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Wrasslin' Thread - August 28

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Archie

Second-rate Anihawk
I really don't care about watching WWE right now but here are some Observer notes:

Summerslam Poll Results

Thumbs Up: 131 (32.7%)
Thumbs Down: 149 (37.2%)
Thumbs in the Middle: 121 (30.2%)

Best Match Poll

John Cena vs. Edge: 224
Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley: 91
Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Orton: 27
DX vs. McMahon’s: 23

Worst Match Poll

Batista vs. Booker T: 183
Big Show vs. Sabu: 84
Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Orton: 49
DX vs. McMahon’s: 34
Rey Mysterio vs. Chavo Guerrero: 33


The “biggest party of the summer” ended up being just another monthly PPV. Despite having so much star power, the show fell flat. With seven apparently big matches it came across as a transitional show rather than an event where issues ended. Dave said there is nothing wrong with inconclusive finishes to build, but that this show had them for no real reason other than to have them. Even worse, four of the seven matches had the same finish of a woman interfering, and it went from ridiculous to beyond ridiculous. In the case of Vickie Guerrero it was a step in the storyline, which Dave calls as nauseating a storyline as the company as ever done. Dave says as bad as it looks, he can understand the company’s mentality. In there eyes, they are helping Vickie out by making her a heel manager because it gives her a better income than she could otherwise get and feel they are honoring Eddie. The problem is that only the biggest WWE apologist would see it as not exploiting Eddie, and the crowd showed that by turning on the match, and the fans have shown that over the past few weeks by not caring about the feud at all. The company goes back and forth on crowd reactions by either listening to them or pushing back even harder, and in this case the company will be pushing back and are determined to see this angle through.

Dave understood the Melina finish in the I Quit match and thought it was clever as part of the storyline. Said Foley was never going to let Flair say “I Quit”, and that it would take something beyond physical punishment to get Foley to say it without violating his entire character.

Said that with them having those two finishes, which is one too many, the Sharmell interference finish in the Batista vs. Booker T match was a bad idea. Also said it was telling of them having no ideas because there were numerous other DQ finishes they could have done, seeing as it wasn’t going to lead to anything as it was just a way to get out of beating Batista or changing the title.

Said the finish to the main event, with Lita interfering, would have been fine except for what happened on the undercard and the match stipulation and said it ended a damn good main event by rubbing in how bad the overall booking of the show was.

Said the match quality was ok and apart from the ECW and World title matches nothing was bad as far as the wrestling goes. Called it a mix bag, with a show that should have had memories having nothing you’d really remember except for a lot of blood in the I Quit match and the Hogan comeback.

Said the Cena vs. Edge match was the best match, but no better than most WWE PPV main events and calling it the same good match they’ve been having at house shows since the start of the year.

Called Foley vs. Flair a bloodbath of major proportions and said that if it was 20 years ago it would have been considered a gruesome classic but that it wasn’t long enough or diverse enough to be labeled a classic. Dave said that it felt like the blood and barbed was done just for the sake of it, but that it wound up telling the only real story in a match of the whole night.

Said the live crowd considered Hogan the biggest thing on the show, and said he treated Orton as a stooge for his routine as opposed to a serious opponent, but it worked as well as anything on the show and it led to some funny insider stuff…

Hogan did the crotch chop to Orton as a buzz to Shawn Michaels as the two haven’t any interaction since the year before where Michaels spent hours trying to get to beat Hogan to no avail due to Hogan having creative control. Later on at Summerslam, Hunter did Hogan’s ear cupping deal to get a reaction and got less than half the reaction Hogan did earlier and you could tell Hunter was bothered by that. However, at Raw the next night, when Vince and Kevin Dunn were telling people how much of a success the show was and how the DX vs. McMahon’s angle was the hottest in the company, they specifically said that DX outdid Hogan and that is now the official company line as to what happened at the show.

While Hogan had the sympathy in-built from the knee injury and it could have made the match famous with Hogan battling valiantly but losing in the end because of the knee, Hogan didn’t see it that way and won instead in a match that was forgotten the next day. Said given how the booking committee works, you can’t blame Hogan or Foley for doing what they were able to do with creative control, and that it also showed the difference between the two. Hogan is all for his own legacy, which Dave said is fine because it’s a business where selfishness is a virtue, at least for your own career. Foley was for creating a story where he could lose but in doing so elevate Melina, who he is friends with and wanted to give the main event rub to.

The show drew a sellout of 16,168, with about 13,500 paid. The gate is likely to be around $800,000.

Chavo Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio: **1/4. JBL got heat for his comment about Eddie falling off the wagon, and for something he said later in the show about Batista crying like a bitch when he had to give up the title.
Big Show vs. Sabu: *1/2. Called it a garbage style match and not even a good one.
Hulk Hogan vs. Randy Orton: **1/4.
Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley: ***1/2. Said that the fans chanting “we want fire” during the heavy bloodshed gave it a sense of them viewing it a geek show performance rather than a dramatic wrestling match.
Batista vs. Booker T: ½*. Almost everyone Dave spoke with internally were pretty open regarding Batista’s work. Said Batista was slow and tentative, with none of the explosiveness he used to have, and with his age, losing some size and his injuries said all he has going for him now is the star power he got from playing off of Hunter and Flair.
DX vs. Vince and Shane: ***1/4.
Edge vs. John Cena: ***3/4. Said the story once again was Cena getting booed, and how heavily he was booed depended on where in the building you were, with reports of the crowd being anywhere from 40%-75% pro-Cena.

