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[KingItachi]

The Dreamcast. Another classic fighter Capcom vs SNK 2.

 

[Roe]

I have a feeling Nintendo was betting on HD Nintendo games pulling most of the weight on the Wii U. Besides that, the U controller didn't have what the Wii had: Imagination.

Everyone wanted to play games using the Wii Mote. After that, the Wii U screen controller supplement didn't pull as much weight, and nintendo tried to remaster a couple games to pull the weight of the console, but it ultimately failed to deliver at all other aspects.

 

[MacTag]

Looking at the release list on Wiki and seeing how every month has atleast one game that gets named in all the Dreamcast lists is something I can't see your point that the Dreamcast suffered droughts - especially if you compare it with Nintendo consoles.

Sure if you're talking any releases. Personally I wasn't really excited for things like Sengoku Turb or Seventh Cross at the time. Of course by that standard Wii U has around 2-3 releases every week these days, but it still feels like a good amount of time between Nintendo games or indie standouts. I don't think it's really that different.

 

[Celine]

But the question is what had a better life? And that can be answered by metrics such as market longevity, hardware sales and software sales. If it's about the games lineup then OP is asking the wrong question imo because that should have been which dead console you prefer, which I did say would vary because that's subjective.

I agree with you.

 

[Shahed]

I had more free time then but I did buy a Dreamcast pretty early and it's got several of my favourite games of all time

I've been meaning to get a Wii U but time has been more of an issue than anything, and at this point I'll just wait till NX. But even then the only games I really want to play are Zelda HD, Zelda HD and Xenoblade.

 

[butman]

Dreamcast was Arcade at home. WiiU was i don't know what.

 

[Lasthope106]

When we look back on Wii U's library in 10 years nobody is going to miss the yearly sports titles.

I disagree. Ask anyone that was playing games at the time, and they still remember the Sega 2K sport titles fondly. The difference between what Visual Concepts was doing and what EA was making at the time was huge. They are probably among the very few sport games that people actively go back and play.

 

[dracula_x]

definitely Dreamcast – because a much more wider variety of games, better third-party support, and hardware wasn't outdated at launch.

 

[Colonel Nasty]

Dreamcast for me, Mario Maker and Splatoon only stand out for me on Wii U, everything else was just sequels. I think PSO was the best online game on both systems and that's kind of sad.

 

[Dusk Golem]

Also, since I think there's some lacking Dreamcast lists in this thread.

There are a lot of niche cult classics I'm going to list here, but the fact the Dreamcast has a ton of niche cult classics says a lot about it compared to the WiiU library, which is mostly composed of a few known quality titles, and doesn't have the hidden gems the Wii had. It's also saying something I'm missing a lot from the list I'm posting below, I'm sure some could name titles I am not posting that they adored.

In alphabetical order:

Bangai-O

Bomberman Online

Border Down

Canon Spike

Capcom vs SNK 2

Chu Chu Rocket

Cool Cool Toon

Cosmic Smash

Crazy Taxi

D2

Dead or Alive 2

Dino Crisis (best version available)

Dynamite Cop

Ecco The Dolphin: Defenders of the Future

Elemental Gimmick Gear

Evil Dead: Hail To The King

Fighting Vipers 2

Fur Fighters

Grandia 2

Headhunter

House of the Dead 2

Hydro Thunder

Ikagura

Illbleed

Jet Set Radio

Lack of Love

The Last Blade 2: Heart of the Samurai

Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver

Maken X

Mars Matrix: Hyper Solid Shooting

Marvel Vs Capcom 2

MDK2

Metropolis Street Racer

Mr. Driller

Ooga Booga

Outrigger

Phantasy Star Online

Power Stone

Power Stone 2

Project Justice

Puyo Puyo Fever

Quake 3 Arena

Rayman 2: The Great Escape

Ready 2 Rumble Boxing

Record of Lodoss War

Resident Evil 2 (best version available)

Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (best version available)

