Apocryphon
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stuburns said:
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Wired play through all of Too Human
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Basically yes. Anyone could have predicted putting a beautiful woman as the front of a video game which target audience is males in the teens to twenties was going to cause the kind of shit it did.BenjaminBirdie said:
It was a stupid decision, maybe moneywise it wasn't, she might have actually helped sales, but the comic, gifs etc, was their fault. She was only one of the women who produced major titles last year, but she is the only one who ended up being ripped apart from it.
And Patrice was the director, it's his game, he should have headed it. The head of development always heads the PR, (except maybe Payton, but that's because Kojima is Japanese so it's easier) with Raymond, because she's hot, Ubi basically whored her out to the masses. I feel sorry for her, I really think Ubisoft 'used' her.
But this if off-topic, Too Human talk.
rance said:
But no one complains about that when it's a guy, I think is the point. Devs frequently pick a "face" for the company who may or may not be heavily involved in the game they're hyping.
I suspect they learned it from Nintendo, who uses Miyamoto to flog games he's barely involved with. It makes sense. Instead of teaching every lead dev how to deal with the press, you get one photogenic person who gets along with people.
BenjaminBirdie
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stuburns said:
Yes, it certainly is.
stuburns said:
No, you're incorrect. Lots of games HAVE directors but are still PR fronted by producers. It happens in the west and it happens in the east. Sometimes the people making the game just want to give one developer interview and then get back to work. It's the producer's job to oversee the entire project and that includes handling PR.
OnBackOrder
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duckroll said:
Back on Topic. So duckroll how do you feel about Too Human? Are you atleast going to check out the demo? There's really not much new in these previews, but overall they've seemed positive if you're into this genre.
PrivateRyan
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X26 said:
It does make you wonder at what point Too Human gained the reputation it currently has and why it's been singled out.
The Dyack stuff certainly hasn't helped but I don't think that's solely responsible for this backlash, more that it's fuelled a fire that was already burning. The trailers are dire and the actual gameplay footage doesn't look great but worse games have passed through GAF without receiving this kind of mauling. I'm not defending Too Human, just thinking out loud here.
OnBackOrder
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antiloop said:
It was positive. It's definitely strange.
El-Suave said:
Maybe I was somewhere else or something. Though some people complained about how cheesy, and ''rip off of mgs'' that scene was. Ever since they released it, along with the many comments about animations, weapons etc. To which a lot replied that it was obviously not done and would be fixed (which I hoped and believed). Which hushed the people that brought that stuff up.
OnBackOrder
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besada said:
Your memory is failing you:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170195&page=52&highlight=bringing+home
BenjaminBirdie
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besada said:
I remember finding it quite ridiculous and laughable as well (I think), but it didn't really dilute my enthusiasm for the game.
BenjaminBirdie
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OnBackOrder said:
:lol
Me said:
Hypno Funk
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My observations from the opening cinematic:
Is it me, or does the armour look kinda starship trooper/halo style?
Looks like Shredder
Similar Characters?
Interesting to see how the game plays out.
Is it me, or does the armour look kinda starship trooper/halo style?
Looks like Shredder
Similar Characters?
Interesting to see how the game plays out.
I felt the "Jade Raymond stuff" to be completely apt, especially that one comic strip. She was the producer, remember, but Ubi was whoring her out more than Konami did Kojima for ZOE.GauntletFan said:
Why? Because she's female and not a dog. It's insanity, and GAF rebelled - rightly so.
Hypno, did you go out of your way to make those "standard def" shots look that bad? Even the standard def version from gametrailers looks sharper than that :lol. If i didn't know better i'd say you used the Gaussian blur filter before you pasted your wonderful artwork stolen in Limbo of the lost on top of it. Nevermind the fact that you're actually comparing too Human to that so called game (jokingly or not).
mambadragon
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The most disappointing thing for me as someone who hasn't followed the game that closely is just how bad the presentation is in the opening scenes. Ignoring the animation, but the art of the characters in the world (the actual Too Human environments seem ok to me) and their dialogue and direction are so laughably cliched despite the awesome source mythology. The Too Human story has this great idea of being a modernization of Norse mythology (a fairly novel idea for all storytelling including movies and books), but what we get are the burly, bald, and bearded scifi characters doing every Matrix action sequence that have been done to death since 1999 and dialogue and character interaction for the adolescent male. Then you add back the animation which gives it an Ed Wood quality.
Kill Your Masters
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If Jade was a dude, Ubi never would have put "him" in the public like they did with Jade.WrikaWrek said:
Father_Brain
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Madman said:
Yep. At least ever since EGM called the E3 2006 demo "terrible," he's taken criticism of the game so badly that I'm honestly a bit worried about what might happen when the reviews start coming in.
Kill Your Masters
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I think fighting/the fghting animations look decent for a Diablo type of game. The graphics look ok. I'm still sceptical about the cut scene animations - those animations are even more important to me, when it comes to rpgs.Loudninja said:
Like I said: GIVE ME THE DEMO!
OnBackOrder
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Baryn said:
Oh please that comic strip was so direspectful to Jade it wasn't even funny. She was merely doing her job. Ever think that maybe she's just as talented as Kojima (or any other prominent industry figure) and that's why she was put in the spotlight? Or because she's a woman that never occurred to you?
OnBackOrder
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Loudninja said:
That looks really good. I think a lot of people are failing to realize the game has a completely different control scheme than most action games. It controls like Geometry Wars.
Your post was presumptions, to say that anyone who was not happy with Raymond's role would be happy if she was male is nonsense.WrikaWrek said:
I personally didn't really care she fronted the project, I would have preferred Patrice to because she basically never talked about any of the concepts or game design, something Patrice would have been in a position to do, and very fully.
So I totally disagreed with your comment as well.
To say she was the perfect person to front the project might be true, having her front it might have had positive effects on sales. But Ubisoft would not have had her do it if she was a male, I really believe she was only chosen because she was attractive, which is sad. Of course the comic and things were terrible, but it was going to happen, Ubisoft should never have had her do it if they were really worried about that kind of thing happening.
NinajHeartless
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OnBackOrder said:
Fixed
dermannmitdemcolt
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njp142 said:
I hope it's just the opening. They already proved two times that they're more than able to write a good (videogame) story. If they fail in this regard, I'll be really pissed...