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Will You Be Buying Google Stadia?
- Thread starter jshackles
- Start date
- E3 - Stadia Connect
Quezacolt
Member
No, we do see the potential. the potential of games being lost forever if they are made exclusively for streaming, the potential of publishers being even more shady just to get more money from us, not owning what we pay for, input lag, lower image quality than running on actual hardware and so on. there are some benefits to it, ofc, but they are so small compared to the cons, that there's no chance i would ever give it a try.
jakinov
Member
I assume though the number of freebies won't just be one and It'll be similiar to Gamepass (but not as big of a library) eventually. Like right now on PC if I want to play a specific MS game I'll pay for gamepass instead of dishing out $60-80 and hating it. For my younger family members; if I wanted to give them access to multiple games a subscription would be a nice way to do it because I can just unsubscribe later. I do that with Gamepass once in a while.
Also, I don't think Google would force you to have 4 subscriptions to do split screen.
Pachi72
Member
If you want to stream at 4K using Google Stadia and have a data cap, you're going to want know that Stadia 4K streaming will use 1TB of data in 65 hours. The calculation comes way of PC Gamer, who figured out that if Google provides 60fps 4K streaming with a bitrate of 35Mbps that means it will use 15.75GB of data per hour. If you stream at 1080p 60fps, the bandwidth drops to 20Mbps, so you'd use 9GB per hour. If you're fine with 720p 60fps, then you'll only use 4.5GB per hour because the bitrate will only be 10Mbps.
Of course, almost nobody is going to be streaming at 720p 60fps. Most will stream either at 4K or 1080p. If you're in the former camp and have a 1TB data cap, you can only game on Stadia for 65 hours a month, assuming you don't use your Internet for anything else. Meanwhile, if you decide to keep things more simple with 1080p resolution, then you'll get 113 hours of streaming per month, again assuming no other data is being used. The reality is, we all use the Internet, so both of those numbers will be a bit lower if you don't want to exceed your cap.
Of course, almost nobody is going to be streaming at 720p 60fps. Most will stream either at 4K or 1080p. If you're in the former camp and have a 1TB data cap, you can only game on Stadia for 65 hours a month, assuming you don't use your Internet for anything else. Meanwhile, if you decide to keep things more simple with 1080p resolution, then you'll get 113 hours of streaming per month, again assuming no other data is being used. The reality is, we all use the Internet, so both of those numbers will be a bit lower if you don't want to exceed your cap.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
what a stupid poll.
i'll MAYBE try it out depending on the pricing strategy.
if it's a monthly subscription for say £10-15/month with access to all titles then sure sign me the fuck right up. if i need to pay for games individually then No google can go take a fuck to themselves.
streaming is a big step backwards and unless Google offer a big step forward then it makes no sense.
from what i'm hearing you need to buy individual games. that's stupid. why would i want to do that? right now it seems it's only aimed at delusional console owners who want a better experience (visually + performance wise) but are too shit poor to afford a proper gaming PC.
i'll MAYBE try it out depending on the pricing strategy.
if it's a monthly subscription for say £10-15/month with access to all titles then sure sign me the fuck right up. if i need to pay for games individually then No google can go take a fuck to themselves.
streaming is a big step backwards and unless Google offer a big step forward then it makes no sense.
from what i'm hearing you need to buy individual games. that's stupid. why would i want to do that? right now it seems it's only aimed at delusional console owners who want a better experience (visually + performance wise) but are too shit poor to afford a proper gaming PC.
fast_taker
Member
Absolutely not
Dynasty8
Member
Games being lost forever is something they'll have to address. But I just don't see it happening where you pay $60 and a game is no longer available to play. You guys can call me naive, but I'm not defending Google, they will have to address this concern.
My biggest concern is like you said. Input lag and image quality. They are promising consistent 4k/60fps on a 35 meg connection with no input lag. I also did say in my previous post IF they can deliver on that promise. So we will see, but regardless, this will end up happening. The question is when will it become flawless? A buddy of mine tried the beta during last October, said it worked perfectly, but again, that was 1080p.
I am on the same boat as a lot of you. Skeptical. But if you guys own a Xbox One or PS4 controller or even a mouse and keyboard (which I'm sure everyone does), what is the risk of trying it? Everyone can access this on a chrome browser or smart TV with the free version that gives you 1080p/60fp. You can always try out some of the free titles like Destiny 2 New Light without any risk.
The free title is not free you have to subscribe, and most people could have played Destiny 2 a long time ago for free without streaming.
Its a solution to a problem that doesn't exist which actually causes problems.
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Dynasty8
Member
Disagree with your last comment. For someone like me who doesn't want to spend over $1k on a PC, it's a complete solution. I play A LOT of Destiny on console right now (at 30fps currently).
If I can get the complete Destiny 2 experience, along with some other games that interest me, with 4k/60fps at $10 a month, sign me up. No hardware needed. I can play on my smart TV at home, then continue at my office computer/laptop, go to a friend's house and continue immediately from there on their TV or on my phone. It might be a solution to a problem that doesn't exist for you, but I guarantee this will be the biggest and best solution for most consumers who game casually.
Again this is all assuming it works flawlessly.
It's no risk at all to someone like me who pays $5 a month for PSN. The PS4 hardware is showing its' age as well...just loading up the inventory in Destiny takes forever. Stadia can solve a lot of these issues for console players who simply don't want to invest in a PC.
Well, that's the thing... you're still going to be paying for it ($1k on a PC), its just the PC won't be at your house, hint, the lease is going to cost more than buying, eventually.
