SirMossyBloke
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None of them JUST plays games.
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Wired: Hardcore Console Gamers Dont Want Much, Just the Impossible
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None of them JUST plays games.
Baller. PhD
Banned
The Xbox One wouldn't be so hated if not for the always online, mandatory installs DRM bullshit.
If Microsoft had the exact same event but stated that used games would function exactly as they currently do and the console won't require an Internet connection, I'd be fucking stoked. They didn't show games, but whatever, the potential is there and the OS looked snappy as fuck. The games will come.
The problem is the anti-consumer bullshit, not the TV-centric reveal event.
If Microsoft had the exact same event but stated that used games would function exactly as they currently do and the console won't require an Internet connection, I'd be fucking stoked. They didn't show games, but whatever, the potential is there and the OS looked snappy as fuck. The games will come.
The problem is the anti-consumer bullshit, not the TV-centric reveal event.
chaostrophy
Member
Having jumped back in to PC gaming recently, I've found that for the most part it does Just Work, a lot better than it used to and good enough for me on that front. What the PC lacks though is Japanese developer support- if Japan-made games would be ported to the PC as often as Western ones are, I'd be done with consoles.
mysteriousmage09
Member
Just imagine playing Battlefield 4 and you tell someone to use a TV guided missile. Xbox One switches to TV, you shout at the fucking thing to go back to game but you already died.
But why would I willingly buy a compromised experience? All these streaming services are on every platform anyway - creating a worse gaming machine for the strange allure of additional hardware to support cable TV (HDMI in, processing power to handle that consistently, huge investment in broadcast TV sideshow-content) is what's the issue, and what seems like a misstep.
You're getting that.
BlazingDarkness
Member
But the article suggests such a thing in this day and age is impossible - when it's not. They conclude that a platform needs a shit load of bells and whistles to appeal to gamers because a console that plays only games is 'dead'. That is bullshit - yes people enjoy the various entertainment offerings (Netflix etc) but first and foremost people just want games, everything else is comparably insignificant. With the Bone, Microsoft are catering to a customer that demands all of these different things in equal measures, when such a consumer does not exist - because there are other devices which specialize individually in catering to those different things.
Arkos
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Wow at all the butthurt people, I didn't think the article was that unreasonable. Isn't that one reason given for the homogenizing or CoD-ing of so many AAA games: the costs are so high they have to ply it safe to try to ensure profits? I mean it is real that it's expensive to make consoles and AAA games for them
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BabeSlayer
Member
The heck is that suppose to mean?
DeaconKnowledge
Member
This is very short term thinking.
Boom.
SirMossyBloke
Member
This is my main issue with the XBox One actually. It requires Kinect plugged in at all times.
Every single time i'm watching Netlfix or Youtube on my 360, if someone happens to say anything, Kinect picks it up and does everything from fast forward to plain stopping what i'm watching and starting again.
It's either going to run into the same issue again or i'm going to have to go into the settings each and every time to disable voice commands when I just want to watch a movie.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
No, we want a console as powerful as the most top of the line PCs, in a small box, and for under 400 bucks.
Thats impossible.
Haha what a ridiculous demand. Fucking GAF. Drama queen.
SADFACE
I just built a pretty badass gaming PC for $700. I'm sure they can do better, and focus on GAMES is the only thing a console needs to be, otherwise it's a waste of hardware.
Got to say thanks for that exclusive first look somehow.
Raven77
Member
Most consoles sell at a loss when they first release, its expected. It is ALSO expected by the hardware maker that they will not make much profit on the console until mid-late in the cycle.
They make money on the software sold. It has been this way for well over a decade, probably longer. This is why the "software attach ratio" is so very very important to judge how well a console is doing.
While the Wii sold like hot cakes, its software attachment ratio was well below its competitors for quite some time thus resulting in Nintendo taking huge revenue losses.
Consoles are their own animal, they cannot be lumped into other categories. Its like saying the bicycle industry is failing because cars are outselling bikes. As much as every tech "nerd" journalist out there wants to lump every device that can "play games" into the same business segment, you simply CANT, it doesn't work that way.
They make money on the software sold. It has been this way for well over a decade, probably longer. This is why the "software attach ratio" is so very very important to judge how well a console is doing.
While the Wii sold like hot cakes, its software attachment ratio was well below its competitors for quite some time thus resulting in Nintendo taking huge revenue losses.
Consoles are their own animal, they cannot be lumped into other categories. Its like saying the bicycle industry is failing because cars are outselling bikes. As much as every tech "nerd" journalist out there wants to lump every device that can "play games" into the same business segment, you simply CANT, it doesn't work that way.
Haunted
Member
It means that as a German, if you want a superpowered machine that connects to the TV and works, you obviously use your fucking PC because it does just that.
The "not wanting to deal with settings" is a negative for most here, not a positive (i.e. it reads that you can't customise your experience).It's just a very different culture in America, where the PC isn't as big as consoles.
That is not what I am asking for at all. I just want a nice step up from the previous generation and the main focus to be on games first, as usual. Thankfully, that appears to be Sony's philosophy with the PS4 and that is why I will be more than happy to buy one.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
What a dumb article.
Sony is no longer "shitting cash" by any means, and they turned that PS3 ship around. Better yet, by getting a guy onboard to make the PS4 who is at the top of his knowing his shit, the PS4 seems to be exactly what gamers want. Just took employing the right person to do so, who knew.
