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Wired: Hardcore Console Gamers Dont Want Much, Just the Impossible
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BlazingDarkness
Member
We just want something that plays games as its main function, not much to ask for, is it?
Don't worry, I'm sure Microsoft will show games being played on the Xbox One eventually.
SolsticeZero
Banned
Added a bit to that for you. I don't mind if it does a shit ton of other things. But games better be the main focus
Karsticles
Member
I don't know how much confidence I can put in the opinion of someone who still buys cable TV to understand market trends. Especially when a menu can be "infinitely" more appealing than another menu.
It's not about whether it plays games, it's about how much of what you're paying for is the "gaming" aspect of the machine. I have a Wii U, and I would be much happier if the system cost $100 less and came without the damn Gamepad. It does nothing for me. I tolerated the cost because I know Nintendo makes great software, and some good stuff is coming from Platinum Games. If the PS4/XBone cost ~$500 each, they really need to show me that it's worth spending that much to play their games.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I buy this. Well, except I'd say the issue would be that not enough people would be interested in paying for it.
intheinbetween
Member
every gamer's wet dream
Unless I'm missing something they already said exactly what you are saying and then go on to say why it's not viable anymore.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Reads like Xbox One specs damage control
That's what they were meaning. They were saying that they aren't cutting edge with their graphics like they once were.
badcrumble
Member
I'm pretty sure all of the consoles have plenty of media-box functionality in addition to gaming, and most people are just fine with that. Wired is attacking a straw man.
Dictator93
Member
far from. I enjoy my tweaking, hardware, software options, and SDK modding.
victimroyalty
Banned
Pretty much. I don't want apps, streaming, and other junk.
BlazingDarkness
Member
It is viable - the console business isn't 'dead' or even shrinking, when platforms struggle it's for reasons other than that it's a game console.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Yeah, after you got through all the TV and other non-gaming related stuff.
Felix Lighter
Member
Never mind
flabberghastly
Member
Bullshit. Anyone who absolutely demands the highest levels of graphical output isn't frothing at the mouth for a console. If they are, they're hopelessly delusional about what PCs can achieve and have achieved for so long.
I look at systems like the NES, the SNES, the PS1, the PS2, etc, and I don't see the absolute latest graphics for their respective times. I see self-contained systems that were relatively affordable and completely or at least largely focused on a singular goal: playing a large number of incredible games.
That's what I want.
I look at systems like the NES, the SNES, the PS1, the PS2, etc, and I don't see the absolute latest graphics for their respective times. I see self-contained systems that were relatively affordable and completely or at least largely focused on a singular goal: playing a large number of incredible games.
That's what I want.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
It definitely does.
I'm sure the market of people that are cable TV enthusiasts and are just bursting at the seams for an additional product they can install between their TV and cable box which will overlay a third interface on top of the existing two (TV/set top box) is a huge and profitable one.
More targeted products (more powerful, more interesting first party) are available, that's why the Xbone isn't all that interesting to most hardcore gamers.
PS3 and 360 are not gaming only boxes.
PS3 is used as my main Blu-Ray/DVD player, music player in the living room, showing photos on a big screen when extended family is over and downloaded movies/shows. Sometimes quick webbrowsing.
Need I say I dont watch live TV or live sports? I realize that other people do and MS needs those features. I just dont get the huge focus on TV.
I like the look of the system, the controller and even the OS and fast switching looked amazing.
But NFL, fantasy football and cable TV wont work here in Sweden, and Im not interested.
What are they talking about?
PS3 is used as my main Blu-Ray/DVD player, music player in the living room, showing photos on a big screen when extended family is over and downloaded movies/shows. Sometimes quick webbrowsing.
Need I say I dont watch live TV or live sports? I realize that other people do and MS needs those features. I just dont get the huge focus on TV.
I like the look of the system, the controller and even the OS and fast switching looked amazing.
But NFL, fantasy football and cable TV wont work here in Sweden, and Im not interested.
What are they talking about?
Impeccable
Member
Gaming is dead again?
He seems to be presupposing that creating a satisfying game box requires the kind of investments Sony and MS made with PS3 and 360.
Not so.
He also seems to suppose that creating a good all-in-one box requires 'breaking some eggs' - sacrifices on game performance.
Not so.
Microsoft's 'sacrifices' ultimately turned out not to be necessary. It gave them guaranteed capability back when Xbox One was on the drawing board, but their approach turned out to be conservative and there were what turned out to be better alternatives that would have maintained extra-gaming capability while increasing gaming performance.
