If you played the game actually you would know that matchmaking in raids would be HORRIBLE. In fact, matchmaking barely works for the Weekly Heroic.
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With The Taken King, are Destiny's problems fixed?
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If you played the game actually you would know that matchmaking in raids would be HORRIBLE. In fact, matchmaking barely works for the Weekly Heroic.
No, they shouldn't retune them at all. Just leave them as is and let people matchmake if they want to.
Have matchmaking recipes like you used to be able to do in Halo, so you can search for local players with Mics, people who are chatty, etc...
That's a good point but then it leads to other factors, without matchmaking, I have to make sure 5 of those will be on at the same time.
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Also this. I know fans of anything can be bad but destiny fans truly annoy me. Like they don't want the game to get better.
NeOak
Member
DestinyGAF has you covered.
The Lamonster
Member
Depends on how they handle upgrading our exotics to max level again...
This. You need to put in effort to set up a group through an LFG site. This tends to get people who are serious about completing the content instead of "oh what's this? and clicks on raid matchmaking button..."
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MeisaMcCaffrey
There is matchmaking for content that doesn't require a lot of teamwork. I would probably be okay with a Destinylfg type system built in-game for Nightfalls and Raids TBH.
I'm ilevel 190 in FFXIV and let me tell you it's very difficult to do Titan Extreme or even Alexander normal Turn 4 with Duty Finder groups. You may find a group that clears it from time to time but from my experience it's pure torture.
I guess RPG's should just start you at max level then, because everything in between zero and the highest level is grinding right?
Jesus christ.
BRocknRolla
Member
Even assuming that Destiny had reached a point where it feels like the game it should have been, how much do I have to pay to play that game? Content was a huge issue, and if I have to buy a bunch of DLC to fill the experience, it still sounds pretty rough to me.
Yeah, it's not like raid matchmaking doesn't work amazingly well in WoW and other social online-only games. Barely works in Weekly Heroics? If *YOU* played the game, you'd know that's nonsense. I've never once had an issue with the weekly.
So you agree the grind still exists.
Add one exotic shard like in HoW? Bam new level.
Damn i upgraded all my exotics the first day.
Why do you not want matchmaking for raids?
You do know you could still play with friends even if they add a matchmaking option.
Kinda silly to hope for less features in a game.
Well these people don't raid at all now.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
then they done fucked up.
Like i said, here's how you can tackle an optional MM system: put a prompt upfront informing players that these things are lengthy gameplay sessions and that by quitting the player will be banned from online destiny play for a period of time. This lets the player know upfront that they need to set aside time for these things and to not join unless they're serious.
The punishing of quitting players has worked in other games, like Rocket League and DOTA2, so why can't it work here?
I got myself to level 28 and very clearly remember going into the same areas over and over again and killing the same kind of enemies. The tasks I was given to level my character up were all very similar all set in a limited set of environments. At some point I was mindlessly shooting into mobs of enemies and it stopped being fun. So for me that is where it felt very grindy. If things were more varied or the world was larger, it would have not felt the way it did.
That's me, someone who quit at level 28 and only jumped into a raid once. My view on this I guess is skewed if I didn't enjoy the core experience past a certain point.
funkystudent
Member
I know you guys have a group that welcomes new raiders but I got zero idea when that happens or who to talk to. I just keep a eye on DGaf the days I have enough free time and hope I see someone try and look for someone.
Plus Destiny GAF moves fast. Its easy to miss a group. Its on thread 27 for crying out loud. lol
If anyone wants to help this poor guy get his raid on please feel free to point me in a direction though.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
You should always have the choice to start at max level in every RPG. If you don't like it just don't use it! It wouldn't even affect you!
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Rollo Tomasi
Member
This is not true. I think every Destiny fan wants to see the game improve, and it definitely has since it was released. TTK looks to be expanding on those improvements.
The game's own worst enemy.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
If you're brand new, the $60 Taken King disc coming out on launch has everything: base game, both DLC episodes from Year 1 (The Dark Below and House of Wolves) and then The Taken King. It's essentially a GOTY edition. There's also an $80 digital and physical collectors edition with some extra geegaws.
FYI, if you already own Destiny but haven't bought the 2 earlier episodes, you do need to buy them in order to access/install The Taken King. There's no discounted upgrade path, so you're better off rebuying whole.
Same here. I attempted a raid once and I had no idea what I was doing.
That might be, but I still fail to see why I need to leave the game to find people to play arena challenges above 28. Raid is more understanding but still, MMOs have a form of ingame raid search, just like a simple LFG system people can sing up for ingame would fix it for a lot of people.
Also why is optional things bad? DestinyLFG groups might be just as bad as match made groups.
Makoto-Yuki
Banned
They need matchmaking. I stopped playing because I couldn't get anyone to do the strikes or raids. And yes I did try using websites but that's still really not that great. Just put matchmaking in and if you want to create a fireteam manually then fine but not everyone has the time to sit about waiting for people to join.
If they put that in then I would start playing again.
If they put that in then I would start playing again.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Such a heated matchmaking debate. Personally I hope they add more interesting single player content. Maybe that's what quests are?
