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Windows 8 Gaming Performance (benchmarks inside)
- Thread starter mik83kuu
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I think that's a good stance. It's a $40 upgrade though. I think that's more than a fair price for an OS update (especially if boot up, general computing, etc. performance increases).
I'm most worried what happens if Windows 8 is a success sales wise and the built in app store really takes off.
In a few years when MS has a very successful app store that the overwhelming majority of users use, will they really have that much incentive to include legacy start menu in Windows 9? And then you will have your true tablet OS on a desktop and a true closed platform.
Is this not a valid concern?
In a few years when MS has a very successful app store that the overwhelming majority of users use, will they really have that much incentive to include legacy start menu in Windows 9? And then you will have your true tablet OS on a desktop and a true closed platform.
Is this not a valid concern?
It's a valid concern but hey, we can stick to Windows 7 for the next 10 years+
digita1alchemy
Member
The amount of willful ignorance in every single Windows 8 thread is depressing. I think I'll stop clicking on them.
You can use DOS in Windows 8.
alexandros
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But isn't the current situation worse? Not only do you have to design an application for two different interfaces, you practically have to develop two different versions (Metro version and desktop version if you want to maximize your potential audience). I could be wrong of course, if there are any developers here I'd love to hear their thoughts on this.
I think my only big issue will be that, unless 8 has controller support, I won't be able to start up in desktop, so whenever I go make a "steambox" with BPM I'll still have use kbm to get to the desktop. Sounds like it's not much of a problem, but I would like complete controller support without the need of using kbm when I start and shut it off.
plagiarize
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if windows 8 doesn't take off, and Apple's way of doing things continues to take off, won't this happen anyway?
if customers want that model, it will come to pass... whether windows 8 succeeds or not.
alexandros
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It is. Paul Thurrott even says so in a recent arcticle:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/start-windows-8-era-begins-144002
Damn Valve fanboys, they're everywhere!
plagiarize
Banned
but RT has the desktop and comes preinstalled with desktop versions of Office. also, i'd be surprised if they only sell a handful of the RT versions of Surface. we'll see what pricing is like.
the problem with RT isn't that it doesn't have a desktop (because it does) it's that desktop software can only be bought through the official store over in Metro land. i'm sure microsoft would love this, yes, but again the failing of Windows 8 isn't going to stop this happening if consumers continue to not give a shit about it, and Apple continue to eat more and more of the market as a result.
Now it coming to pass is more inevitable than ever. MS and Apple's business models will get closer and closer until we can't vote with our wallets anymore.
What oh what will happen to my steam games.
It would be awesome to control Metro with the 360 controller that always sits beside my couch.
plagiarize
Banned
nothing.
lastflowers
Banned
I wouldn't trust Paul Thurott. Microsoft makes a lot of money off of legacy support. A LOT.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
Yeah, it's much better to pay 66% more later on.
plagiarize
Banned
he's actually a fan of Windows 8 overall. not that you'd know that from that selective quote though. here's one from his summary:
I hope you're right. A lot can happen in 10+ years and I worry about them.
Windows 8 isn't some new magical platform, it's still very much based on Windows 7 core standards except it has WDDM 1.2 support. Drivers will improve at the same rate as Windows 7 drivers still are, doubt you'll see any major performance increases. Drivers just suck because they are still working with new-feature kinks.
plagiarize
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well you should be worrying about Valve then, not about Microsoft.
MrNyarlathotep
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Yeah, but it's security in the 'police state' sense of the word, not the 'price of liberty is eternal vigilance' one.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Fruit Ninja's pretty sweet.
Sorry, I haven't used the start menu apps once.
Yeah. GAF is apparently the least knowledgeable community there is regarding Win8. Weird.
My games have been running better on Win8 as well by the way. Especially BF3.
It would be so much nicer if most people didn't just regurgitate everything Valve and Blizzard say. I wish MS had released a free version of the OS for people to preview so they could form their own opinions.
OH WAIT
"Hey, guys. It's really cheap right now, so you know it's going to be reallllllly good!
"Said no one.
It's like W7 is your first OS you worked with, kid. Chill out.
Uno Venova
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I've noticed this happening a lot on gaming side windows 8 threads, people get a little to defensive over it. It just isn't appealing to a lot of people.