Resident Evil: Code Veronica

Re-Volt

Rez

Samba De Amigo

San Francisco Rush 2049

Seaman

SEGA Bass Fishing

SEGA Rally 2

Shadowman (best console version of it)

Shenmue

Shenmue 2

Silver

Skies of Arcadia

Soldier of Fortune

Soulcaliber

Sonic Adventure

Sonic Adventure 2

Space Channel 5

Space Channel 5 Part 2

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike

Super Magnetic Neo

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2

Toy Commander

Typing of the Dead

Virtua Fighter 3

Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram

Virtua Tennis

Virtua Tennis 2

Zombie Revenge

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

As a Nintendo fan, I want to say Wii U, but I think both will be remembered fondly. Both have fantastic, but modest, libraries and will be defined by them.

The Wii U will not be remembered fondly.

 

[MacTag]

When did that happen the last time with a Nintendo console?

N64, GameCube or Wii never got the same amount of rosa colored opinions as the other systems of the same timeframe.

I'd argue Gamecube definitely went through a revisionist change in opinion. During it's lifetime pretty much everyone shat on the system but these days it's viewed pretty positively despite it's market failure.

 

[Kouriozan]

Nothing will ever beat Space Channel 5 so Dreamcast win.

 

[maxcriden]

So did Samba De Amigo.

I looked that up but read too quickly. Thanks (Ultra)man.

 

[shark sandwich]

Dreamcast, easily. It had an explosion of fantastic games. A great mix of first & third party, old IP and new. It felt like Sega really poured their heart and soul into the system. Plus a lot of the games felt very fresh and new. E.G. Power Stone, Jet Grind Radio, Space Channel 5, Shenmue, Chu Chu Rocket, Skies of Arcadia, Rez, Phantasy Star Online, etc etc.

Wii U has some great games but it just pales in comparison. The hardware is extremely underwhelming, the gimmick was a flop. Most of the good games are safe sequels to long-running Nintendo franchises, with the notable exception of Splatoon. Third party support is completely dead. We endured drought after drought, punctuated by some stellar but familiar games.

 

[Petrae]

When we look back on Wii U's library in 10 years nobody is going to miss the yearly sports titles.

It's hard to miss something that never existed.

 

[Astral Dog]

Its always the Wii U, but what about the VITA?

Spoiler

Why does anybody never talk about the Vita?

 

[angrylamp]

Well I have to vote for the Dreamcast, a lot of people forget a few things.

1. Internet, it was the first real console on the internet (Quake ran amazing)
2. Phantasy Star Online was worth the cost alone
3. SegaNET was great
4. Web Browser from day one
5. VOIP, keyboard, and the start of DLC

I remember how amazing it was to get themed dlc for sonic and other games for the different seasons.

Beyond that it had some of the more push forward games before Morrowind game out, such as Shemmue, etc.

Dreamcast forever

 

[orthodoxy1095]

The Dreamcast easily had the better, more classic lineup of software. It's not even close really.

 

[blue_phazon]

I'm annoyed that Metropolis Street Racer isn't in the OP's list.

It's one of the greatest racers ever released. A LOT of people never played the spiritual precursor to PGR. :*(



The game's graphics blew my mind coming off GT2.

This game was the absolute shit. Loved getting those Kudos.

But overall I liked Wii U way more than dreamcast. Mostly because of Bayonetta 2, Smash 4, Splatoon, and Xenoblade X

 

[Kid Ying]

People just love to compare any prematurely dead console to Dreamcast, look at Wii U or Vita. That's where the comparison ends though, none of the two had a brillant library.

Both were better than the Dreamcast though. The vita is much better in fact.

 

[PdotMichael]

Sure if you're talking any releases. Personally I wasn't really excited for things like Sengoku Turb or Seventh Cross at the time. Of course by that standard Wii U has around 2-3 releases every week these days, but it still feels like a good amount of time between Nintendo games or indie standouts. I don't think it's really that different.