Sony is no longer "shitting cash" by any means, and they turned that PS3 ship around. Better yet, by getting a guy onboard to make the PS4 who is at the top of his knowing his shit, the PS4 seems to be exactly what gamers want. Just took employing the right person to do so, who knew.
I thought that in 2 generations MS is yet to break even and that Sony lost all the profits they made on the PS1 and PS2 with the PS3.
That combined with research showing how much video streaming and the like happens on modern consoles.
You got data to back that up? You seem very confident that you know what the 150+ million people who own consoles want. I'm sure they want games but some of them might only want a couple a year or games and video streaming or etc, etc.
Interfectum
Member
That's exactly what the PS4 is going to be.
Also, that article is disingenuous as fuck to push his anti-console agenda. PS3 isn't bleeding cash now and the reason why Sony lost their ass on it in the first place wasn't because of its gaming focus but their obsession with shoving CELL (which they wanted to use for many, non-gaming functions) and Blu-ray (new movie platform) into a $600 box.
NeonZ
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No, the article article says the opposite. Gamers want a console that just play games, and everything else is an extra or unnecessary, but it's also arguing that pure "console gamers" aren't a big enough demographic to sustain consoles with the modern production values. I'm not sure about the basis of that conclusion though.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
It means that as a German, if you want a superpowered machine that connects to the TV and works, you obviously use your fucking PC because it does just that.
It's just a very different culture in America, where the PC isn't as big as consoles.
But what if I want to play a Japanese game?
(suggested response - something about how I should get a Japanese cell phone since they barely make console games any more)
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
You HAVE to go through it? No. You don't.
Buy the system, insert your game, play. Don't load or open the TV portion.
GAMING is still the main focus of the Xbox One, just it WASN'T for the reveal. Microsoft said so. E3 was for games.
indigo-cyclops
Member
For me, I'd argue, that the reasons I use my X360 for entertainment purposes are a) Lack of INTERESTING exclusives on the system, and b) Non-interest in the majority of multi-platform titles. If it's one I really want I will just get it on the PS3 because of how I have my systems set up. Everything else is PC. PS3 has the exclusives. So, now my 360 is the device my wife and I use to watch Netflix/Hulu/HBO Go etc...
What I want is a console that focuses on great games, and I was concerned Microsoft would not feel the same.
I'm repeating myself because my post was at the bottom of the page but:
The PS3 did not make money for sony, they are still in the red.
The 360 broke even only a year or so ago - and that's with a fee for playing online.
A game only console is not financially interesting. The core demographic is significant, but it's not big enough for a 500$ high spec console to be profitable.
BlazingDarkness
Member
You're putting too much focus on a supposed demand for PC parity on consoles, I don't really think that's the case. Yes there is an expectation for improved specs each generation, but that's the case with every market, not just the gaming industry.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
So far it seems like Sony plans to give us the impossible.
BlazingDarkness
Member
Yes, but changing that console into a glorified TV remote is not the solution to the problem. Gamers at large would be happy with what each the PS3/360 offered as a system, only with new technology inside.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
I'm pretty sure all of the functionality they displayed aside from tv listing fancery can be done with Hulu or Netflix or HBOGo apps (switching between, etc).
KimonoNoNo
Member
Entitled stinking gamers wanting games and not all this wonderful TV that they already pay for.
/sarcasm
I mean seriously all things point to the PS4 being a rather conservatively designed piece of hardware that didn't cost Sony massive amounts of money in R&D.
/sarcasm
I mean seriously all things point to the PS4 being a rather conservatively designed piece of hardware that didn't cost Sony massive amounts of money in R&D.
It's neatly tucked away in the third paragraph in a dismissive tone. "Sure MS hates you, but come on, get real"*
*Not an actual quote
Yeah. At the end of the day, both MS and Sony are trying to reverse the shrinking core-gaming consumer community by expanding the capability of their console. It's a big business but also not very profitable. How each of their strategies will pan out is to be seen.
Why would you be saying "Xbox, tv guided missile"?
FlyingSaucer
Banned
Sony and Nintendo, obviously.
I don't really see the point of this article beside rehearsing the same old tired argument about how smartphones and tablet killed consoles and praising the direction chosen by MS. Well, we will see if there is a still a future for gaming-centric hardware by the end of the year, anyway.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
Really? Because i can pull up any number of threads here complaining about the GPUs in the consoles, how COD Ghost looks bad, the new games dont look like true next gen, my maxed PC games look better than this, etc....................
People want high end PC graphics but want to pay budget PC prices.
Unsubsidized cell phones will be more expensive than these consoles even if they were at the 500 buck level.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The issue is profitability which is basically this articles point. He's saying there's simply not enough money to follow this path and expect a decent profit. Sony seems to still have not made back all the losses it made with the PS3.
This article is basically saying it's not worth it. You can do it but from a business point of view it's not logical.
Do you read the npd or media create threads? It's worse and worse every week/month. I don't blame Microsoft, Sony, or even Nintendo (with how shitty their non-game stuff is) for trying to find other ways for their boxes to make money.
Just about to post that. Personally I can do without having a music player, TV and Blu-ray player all rolled into one. I know this is what the WIIU is but I am not a fan of the Wiiu's games.