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Worst Blu Ray Transfers

Almost everything pre-Rush Hour from Jackie Chan has a bad transfer.

If you're talking about the HK releases of his films, they all were upscaled from 480P digital masters. Blame Fortune Star, who owns the Golden Harvest catalog (Yes, this includes all of Bruce Lee's films with the exception of Enter the Dragon, as Warner did a True HD restoration for its 40th anniversary.)

Shout Factory and Mediumrare UK's releases of Jackie's films uses the same upscales that were given to them by Fortune Star.
 
If you're talking about the HK releases of his films, they all were upscaled from 480P digital masters. Blame Fortune Star, who owns the Golden Harvest catalog (Yes, this includes all of Bruce Lee's films with the exception of Enter the Dragon, as Warner did a True HD restoration for its 40th anniversary.)

Shout Factory and Mediumrare UK's releases of Jackie's films uses the same upscales that were given to them by Fortune Star.

It's the only way to watch uncut JC though. Almost all of his US versions of his films are cut to hell that's why I always import his films on blu from HK.
 
Can someone explain something to me about aspect ratios.

Ben-Hur is shot with a 65mm camera and is wide as fuck.

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Lawrence of Arabia is shot on 70mm yet isn't nearly as wide as Ben-Hur. Is it cropped for the blu-ray?

 
Can someone explain something to me about aspect ratios.

Ben-Hur is shot with a 65mm camera and is wide as fuck.



Lawrence of Arabia is shot on 70mm yet isn't nearly as wide as Ben-Hur. Is it cropped for the blu-ray?
Film stock and aspect ratio aren't related. A 35mm movie can be any aspect ratio, as can a 70mm one. Aspect ratio is determined more by lens.
 
This is a weird one for me, but Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is a pretty awful transfer compared to Raiders of the Lost Ark. I got the boxset for Christmas and watched both films within a week of one another. Raiders is fucking gorgeous, but TLC suffers from a lot of grain that I don't remember seeing in Raiders.

Maybe I'm just not remembering them correctly, but I was let down by TLC. I thought it looked almost identical to the DVD copy that I owned previously.
 
This is a weird one for me, but Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is a pretty awful transfer compared to Raiders of the Lost Ark. I got the boxset for Christmas and watched both films within a week of one another. Raiders is fucking gorgeous, but TLC suffers from a lot of grain that I don't remember seeing in Raiders.

Maybe I'm just not remembering them correctly, but I was let down by TLC. I thought it looked almost identical to the DVD copy that I owned previously.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Indiana-Jones-The-Complete-Adventures-Blu-ray/3956/#Screenshots

I dunno man, I think Crusade looks the best of the bunch, although all three look great to me.

And Crystal Skulls looks the worst, although mostly for aesthetic reasons.
 
Any of you guys have seen Advent Children complete? The old scenes look so bad. It's even worse when they add the new ones, which look so sharp and good in contrast.
 
ver on the AVS Forum, there is a very, very, very long thread about FOTR EE colour timing changes. Anyway, someone was kind enough to upload an AVISynth script to revert the colour timing closer to the original version.

AVS Forum Thread
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1307189-lord-rings-extended-142.html
Poster:You_Too at 08-19-2011, 06:02 PM

Forget the color differences what is going on with the crushed blacks D: Is that how the Blu-Ray looks?

EE DVD:
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EE BR?:
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It's the only way to watch uncut JC though. Almost all of his US versions of his films are cut to hell that's why I always import his films on blu from HK.

Believe me, I know. I bit the bullet and bought many of Jackie's films on HK BR with the exception of Police Story 1&2, Operation Condor (Region free Mediumrare UK release) and Drunken Master 2 (Best English dub of all of Jackie's movies. Jackie and the late Anita Mui dubbed their own roles.). Some bluray purists insist to buy the JC DVDs. But I got Shout Factory Police Story 1&2 sealed for $12 shipped. I couldn't even find a sealed HK DVD of PS1 itself for that price.


I remember hearing Interstella 5555 was pretty bad.

Yes it is! They took the already crappy PAL DVD version, and upscaled it to HD, making it look worse than the PAL DVD.
 
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Indiana-Jones-The-Complete-Adventures-Blu-ray/3956/#Screenshots

I dunno man, I think Crusade looks the best of the bunch, although all three look great to me.

And Crystal Skulls looks the worst, although mostly for aesthetic reasons.

Hm, maybe I am just remembering it wrong. Maybe it's the aesthetic that appealed to me more in Raiders (funny though considering TLC is my favorite of the trilogy). Thanks for that link! Looking at just the stills gives me a different impression.

