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Will Horizon Burning Shores Win best technical achievement/graphics of 2023?
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Gameplay Gods Bless
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No that will be Phantom Liberty Path Traced or Alan Wake 2 path traced.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Where's your profile pic from? Looks like an anime perhaps.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
So what? That shouldn't stop people from levying fair criticism.
First of all, Elden Ring is a cross-gen title. Secondly, the game never really looks like shit; it might not be cutting edge but artistry throughout is first-rate. Below is a failure at both the artistic and technical level.
Bro, it really isn't. There are many parallels with my personal GOTY FFXVI. There's a great game for many and I love the combat and narrative, but I would never deny the mediocre visuals present in numerous areas of the game as well as some of the outdated game design choices that take away from the experience. Literally same issues as Starfield.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Spider-Man 2 identical to the previous two games? Now I've heard it all...
ANYWAY ... Burning Shores currently has it, but I'm waiting to dissect Alan Wake 2, Spider-Man 2 and, perhaps, Modern Warfare III will bring things back to what MW2019 did. Also, don't sleep on Dead Island 2...
ANYWAY ... Burning Shores currently has it, but I'm waiting to dissect Alan Wake 2, Spider-Man 2 and, perhaps, Modern Warfare III will bring things back to what MW2019 did. Also, don't sleep on Dead Island 2...
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ChiefDada
Gold Member
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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You're sleeping on Alan Wake 2, mate.
edit: Actually nvm, I saw you mentioned AW2 in your follow up posts.
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
PC version will look crazy. I’m not all that interested in the game but I will probably pick it up just to see how good it looks maxed out.
T0minator
Member
Final game didn't end up looking like that, if you played it you would know.no
The details from far away and from up close in Horizon are well above average in the industry. Maaaaybe Spider-Man 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 will have moments that are better, but overall package Horizon Burning Shores this is year has some incredible moments deserving recognition
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
And lulz @ Strarfield. Yeah, it has its moments, but it is very inconsistent and, in my eyes, doesn't belong in a 'best of the year' graphics show. Its bad NPCs, for example, are bad! Better looking games this year that are out and coming out!
T0minator
Yeah, its texture maps, AF, and character models are some of the best out there! That last pic you posted, for example.... Nothing this year looks as good!
T0minator
Yeah, its texture maps, AF, and character models are some of the best out there! That last pic you posted, for example.... Nothing this year looks as good!
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Final game didn't end up looking like that, if you played it you would know.
The details from far away and from up close in Horizon are well above average in the industry. Maaaaybe Spider-Man 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 will have moments that are better, but overall package Horizon Burning Shores this is year has some incredible moments deserving recognition
path traced cyberpunk is simply next level
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Because it is full raster/no RT I expect minimal PC gains. In fact, I think most mid-range PC builds will struggle with VRAM and/or asset decompression but we'll see.
Insane Metal
Member
No, Alan Wake 2 will.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Pathtraced Cyberpunk is ridiculous. Yes!
Lokaum D+
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imagine this made by Bethesda.
call bird - loading....
dive into water - loading...
get ou the water - loading...
get out the bird - loading...
call bird during fight while lots of explosion - game crash
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bitbydeath
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That’s not true at all.
Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim were all amazing both in what they did and in graphics.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Don’t be shocked if they add RT like Returnal did
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Nothing released this year looked better overall.
We will see what Space Marine 2 and Alan Wake 2 do.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
Nothing released this year looked better overall.
We will see what Space Marine 2 and Alan Wake 2 do.
Pop-in aside, the only thing holding it back imo is GI. It's just too bright for my liking. Even just RT shadows without RT bounce lighting would yield amazing results. Still top 5 graphics this gen though.
iHaunter
Member
Looks like something out of last gen IMHO.
Schmendrick
Member
CP2077 + DLC + overdrive mode is pretty much unbeatable on a technological level this year.
Audiophile
Gold Member
Just for the clouds alone.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Technological — perhaps. Visual is another story. Horizon has its environments and character models beat. Easy.
Audiophile
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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Remember when the first Spiderman 2 gameplay came out the speculation was that it had RT shadows? Is that even in the game now because they bragged about RT reflections but I didn't hear any mention of shadows?
Hope so but I doubt it. Wonder why that came up to begin with ..