Assuming that its on par with native playing, which its not, and for most people probably significantly downgrade.... its going to generally cost more for equal processing you can do on your own, generally speaking. You're still investing in a PC (or a processor), but now you are just leasing which is generally going to be more expensive for the end user.
I would probably suggest a Windows Virtual Desktop (game streaming) provider over this... because at least its possible to get your games out. Each their own though.
There is no free lunch.
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VisualFidelity
Member
ahh thanks for clarification. If every game is 4k 60fps at pro, I think its def worth it assuming latency is acceptable
baphomet
Member
Yes, if you're going to be using 4 of their servers to do split screen you're going to have to have 4 accounts each with the game purchased.
And don't expect a free game library. They'll almost certainly be timed free games that fall off the service after a set duration. You're definitely not paying for pro one month and having access to all the "free" games that they've given out in the past.
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EverydayBeast
ChatShitGPT Alpha 0.001
I'm all for streaming but will probably be a late adopter.
Dynasty8
Member
Help me understand how the lease will eventually cost more.
An average decent gaming PC to run 4k, 60FPS, with a good monitor will be around $1,200. After about 5 years, the specs on that rig will be almost irrelevant with newer games, no? It would require additional cost to upgrade, fix any issues that may occur, etc. And let's be real, it's not really cheap to upgrade your graphics card.
Let's also look at consoles. $400 plus tax for a PS4 Pro or Xbox One X that run almost all their games at 30fps. $60 a year for their online services, and you have to commit to a year to get that price, monthly would cost $10 per month. After five years, you have spent more than $700, probably more if your console bricked on you during that five year period. Let's also not ignore the fact that after a few years, these consoles stop getting supported. Basically your "lease" is done, then you have the option to lease the next model.
Stadia Pro is $10 a month. You don't commit to anything long term and can cancel anytime. Even if you have it running for five years straight, that "lease" price cost you half of what your PC cost. All of it looking better and running better than consoles.
Once again, assuming all this works flawlessly. We won't know until we see it.
jakinov
Member
I see, I thought they were going to cycle out a list of games. Not do the PS+ XBLG route.
I don't see anything confirmed if you'd need to own the game multiple times in the same house on same stream. I would assume they would just absorb the cost to offer a better/affordable user experience if it's a mode meant to utilize the same game. I don't think allocating extra instances when people are playing split-screen is going to hurt them much in the greater scheme of things. There likely won't be a lot of people using that feature all the time to make an impact and Google will likely have large pools of idle hardware sitting there anyways.
Well said. If this works perfectly, for me, Stadia is the perfect solution at an acceptable price.
Bolivar687
Banned
Fox Mulder
Member
I just don't have a reason to jump on board when I'm fine with a PS4 and next gen is coming.
Still, I hope the tech works and streaming keeps improving, why not?
Still, I hope the tech works and streaming keeps improving, why not?
ChuckeRearmed
Member
TheDuskwalker
Member
The chances of me buying the Stadia is the same as my chances of hooking up with Margot Robbie.
CJY
Banned
This thing is going to be an unmitigated disaster.
you can remote play from anywhere in the world.
CyberPanda
Banned
CyberPanda
Banned
Lunatic_Gamer
Gold Member
Nope.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
No.
Google are shady fuckers and have said nothing about patches.
Say I buy a game for £60, exclusive to Stadia and it's a buggy mess. Where's the insentive for the company to patch that game in a quick amount of time? Complain too much and the game is taken offline and you lose your money forever.
EA, Activision, Bethesda, Ubisoft. All these scummy bastards would have a field day.
Google are shady fuckers and have said nothing about patches.
Say I buy a game for £60, exclusive to Stadia and it's a buggy mess. Where's the insentive for the company to patch that game in a quick amount of time? Complain too much and the game is taken offline and you lose your money forever.
EA, Activision, Bethesda, Ubisoft. All these scummy bastards would have a field day.
Tarin02543
Member
You will still need to pay for your high speed internet connection which your paradisiac island won't have.
So it offers a better experience (visually and performance wise) at less cost than a powerful gaming PC?
If I wasn't interested before, I am now.
zenspider
Member
I was pretty open minded about the Stradia and not as skeptical about the tech as folks here seem, but that pricing model makes no sense to me.
Maybe when the hardware is cheaper and the subscription has games I care about I'll bite, for now it seems like an edge case solution to a problem I have covered.
Maybe when the hardware is cheaper and the subscription has games I care about I'll bite, for now it seems like an edge case solution to a problem I have covered.
apocaliptic
Member
Paying a monthly subscription on top of buying the game? No thank you. The service will always have some issues streaming games especially at 4k. And when the service is not profitable enough for Google, they will close it as they have done with dozens of other services.
RockAndRollRaking
Neo Member
Hell yes. Im the target market. Already deep in the Google smart home ecosystem, too time poor since kids to justify £400 on a console I'll buy games for 2/3 times a year. Happy with "good enough", I'm not a twitch gamer.
RockAndRollRaking
Neo Member
Do you not buy any games console then? Literally all of them work with a paid online sub, Stadia at least has a free online option. And you could have three years of Pro for less than the cost of a new console.
Really don't get this argument?
danielberg
Neophyte
Whats there not to get? Its a individual decision based on cost calculation, just think about how long you expect to play with the console how many years and look up the cost of the sub over that time span.. for some it will be more for some less.
Just with that info alone people will decide differently and thats not even counting the other pros and cons.
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Sorcerer
Member
I am a bit confused. Google says no hardware but then I read you need the Chromecast Ultra? So is the ultra a requirment?
For a tv I believe you need a Chromecast Ultra but a laptop or tablet etc, you only need a chrome browser. I could be wrong, but that's my understanding.