Crystal Skulls just looked bad all around. No personality at all. I still don't shit on it too much, though. It's more Indy which I love.
 
The Good, The Bad, The Ugly felt like they literally transferred the DVD version straight to blu-ray and didn't do jack shit other than that.
 
Working as a compositor you have to be real fucking careful when you degrain plates. It's very easy to destroy detail. You have to match it and add it back in to the areas you've been working on.

Funny to see studio's don't give a fuck anyway.
 
Can someone explain something to me about aspect ratios.

Ben-Hur is shot with a 65mm camera and is wide as fuck.

Lawrence of Arabia is shot on 70mm yet isn't nearly as wide as Ben-Hur. Is it cropped for the blu-ray?

I'm just going to expand slightly on what NekoFever said, aspect ratio is not the end product of what type of film stock you use, lenses (anamorphic or spherical*), and matte (essentially masking parts of the film) determines that.
In the case of these two, Lawrence of Arabia is shot with Super Panavision 70 (spherical lenses, 65 mm film) and Ben-Hur is shot with MGM Camera 65/Ultra Panavision 70 (anamorphic lenses, 65 mm film) which is the reason for the differing aspect ratios.

*To explain simply, anamorphic lenses captures a wide image and squeezes it to fit on "narrower" film (e.g. squeezing a 2.35:1 image to fit on a 1.33 bit of film). This thread on another forum has a much more detailed explanation even if it's a bit technobabbly.
 
Believe me, I know. I bit the bullet and bought many of Jackie's films on HK BR with the exception of Police Story 1&2, Operation Condor (Region free Mediumrare UK release) and Drunken Master 2 (Best English dub of all of Jackie's movies. Jackie and the late Anita Mui dubbed their own roles.). Some bluray purists insist to buy the JC DVDs. But I got Shout Factory Police Story 1&2 sealed for $12 shipped. I couldn't even find a sealed HK DVD of PS1 itself for that price.
Wait, so Operation Condor UK is region-free and the same as the HK version? Also, according to Amazon, seems like Armour of God UK is coming out in March via Mediumware too.

Is Police Story 1/2 NA the same as HK?
 
I'm so confused. I don't own a Blu-Ray player but I thought Disney's stuff was the high water mark for Blu-Ray transfers. Is that all a big lie?
 
To be fair, I'd say the baseline standard of a video transfer is dramatically better these days than it was in the DVD era. You're much more likely to find a random movie looking decent than you were back then.

Well, I never would have believed how badly Criterion would fuck up the encoding on some of their Blu-Rays.

Example (do mouseover of the zoom in).

Example 2.

They have major compression artifacts on several titles when compared to alternative discs of the same film. That is NOT film grain.
 
I'm so confused. I don't own a Blu-Ray player but I thought Disney's stuff was the high water mark for Blu-Ray transfers. Is that all a big lie?
Modern Disney stuff is usually fine, but they unfortunately don't put a great amount of effort in their older pre-digital catalog which has resulted in a few bad looking Blu-rays.
 
Sucks that they seem to have no plan of redoing Predator's transfer. Movie has gotten repacked/released twice since and it's just the same shitty DNR mess of a transfer used.

You look at like Amazon reviews of it for example, and everyone is praising it as if it looked amazing. Typical consumers have no fucking clue that it looks bad, they just see shiny!
 
This is a weird one for me, but Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is a pretty awful transfer compared to Raiders of the Lost Ark. I got the boxset for Christmas and watched both films within a week of one another. Raiders is fucking gorgeous, but TLC suffers from a lot of grain that I don't remember seeing in Raiders.

Maybe I'm just not remembering them correctly, but I was let down by TLC. I thought it looked almost identical to the DVD copy that I owned previously.

Raiders got a full Spielberg supervised restoration a few years ago, while the other films just used the existing masters for the blu-ray release.
 
Wait, so Operation Condor UK is region-free and the same as the HK version? Also, according to Amazon, seems like Armour of God UK is coming out in March via Mediumware too.

Is Police Story 1/2 NA the same as HK?

Yes to Operation Condor UK Bluray release. It's a dump of the OOP HK bluray. Only exceptions are the UK menus and a UK produced video montage of Jackie's movies.

Shout Factory's Police Story release are the original HK versions with the updated Dub (Not Jackie's voice). It's region A locked though.