I can already watch TV and don't need an Xbox in order to do so. But yes, I do want a dedicated gaming system, with any other features in the background. Thankfully, that is what the PS4 is looking to offer, so I guess Sony is indeed achieving 'the impossible' as far as my needs go. Enjoy watching Game of Thrones on your Xbox, I'll just tune in to the HBO service that I already subscribe to on Sunday nights.
WrenchNinja
Member
So what do you need an Xbox One for if you can already do these things?
Haunted
Member
The premise seems to be built on strawman arguments.
edit: or maybe it's just not targeted at me. PC is for me as is. Not sure of these console only hardcore gamers really exist, though. Wanting anything superpowered but being unwilling to game on PC is basically an irreconcilable juxtaposition to me.
edit²: or maybe this is not a strawman but just a very American perspective on things.
edit: or maybe it's just not targeted at me. PC is for me as is. Not sure of these console only hardcore gamers really exist, though. Wanting anything superpowered but being unwilling to game on PC is basically an irreconcilable juxtaposition to me.
edit²: or maybe this is not a strawman but just a very American perspective on things.
SirMossyBloke
Member
According to Cliffy, that's a STUPID idea. It has to do everything ever or it's pointless.
NullPointer
Member
Well what do you know, gaming consumers more interested in their ability to game than in corporate bottom lines.
Shocking.
Shocking.
Pinko Marx
Banned
I can. Bioshock Infinite. Game want running properly at first and I had to tweak and search the Internet to find a solution.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I dont agree with that.
if you polled Gaf, I bet you 90+% of the people here would glady drop Kinect from being sold with the one in order to boost its specs.
Its not that its financially impossible, its that companies would rather put the money else where. I think this has a lot to do with the people making the choices about the machines. You saw it on stage, the people pulling the strings in the xbox division arent gamers, and they probably dont give a damn about games. They see gaming only as a trojan horse into the living room, if they could drop it completely from the system at some point they would without blinking an eye.
if you polled Gaf, I bet you 90+% of the people here would glady drop Kinect from being sold with the one in order to boost its specs.
Its not that its financially impossible, its that companies would rather put the money else where. I think this has a lot to do with the people making the choices about the machines. You saw it on stage, the people pulling the strings in the xbox division arent gamers, and they probably dont give a damn about games. They see gaming only as a trojan horse into the living room, if they could drop it completely from the system at some point they would without blinking an eye.
I know i want 8 companies fighting over exclusives to make sure i have fewer games to play, let's open the industry up! This article is crazy, a large reason why we don't have more companies trying to get into the hardware space is content. First party games and only so many third parties to try to grab exclusives from.
Winterfang
Banned
All of them do.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I don't know. For this to be true you'd have to see evidence in other aspects of the gaming ecosystem and these days developers and studios are thriving. I just don't buy it.
Hang on, my phone is ringing for some reason.
intheinbetween
Member
far from for a PC enthusiast
Raven77
Member
One of the more ridiculous articles I've read in a while. Right up there with that article by Leigh about how "bored" she was prior to the XB1 event starting.
You know, if the dev's really aren't making money because the cost of creating has gone up so much then CHARGE ME 80 BUCKS U.S. PER GAME! I would GLADLY pay 80 bucks for a full product with no day 1 DLC and no blocking of me re-selling the game when done.
You know, if the dev's really aren't making money because the cost of creating has gone up so much then CHARGE ME 80 BUCKS U.S. PER GAME! I would GLADLY pay 80 bucks for a full product with no day 1 DLC and no blocking of me re-selling the game when done.
It's so viable that both sony and MS had to sell their consoles at massive losses at the beginning of last gen. The PS3 did not even make it's money back. Many game developpers struggled with the increased investment costs to be competitive in terms of production values.
There is a reason the new consoles are not bleeding edge, it's not financially viable.
I don't pretend to speak for hardcore gamers, but I think I'm not alone in being hugely more focused on the used games and online connection things. The lack of games at the show was unfortunate and it's fun to laugh about, but obviously E3 is coming. It's the terrible fuck you consumer policies that ensure I won't be getting this console.
The actual content of the article seems good. I just had a knee jerk reaction against painting the core gamer as mad because of the games, then a paragraph or two later conceding two or three big fucking deals for the console as if they barely matter.
The actual content of the article seems good. I just had a knee jerk reaction against painting the core gamer as mad because of the games, then a paragraph or two later conceding two or three big fucking deals for the console as if they barely matter.
Shalashaska161
Member
I think all anyone asks for is that their gaming console has a lot of cool games on it. We didn't see that on Tuesday, and that's been why there has been so much backlash.
That and all the DRM bullshit.
That and all the DRM bullshit.