How do you disable metro? Haven't tried the RTM but I tried one of the earlier previews and I don't think it was possible then, metro was one of my main dislikes. May be tempted to give Windows 8 a try again if it can be turned off.
How do you turn off Metro?
plagiarize
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which is fair enough. gaming performance is good though.
Vane_MagicCity
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"Hey, guys. It's really cheap right now, so you know it's going to be reallllllly good!
Said no one.
It's like W7 is your first OS you worked with, kid. Chill out.
I am probably older than you are and have been using Windows since 3.1. Don't call me a kid.
My point is, if you know it's going to be updated and turn out just fine, you should save money by buying it when it's cheap. When has Windows ever been $40 to upgrade?
Delusibeta
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He's the thing. The desktop in RT is 100% pointless. Microsoft will not accept direct downloads of desktop apps for RT in the store. The desktop only exists because they haven't got Office running on Metro yet. Once they have, I would expect an update for RT which replaces Office with the Metro version and removes the desktop wholesale. I am concerned that if this transition succeeds, the desktop will be phased out in Windows 9, rendering every major digital distributor bankrupt.
I'm buying W8, but I really don't understand the horizontal scrolling (even on a tablet). With vertical scrolling I can scroll with my thumb and still grip the tablet, and my mouse wheel works intuitively.
I hope we will ultimately be able to control the start screen with a 360 pad though. From power on straight into Borderlands 2 with just a controller would be nice.
I hope we will ultimately be able to control the start screen with a 360 pad though. From power on straight into Borderlands 2 with just a controller would be nice.
SturokBGD
Member
About that...
I work for a major financial company. All of our independent advisors all across the country have to either run XP natively, or XP Mode on Windows 7, because the vendor that provides the software they use to run their business still after many years haven't brought their application up to speed. And the amusing thing is, by all accounts we're actually ahead of the game.
Your desktop isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
I don't think Windows 8 deserves the flack it's getting. I've been running it exclusively on my desktop since the Consumer Preview (now on RTM) and it's been nothing but a smooth experience.
I use Metro as a start menu replacement, but beyond that I never use Metro apps. You don't have to, and I don't know why people seem to think it's necessary.
Other than the start menu now being fullscreen, the rest of the experience is only improved upon/completely standard with Windows 7.
I use Metro as a start menu replacement, but beyond that I never use Metro apps. You don't have to, and I don't know why people seem to think it's necessary.
Other than the start menu now being fullscreen, the rest of the experience is only improved upon/completely standard with Windows 7.
razgriz417
Member
See no real reason to spend money and time upgrading my OS when 7 is working perfectly fine right now. I've always been a 1 OS per build kind of guy, and my current rig is only 8 months old, will be skipping 8 as I did Vista for 9 in a few years when I need to upgrade
Don't care if it doesn't offer better gaming performance. All that matters to me is performance in game. Nothing else.
Vane_MagicCity
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Nevermind, I misread.
Because Windows 7 actually offers a lot of benefits over Windows XP for gamers, like native DirectX 10+, WDDM 1.1 which alleviates driver related BSODs, much better memory mangement which has helped in a fair few games and stability issues. Does XP even support SLI properly? Plus a real native 64Bit OS that isn't some retrofitted Server abomination.
EDIT: Dammit
Haha, thanks to this thread, I finally decided to try out the RC for Windows 8.
I'll post my opinion after actually checking out the OS.
I actually did that recently as well and I have to say I really like it. It can look really damn close to Win 7 if you want it to. The Metro stuff was pretty good, though. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would.
Doesn't mean I'm buying 8 the day it comes out or anything because 7 is doing well for me, but sometime in the next year, yeah, sure.
I understand why Gabe and Notch have their balls in a twist, though. No, not their stated reasons, but what's obviously underneath them. The built-in app/games store on 8 is pretty goddamn slick and easy to use. It will take a little spotlight off third party game clients for sure.
GayForMaster
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Yeah I found the desktop.... but what the fuck is the point of that stupid tablet shit? I wanna feel like I'm using a computer, not a windows phone or any smartphone in general.
Sure, but lets be honest.. we're discussing benchmarks for an operating system that isn't even available in retail yet. Its just asking for the crazies to show up and scream at the clouds.
I guess my main point was that we should simply wait a bit before freaking out is all.
Don't worry, many of us were deeply concerned about Windows 8 and what it represents even before those people voiced their opinion.