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
PC, Cyberpunk wins. PS5 Horizon wins. Xbox Redf...nvm. Both Cyberpunk and Horizon are kings, stop putting them up against each other. They both do amazing stuff on their own and are ahead of every other game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It's not as impressive ingame, yes, until you get to the big setpiece moments which are next gen as fuck. especially considering we didnt get them at all last gen and consdering how ragnorak straight up skipped them.
they will definitely put it in the picture for best technical achievement despite the mediocre graphics elsewhere in the game.
That didnt stop TLOU2 from beating out Ghost of Tsushima, Cyberpunk and Spiderman miles in 2020. Linear or not, graphics fidelity is what matters.
This I can agree with. There are some really shoddy areas in cyberpunk even on PC and i played this in overdrive mode. However, in terms of tech, a massive standalone expansion designed from the ground up around Path Tracing will definitely get some eye balls. im sure spiderman 2 will be in the top 5 or top 10, but i dont see it beating out cyberpunk.
avatar's latest downgrade has me worried but the pc footage from gamescom still looks amazing and the ps5 footage from fidelity mode looked stunning too. i have no idea why they chose to show off the 60 fps performance mode on consoles in a story trailer but i think thats why it looked so underwhelming. starfield truly shines on PC. I feel bad for you lot playing it on the xsx. I have a feeling avatar will go the same way.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
bad npcs shouldnt be a barometer to judge a video game's graphics.And lulz @ Strarfield. Yeah, it has its moments, but it is very inconsistent and, in my eyes, doesn't belong in a 'best of the year' graphics show. Its bad NPCs, for example, are bad! Better looking games this year that are out and coming out!
Yeah, its texture maps, AF, and character models are some of the best out there! That last pic you posted, for example.... Nothing this year looks as good!
there are bad NPCs in the best looking game of last gen.
there are ugly as sin children in AC valhalla
there are bad looking NPCs in cyberpunk.
FF16 has some stunning looking character models and some straight up lifted from the ps3 era.
Find me an open world game, and i will find you ugly NPCs.
The quest givers and main character models are pretty decent and a massive upgrade over their last game. And thats what matters in a game where you are constantly talking to characters face to face.
BbMajor7th
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To me, a technical achievement is about more than graphics alone. Cyberpunk's path tracing is impressive, but it's really just adding brute force and AI upscaling to implement a very bonkers version of what's already out there.
For me, Tears of the Kingdom is a far more technically impressive feat.
For me, Tears of the Kingdom is a far more technically impressive feat.
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HeWhoWalks
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No one said NPCs were a barometer (in fact, I said for example). They should be included, particularly if they stand out in an extreme way, be it good or bad. Horizon is partially so praised because its NPCs look so good. And sure, plenty of games have poor NPCs, but Starfield's are particularly bad and it's no coincidence that so many people make fun of them/highlight how poor they are. And that doesn't consider other things that I feel hurt it, such as poor lighting and low res textures in plenty of the environments.
That doesn't mean it's a bad looking game overall, but there are others that are clear steps ahead in every area.
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ChiefDada
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EDMIX
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Pimpbaa
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Insomniac games look better in their performance modes. They also handle 30fps better than Guerrilla Games too (maybe better motion blur, I’m not sure why). Also their 40fps mode basically uses performance modes settings but at a higher resolution, whereas in Insomniac games are full fidelity at 40fps. I mean Forbidden West and it’s expansion look amazing, it’s just behind other Sony releases in those technical issues I just mentioned. So for 2023, Spider-Man 2 is gonna be the better looking game in motion.
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ShadowkillXNA
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Quiet, the grown ups are talking.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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HFW should win it. I'm still floored whenever I see it running on my PS5.
Cyberpunk with Path Tracing should also win as well, looks godly on my 4090. It's a toss up for me, whichever one of these games win will be great for me. CDPR and Guerrilla are technical wizards.
I haven't played Spiderman 2 yet but looking at what Insomniac has been able to do with it on PS5 they should also be considered for a win.
Cyberpunk with Path Tracing should also win as well, looks godly on my 4090. It's a toss up for me, whichever one of these games win will be great for me. CDPR and Guerrilla are technical wizards.
I haven't played Spiderman 2 yet but looking at what Insomniac has been able to do with it on PS5 they should also be considered for a win.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
For lighting, sure. But textures/materials and geometry are the other two inputs in the graphics equation and CP ranges from average to below average in both these areas. Even the path-traced lighting sometimes isn't enough to greatly overpower baked GI from large studios with great talent and resources.
Musashipan
Member
No
Not even top 3
Not even top 3