This is the same problem with the current releases of DBZ. The Blu Ray's are all cropped to shit. In fact, it is pretty much impossible to get a version of the show anymore that isn't cropped or visually washed out/DNRed/fucked up in some other way. There was like one release put out a few years ago that was good, but it was a special limited edition and is a fortune to buy online.

Lemme tell you the story of DBZ

The special limited edition of DBZ mentioned was called the Dragon Boxes. They were the original Japanese remasters brightened up slightly and presented in recreations of the Japanese packaging in seven installments. And they were good. They were DAMN good. Unfortunately the Dragon Box release came at a price. A limited time to sell it mandated by Toei. Hence the reason it's going for boukou bucks right now.

Funimation did do an earlier non Kai bluray release known as the level sets. They were presented in the 4:3 format and they themselves were remastering the shows using their many generations removed film masters Toei provided. They looked pretty good. Granted they were missing the next episode preview clips that were on the Dragon Boxes but hey, they were in true 1080p and not an upscale. Things are looking good, right?

Not really. The sets sold poorly for the amount of money they were putting in to remaster them. After two volumes they "indefinitely delayed" the releases. A few months later Funimation released a survey showcasing the possibility of their "classic" titles on Blu-ray. Of course people took "Classic titles" as DB/DBZ/DBGT. One of the questions was "Do you prefer to see classic titles in 4:3 or 16:9 format?".

A few months later, they released a non Kai DBZ bluray in volume sets. The remastering looked similar to the Level sets but there's a difference. They cropped the pic. AGAIN! Then they released their other classic titles on bluray and they were unaltered. DBZ fans never caught a break.
 
I've never gotten the Lord of the Rings EE blurays because of that green nonsense in FOTR. it's one of my favorite movies ever, and it would just annoy me too much I know. No matter how minor it may actually be.
 
Are these problems caused by some automated transfer system, or are these creative decisions because they think people want a cleaner image?
 
Shout Factory's Police Story release are the original HK versions with the updated Dub (Not Jackie's voice). It's region A locked though.
I just hope that now BD 4K will be region free, that we'll finally be able to get releases like this. It's an absolute pain to not get Shout Factory and Criterion's because of region encoding.

Also, I haven't personally seen it, but I heard that Citizen Kane's UK BD release is pretty bad. Very worn looking I'm told compared to the US WB release (which is thankfully region free).
 
Yes to Operation Condor UK Bluray release. It's a dump of the OOP HK bluray. Only exceptions are the UK menus and a UK produced video montage of Jackie's movies.

Shout Factory's Police Story release are the original HK versions with the updated Dub (Not Jackie's voice). It's region A locked though.
Ok, thanks.

So what Jackie Blus do you have aside from the aforementioned ones?

All I have is Accidental Spy right now. If I'm going to accept that I'll eventually give in and get the rest (considering I am region A):
- Police Story 1/2 NA (and 3 HK, or trilogy HK or Korea if 3 is OOP
- Project A 1/2 HK
- Wheels on Meals HK
- Armour of God HK (or maybe UK in March?)
- Armour of God 2 UK region-free (HK is OOP)
- Dubbed/cut Drunken Master 2 is the only one available at the time :(

Apparently Drunken Master 1 and Snake in the Eagle's Shadow are going to be released by Twilight Time at some point. They are supposed to not just be upscales.
 
Master and Commander is not quite part of the worst transfers ever, but it really annoys me how soft and blurry the image looks.

Yes, the sound and the movie itself makes up for it, but it's a real shame that it doesn't look as good as it should.

I've never gotten the Lord of the Rings EE blurays because of that green nonsense in FOTR. it's one of my favorite movies ever, and it would just annoy me too much I know. No matter how minor it may actually be.

It's one of my favorite movies and I don't even notice it. Maybe it's because I only saw it on VHS after release, so I don't remember how it's supposed to look, but I think the entire EE box-set is fantastic.
 
Ok, thanks.

So what Jackie Blus do you have aside from the aforementioned ones?

All I have is Accidental Spy right now. If I'm going to accept that I'll eventually give in and get the rest (considering I am region A):
- Police Story 1/2 NA (and 3 HK, or trilogy HK or Korea if 3 is OOP
- Project A 1/2 HK
- Wheels on Meals HK
- Armour of God HK (or maybe UK in March?)
- Armour of God 2 UK region-free (HK is OOP)
- Dubbed/cut Drunken Master 2 is the only one available at the time :(

Apparently Drunken Master 1 and Snake in the Eagle's Shadow are going to be released by Twilight Time at some point. They are supposed to not just be upscales.