Virtua Fighter 3tb
Sonic Adventure
Sega Rally Championship 2
Power Stone
The House of the Dead 2
Marvel vs. Capcom
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Soulcalibur

Were all released in the Dreamcast Japan only year. And there were games like Sega Bass Fishing, Seaman, The King of Fighters, Tokyo Xtreme Racer, Dynamite Cop, AeroWings, Puyo Puyo 4 and ChuChu Rocket!.

The WiiU would kill its own mother to have such a drought.

 

[Outrun]

Having owned both Day One, my vote is Dreamcast.

I loved DK Tropical Freeze, Mario 3D World, Bayonetta 2, SSB, and MK8.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Dreamcast had a much shorter life, but similar amount of quality titles. Helped even more by the late EU launch, I feel dreamcast had a relatively better life. If only for how short it was

 

[Juke Joint Jezebel]

Wii U for me. DC was a great system, but the amount of games I've enjoyed for the WiiU over the last few years has been outstanding.

-Mario Kart 8
-New Super Mario Bros U
-New Super Luigi U
-Super Mario Maker
-Super Mario 3D World
-Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker
-Super Smash Bros. Wii U
-Pikmin 3
-Splatoon
-Yoshi's Woolly World
-Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
-Bayonetta
-Bayonetta 2
-The Wonderful 101
-Kirby & The Rainbow Paintbrush
-Hyrule Warriors
-The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
-The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD
-Xenoblade Chronicles X
-Pokken Tournament
-Starfox Zero
-Starfox Guard
-Nintendo Land
-Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
-Shovel Knight
-ZombiU
-Rayman Legends
-Teslegrad
-Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash

A huge variety of different games that I've all enjoyed immensely. My XB1 & PS4 collection pales in comparision.

 

[shandy706]

Well darn, someone made a list with pictures, LOL.

I was taking my time to make my list of games I owned, played, and loved on Dreamcast that isn't just a copy paste of some "Top (whatever)" list.

Metropolis Street Racer
NFL2k
Sega GT
Sword of the Berserk
Shenmue
Hydro Thunder
Skies of Arcadia
Revolt
Shenmue II
Marvel v Capcom 2
Rez
Crazy Taxi
Star Lancer
Sega Fishing
Tokyo Extreme Racer
Rayman 2
Soul Calibur
Dead or Alive 2
Armada
MDK2
Virtua Tennis 2
Wacky Races
F355
Soul Reaver
4 Wheel Thunder
House of the Dead
NHL 2k2
NBA 2k2
Jet Set Radio
Grandia II
Tony Hawk 2
Test Drive Le mans
Rush 2049
Daytona 2001
Dino Crisis
Tech Romancer
Skies of Arcadia
Quake III
Unreal
Virtual On
Chu Chu Rocket
Shadowman
Ikuraga
Sonic Adventure
Soldier of Fortune (also played this on PC)
Ecco
Space Channel 5
Powerstone 2
Phantasy Star Online
Border Down
Multiple Resident Evil Games
Some soccer game I can't remember the name of, LOL

Edit** Forgot Fur Fighters (awesome game) and WSB2k2!

When you look back at a console, nobody really cares about 10 year old sports titles.

When you look at the Dreamcast you do.

Some of those still set the standard. There's yet to be a standard setter like NFL2k.

 

[DeuceGamer]

The Wii U will not be remembered fondly.

Disagree there. It had it's issues while it was alive, but when people look at the console and it's library in 10 years they won't see an underpowered console. They will see what games it had and in that sense the Wii U will hold up favorably.

It's hard to miss something that never existed.

When you look back at a console, nobody really cares about 10 year old sports titles.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

When you look back at a console, nobody really cares about 10 year old sports titles.

Then why do people still care about the Dreamcasts sports titles?

Spoiler

because they were great

 

[Xion_Stellar]

Dreamcast easily.

 

[crpav]

Sports fan checking in and when the Dreamcast came out Visual Concepts changed the "face" of sports titles at the time with NFL2k, NBA2k and the World Series Baseball 2k1.

