Nintendo on day 1. Something, in over 15 years of gaming, i have never done.
This thread is jumping the gun in a couple issues:
1) We don't know the real Revolution pricepoint yet, or what that package includes
2) We don't know what the 360 will cost in November
The two sku strategy basically allows MS to attack two fronts at once if they choose to do so. The core pack can go for the cheap ass gamers who don't care about the extras of the premium pack (Nintendo's market), and if they price it competitively it could work out great. Then the premium package would be going after Sony's market, add in a HD DVD add on which costs less than the $499.99 PS3 package and MS may have just outsmarted both Nintendo and Sony in this upcoming race.
Err, didn't I say I would be getting one for Super Paper Mario and Twilight Princess. And I don't buy ice cream cones. I get Blizzard's.
1) We don't know the real Revolution pricepoint yet, or what that package includes
2) We don't know what the 360 will cost in November
The two sku strategy basically allows MS to attack two fronts at once if they choose to do so. The core pack can go for the cheap ass gamers who don't care about the extras of the premium pack (Nintendo's market), and if they price it competitively it could work out great. Then the premium package would be going after Sony's market, add in a HD DVD add on which costs less than the $499.99 PS3 package and MS may have just outsmarted both Nintendo and Sony in this upcoming race.
Err, didn't I say I would be getting one for Super Paper Mario and Twilight Princess. And I don't buy ice cream cones. I get Blizzard's.