I collect a lot of HK movies and the Jackie blus from HK are rather terrible upscales from the Fortune Star dvd transfers. I had to stop buying the blurays after being burned time after time. The contrasts are all wrong, picture smudged then super clear than noisy. Just issues all over. If you can, shill out a few extra pennies for the DVDs.

There are some German blu-rays that are alright, though a few of those don't have the original audio options, which for me atleast is a no-no. And Drunken Master 2, outside of the Thakral OOP dvd, is sort of hit and miss. However there's a custom bluray group called Hong Kong Rescue that released a fairly good composite bluray with proper language and image quality transfer. Not perfect but the best option for now.

 
Wait...the color augmentations to FotR was intentional in the EE blu-ray release? The fuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I remember watching my copy for the first time and being freaked out that the snow scenes were so blue.
 
Just looked at some pictures. It looks really yellow now.



They say that's how it's supposed to look, but honestly who really knows with these old movies. All I know is I've never seen it look like that.

It looks much more natural now with the warm color temp. I have the newer and better transfer, it looks great IMO.
 
Visually I think the Heat Blu Ray is fine.

From an audio standpoint, I think it leaves a lot to be desired. I heard that they're working on a special edition, so I'm hoping they can remaster the sound. The bank robbery scene is nowhere near loud enough on my sound system.
 
Just looked at some pictures. It looks really yellow now.



They say that's how it's supposed to look, but honestly who really knows with these old movies. All I know is I've never seen it look like that.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Man-with-No-Name-Trilogy-Blu-ray/95396/#Review

Tonino Delli Colli's Techniscope cinematography for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly has been restored from the original camera negative (or "OCN") by L'Immagine Ritrovata, the imaging specialty facility created by the Cineteca di Bologna for precisely such projects. Delli Colli died in 2005, but the restoration team consulted with Sergio Salvati, assistant cameraman on the film. They also used Italian Technicolor prints as a color reference. (Far too many internet discussions of classic films complain about the colors on Blu-ray without any basis other than personal preference.)

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Third, the color balance has changed dramatically, a point that has already engendered much comment, primarily from viewers who have seen screen captures but not the disc itself. Yellow has been prominently accentuated throughout, although not (as some have claimed) to the exclusion of all other colors. Screenshot 3 accompanying this review shows an example of a frame bisected by a contrast between a yellowish-brown foreground and the bluish cast of the distant hills, as Lee Van Cleef's "Angel Eyes" dismounts his horse in his first appearance. Deep blues recur repeatedly, both in night scenes and whenever the Union Army appears.

The yellow cast has been confirmed as Leone's intent, which was not reflected in the prior Blu-ray, just as the framing was wrong. If one stares at screen captures, then it seems to jump out, but if one sits down to watch the film straight through, the eye quickly adjusts, as other colors vary and balance the image. By the end of a three-hour viewing, you are no longer aware that anything has changed (until, that is, you put on an older copy).
I recall back in the '90's, Vertigo also had a problem regarding its restoration where there was a limited number of references to allow an accurate restoration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertigo_%28film%29#Restoration

Significant color correction was necessary because of the fading of original negatives. In some cases a new negative was created from the silver separation masters, but in many instances this was impossible because of differential separation shrinkage, and because the 1958 separations were poorly made. Separations used three individual films: one for each of the primary colors. In the case of Vertigo, these had shrunk in different and erratic proportions, making re-alignment impossible. As such, significant amounts of computer assisted coloration were necessary. Although the results are not noticeable on viewing the film, some elements were as many as eight generations away from the original negative, in particular the entire "Judy's Apartment" sequence, which is perhaps the most pivotal sequence in the entire film. When such large portions of re-creation become necessary, then the danger of artistic license by the restorers becomes an issue, and the restorers received some criticism for their re-creation of colors that allegedly did not honor the director's and cinematographer's intentions. The restoration team argued that they did research on the colors used in the original locations, cars, wardrobe, and skin tones. One breakthrough moment came when the Ford Motor Company supplied a well-preserved green paint sample for a car used in the film. As the use of the color green in the film has artistic importance, matching a shade of green was a stroke of luck for restoration and provided a reference shade.
 
Transformers The Movie (1986) has a pretty terrible Blu-ray. The video's MPEG-2, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but is frequently a warning sign. It's cropped to 16:9 (admittedly how it was shown theatrically, but still), colours are weird, lossy audio, etc. I prefer to watch the 20th anniversary DVD.

The US 20th anniversary? Blergh. That wasn't a good restoration job. And they put random laser noises in the soundtrack.
 
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