At the time the graphics, gameplay and atmosphere were so much better and higher than what was currently on the market.

 

[XanaviF30]

The obvious answer would be the Dreamcast. The Wii U's library was great, but the Dreamcast's was even greater.

 

[mavericktopgun]

I have 2 DCs and one Wii U.
Nuff said

 

[GhostBed]

That's tough...Wii U has one of my favorite Nintendo lineups, but I grew up with the Dreamcast.

Probably have to go with Wii U: Pikmin 3, Splatoon,Smash 4, Xenoblade, are all heavy hitters for me and games that I'll remember for a long time.

 

[Springy]

When you look back at a console, nobody really cares about 10 year old sports titles.

Incredible example of generalizing from a personally held opinion.

 

[Tricky I Shadow]

Disagree there. It had it's issues while it was alive, but when people look at the console and it's library in 10 years they won't see an underpowered console. They will see what games it had and in that sense the Wii U will hold up favorably.

They absolutely will still see an underpowered console in 10 years - just like how people in here are still saying 'just how ahead of time' the Dreamcast was.

The Wii U's reputation is terrible, and it's not going to get much better - if anything it'll probably get worse. You may look at it fondly, but the general consensus is that it was a major flop in pretty much every way. It'll be remembered like the Saturn. So in other words, it'll be forgotten.

 

[Kid Ying]

I agree with those who says the DC was more groundbreaking. I remember when i first saw Virtua Fighter and simply thought "wow". To me that wasn't possible at all. That and mgs2 were the biggest moments of gaming for me.

Still, it's library to me is grossly overrated. When i finally got the DC, it was disappointment after disappointment and i remember back then most people i knew didnt even wanted to play it, preffering the ps2. My experience with it was really bad. A shame.

Wiiu to me had a bigger number of quality games. Nothing groundbreaking, but more games i wanted to play and more games people wanted to play with me and multiplayer was always a big part of gaming for me.

And its pretty obvious the wiiu will be remembered fondly. The gc was the worst console i've ever had and people love it these days...

 

[Boney]

The more interesting thing is that both of these shunned consoles have Sega and Nintendo at the top of their game when it comes to software release since the early 90's (or debatably all time best), yet nobody gave two shits about them.

Though to be fair it took over a year for Nintendo to step it up and Sega was buried under marketing hype.

 

[MacTag]

Virtua Fighter 3tb
Sonic Adventure
Sega Rally Championship 2
Power Stone
The House of the Dead 2
Marvel vs. Capcom
Street Fighter Alpha 3
Soulcalibur

Were all released in the Dreamcast Japan only year. And there were games like Sega Bass Fishing, Seaman, The King of Fighters, Tokyo Xtreme Racer, Dynamite Cop, AeroWings, Puyo Puyo 4 and ChuChu Rocket!.

The WiiU would kill its own mother to have such a drought.

New Super Mario Bros. U
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Rayman Legends
Pikmin 3
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
Need for Speed Most Wanted U
The Wonderful 101

Plus more like TTT2, ZombiU, Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed 3, COD BLOPS2, Trine 2, Nan Assault Neo, Nintendo Land, Sonic Racing Transformed, NSLU , Toki Tori 2, Runner 2, Lego City Undercover, Little Inferno, Mass Effect 3, Splinter Cell Blacklist, RE Revelations, Ducktales Remastered, Batman AC and plenty of others. I guess Wii U had a pretty amazing year one too then, what droughts?

Funny how looking at things in retrospect can shift so far from our personal experience at the time.

 

[Gunslinger]

Dreamcast was ahead of its time. It was one of the best consoles ever made. As for TC's question it's not even a competition for me. Dreamcast was better hands down. I think a more fitting question would have been what failed more n64 or WiiU? I also think GC was the best nintendo console with the best library. Yes better than SNES or NES.