Because it takes longer for them to find games, duh.
Just post there when you are ready to do a Raid, and you will have a full group ready to go in no time. There are always people available to raid with, especially on PS4. That's why DestinyGAF is the best.
NeOak
Member
Do you actually play the game?
Threats don't do anything. People quit Dota 2 matches anyway.
Wich is logical. Will take a couple of Raids to truly experience it because then you know what going on more.
BRocknRolla
Member
Honestly, that's insane. Sounds like a largely fine deal for someone who would just now be jumping in, but for continuing players? That's just shitty.
Diprosalic
Banned
i think they would have to dumb down raids for it to work in MM or people would get frustrated fast.
if you really want to raid it's very fast to find a group to do so. it never takes me more than 5 minute to get in to a good group.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Let's talk about those matchmade strikes. By percentage, when going in solo and getting matched up with two randoms, how often would you say that you make it all the way through the strike without at least one random dropping out?
In my experience, it's probably around 50/50. And that's for a 20 minute strike.
Now, let's carry that over to a 2 or 3 hour raid with 5 randoms, three of which will not be willing to jump into party or game chat with you. Why does anyone in their right mind think this will go well?
I agree that there is a problem here, but matchmaking is a poor solution. The game needs a better social interface all the way around. There need to be meeting areas where people can group up to go on specific end-game missions, and they need to be able to communicate with each other easily within those spaces. You know, beyond just dancing and saluting toward each other.
It's arguably worse. I mean, this is reason enough why matchmaking is requiredjust to eliminate LFG.
Not all but it's a step in the right direction.
I still which I could get optional matchmaking for everything and I think the endgame needs to be a little more diverse or with more things to do but overall the game will be a much better this September.
I would recommend everyone playing to go to the community thread. Going there really pulled me back into the game even as a non-hardcore player. Tons helpful and cool people there to play the game with and help too.
I still which I could get optional matchmaking for everything and I think the endgame needs to be a little more diverse or with more things to do but overall the game will be a much better this September.
I would recommend everyone playing to go to the community thread. Going there really pulled me back into the game even as a non-hardcore player. Tons helpful and cool people there to play the game with and help too.
Agreed. Anyone arguing about matchmaking not working in the game needs to take a look at some MMOs. There are ways to make matchmaking work. That or add a damn chatting system in game.
I find it absurd that a game so much about being social with other players has no from of in game communication.
Totally. I'm not thinking of it as a total solution for raids but like having the lowest difficult having matchmaking. Something like prison of elders.
Or make the tower useful and have a chat system there.
Freedom = $1.05
Banned
but the odds of them doing so is greatly reduced.
What i do play is Rocket League. Pre-punishment, people were quitting almost every other Ranked match.
Post punishment? I think one person has quit in the 20 matches I played.
It's not perfect, but it works.
staticneuron
Member
Well I just mentioned the levels and what you could do. If you were level 28 in the base game the only way you could hit 30 iirc was doing raids and getting raid gear. Everything else was pretty much meaningless (just for fun but would not advance level). Before calling something a grind that means you working towards something, not mindlessly doing something for the sake of doing something.
Well there are also quests for the new subclasses wich is think is really cool and add to the story. Instead of. Bam here a new subclass.
Diprosalic
Banned
i don't think that's even true.
TTK is $40,
Destiny + all DLC including TTK is $60
each of the two dlc were $20 so you do get a discount.
non players of the game giving Bungie/Players tips on how to make it better.
They probably don't play the game because they want to play a better game. Making Destiny a better game would probably get more people to play it I imagine.
Also just because someone doesn't play Destiny right now doesn't mean they didn't play it at launch and beat all the missions in the game. Most people just didn't see any reason to keep replaying the same content.
piratethingy
Self professed bad raider
It took WoW like what, six years to figure it out? And they had to re-tune raids to do it. That might work for Destiny, but I do not think there's any chance that just adding blind matchmaking to their existing raids would be a fun experience at all.
As explained earlier, the idea is that DestinyLFG people have to go through a lot more effort than just randomly clicking a destination on their map, and are therefore more likely to be ready to put in the time/effort/teamwork that a raid requires.
It's not ideal, the game could be better if Bungie could come up with an elegant system in-game. But I disagree that mashing matchmaking onto content not designed for it would benefit anyone.
funkystudent
Member
I have tried that like 3 times with no luck. Probably just bad timing on my part with the IB last week. And bad timing before that being super early in the morning or something.
BUT I WILL TRY AGAIN SOON!
Destiny is not on the difficulty level of FFXIV tho. Believe me it took me 6 times using DF to beat Titan Extreme. Destiny it could work.
non players of the game giving Bungie/Players tips on how to make it better.
Which people that have asked for improvements haven't played the game? I guess my 400+ hours don't count.
WoW also had in-game chat and LFR built into the game from day one.
I play the game a lot actually. And just a few days ago I had to carry 2 under-leveled people through the strike and it almost took 1 hour. Matchmaking is horrible for anything that needs a proper loadout.
Technically it works fine.
Destiny raids are a unique experience. Also, how do you account for gear, knowledge and the fact that people can troll?
There are so many variables that can ruin the experience.
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