 

[bronk]

Wii U was the worst console i've owned in my life. Glad I sold it for a good price. I liked the wii and loved every other Nintendo console. As for Dreamcast that system is amazing and im sad she died so soon :'(

 

[Moon_frogger]

The one that had monster hunter 3 ultimate

 

[Springy]

Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed 3, COD BLOPS2, Sonic Racing Transformed, Mass Effect 3, Splinter Cell Blacklist, RE Revelations, Batman AC and plenty of others. I guess Wii U had a pretty amazing year one too then, what droughts?

Funny how looking at things in retrospect can shift so far from our personal experience at the time.

All that I've included above were inferior ports of 360/PS3 games. Imagine if DC's first year included a slate of games that looked and ran better on PS1.

 

[PdotMichael]

New Super Mario Bros. U
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Rayman Legends
Pikmin 3
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD
Need for Speed Most Wanted U
The Wonderful 101

Plus more like TTT2, ZombiU, Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed 3, COD BLOPS2, Trine 2, Nan Assault Neo, Nintendo Land, Sonic Racing Transformed, NSLU , Toki Tori 2, Runner 2, Lego City Undercover, Little Inferno, Mass Effect 3, Splinter Cell Blacklist, RE Revelations, Ducktales Remastered, Batman AC and plenty of others. I guess Wii U had a pretty amazing year one too then, what droughts?

Funny how looking at things in retrospect can shift so far from our personal experience at the time.

I'm not sure what's your point is outside of proving how unremarkable the first year of the WiiU was, if just the Japanese output of the Dreamcast is running circle around the WiiU.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I'm too young to know for sure, but I have to imagine the Dreamcast was more impressive at the time than the Wii U is now. The variety and imagination present in the Dreamcast library is honestly still very impressive as far as exclusive line-ups go, and they took some genuine risks with the hardware (which didn't pay off, but are still noteworthy). I don't really like Sega or the "feel" of a lot of their games, but what they pulled off in such a short time on the Dreamcast remains impressive. Besides maybe the Genesis era, the Dreamcast is still the highest point Sega has reached.

With that said, looking at it today, I wouldn't want to touch 90% of the Dreamcast's hot dumpster fire of poorly aged games with a 10 foot pole, let alone that monstrosity of a controller. Meanwhile, if past Nintendo consoles are any indication, I'll be replaying Smash Bros, Donkey Kong, Mario, etc. for years to come.

The Dreamcast is more interesting, but the Wii U is just more solid.

 

[cRIPticon]

Without question, Dreamcast. Not even close.

 

[jonjonaug]

Dreamcast had the more diverse library but the Wii U has better games.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Dreamcast had third party support, killer arcade ports, and insane support from Sega and Capcom especially.

Wii U has basically just Nintendo and months or years late ports of both AAA and indie games I've already played on PC. Gotta go with Dreamcast.

 

[Petrae]

When you look back at a console, nobody really cares about 10 year old sports titles.

When I look back at WiiU, I can easily spot that there were next to no sports titles. Can't say that about the Dreamcast. In fact, the yearly iterations of the 2K games aren't as important as the first wave of them. NFL2K and NBA2K made people sit up and take notice as legitimate competition to what EA was doing for Sony.

WiiU will be forever known as the anti-sports console. Good for the hardcorest of the hardcore who term sports games as "sportsball" or some other such shit, but a major turn-off for everyone else-- and a legitimate factor (among many others) why WiiU was such a miserable failure at retail.

 

[SoundPulse]

For me, personally, the Dreamcast was a short-lived, but awesome party. I am incredibly biased because I have played way more PSO than I should have, however.

The Wii U had a couple of games that I really liked, but the library as a whole hasn't really clicked with me.

 

[Fox Mulder]

The Dreamcast if everything is adjusted for their time.

Online, arcade ports, fucking amazing sports titles, shenmue, and a list of unique first party titles.

The wiiu has great games, but many are iterations and the touch screen never caught on or added much. The wiiu VC even sucks ass compared to what they did on the Wii.