Other News

WWE and Sci-Fi are close to signing a new deal for ECW.

On the 8/15 ECW show, the Foley beatdown by Knox and Test was meant to lead to Sandman, Dreamer and Foley vs. Test, Knox and someone else the following week. When Foley decided the blowoff to his angle would the match with Flair and combined with the angle the next night, it made the idea redundant. Foley didn’t nix the beatdown, but because the match it was to have led to got scrapped, the beatdown made no sense.

The 12/3 ECW PPV will be held at the Richmond County Civic Center in Augusta, GA, and will be called the December to Dismember.

Matt Striker and Hardcore Holly were moved to the ECW brand this week.

Kurt Angle was being examined over his groin injury on 8/21, and there is now fear that he has a new injury. The Angle/ECW deal has gotten worse in the last few weeks, with people having apparently gone to Vince and John Laurinitis to get Angle taken out of ECW after Angle supposedly said he didn’t’ want to be in ECW unless he got a main event title push. Angle’s biggest issues are non-wrestling. Angle’s family relies on him for financial and emotional support and his wife, who is pregnant with his first son, is leaving him again. Dave mentioned that that would throw anyone for a loop, but combine that with Angle’s breaking down, and his denial of it, and it could see some major issues down the line.

The 2007 PPV schedule looks like this: New Year’s Revolution on 1/7 in Kansas City at the Kemper Arena, Royal Rumble on 1/28 at the SBC Center in San Antonio, No Way Out on 2/18 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, Wrestlemania on 1/ 4 at Ford Field in Detroit, Backlash on 4/29 at the Philips Arena in Atlanta, Judgment Day on 5/20 at Savvis Center in St. Louis, and One Night Stand on 6/10 at the Hammerstein Ballroom.

While Vince was snapping at people on Raw, he was also snapping at people in real life backstage as he was in a foul mood.

There is apparently a list of words that announces are no longer allowed to say on-air, including the terms “belt” and “strap”. They are banned from WWE, OVW and DSW, because Vince thinks they are linked to old-time wrestling.
 
There is apparently a list of words that announces are no longer allowed to say on-air, including the terms “belt” and “strap”. They are banned from WWE, OVW and DSW, because Vince thinks they are linked to old-time wrestling.

You know what else is linked to old-time wrestling? The ring. Get rid of that junk.
 
I feel nothing for WWE right now... usually I love it or just outright hate it but right now I feel nothing and have no opinion on anything...

If there was ever a time to use the word "meh" it is now
 
I barely watched Raw last week...Had a bunch of friends over, schooling fools in Ghost Recon on 360.. I flipped in during load screens etc.. but hardly followed the show.

The problem is there is just not anything interesting goin on. Edge vs. Cena is such a horrible feud, thats been going on WAY too long--I almost want Cena to hurry up and win the belt just to get this shit over with. WWE Creative if they think DX vs. The McMahons has been remotely entertaining aside from the first few weeks they are ****in retarted..shit is beyond gay and boring now. UUUUUUUUUUUUUUMAGA =ZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZ..waste of a megapush... AND NOW THERES NOT EVEN FLAIR vs. FOLEY TO SAVE THE SHOW ANYMORE!!!!

Thank god for heyman and ECW. 4-5 Matches and good storylines in only one hour FTW!!!

There is only one man that can possibly save Raw:

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Keyser Soze said:
I feel nothing for WWE right now... usually I love it or just outright hate it but right now I feel nothing and have no opinion on anything...

If there was ever a time to use the word "meh" it is now

You aint kidding. Fromtheir going "back to the well" REPEATEDLY to their just flat out not TRYING. I feel indifferent to WWE. I cath TNa every week though. The AJ/Daniels vs LAX fued is something not to be missed.
 
Outcast2004 said:
The AJ/Daniels vs LAX fued is something not to be missed.


WWE has absolutely nothing that can compare to this. To even try, they would need an actual tag division first.

I look forward to Impact the way I used to look forward to RAW circa 2000.
 
I'm in college now.

Options:
Watch a shitty edition of RAW

OR

Go hang out with lots of girls who want my penis.

Damn, tough decision.

EDIT: I might be here for ECW though.. classes start Wednesday and I definitely will be back in the dorm early enough to watch it.
 
ghostmind said:
WWE has absolutely nothing that can compare to this. To even try, they would need an actual tag division first.

What about Highlanders vs. Big Vis and Charlie Hass? Thats quality tag team action? Right?.......Right?
 
Bloodwake said:
I'm in college now.

Options:
Watch a shitty edition of RAW

OR

Go hang out with lots of girls who want my penis.

Damn, tough decision.

EDIT: I might be here for ECW though.. classes start Wednesday and I definitely will be back in the dorm early enough to watch it.

TOUGH DECISION!![not]

I already had booty call for today, so hopefully after taking a few shots of seagrams 7 and watching Prision Break, i'll be relaxed and content enough for Raw NOT to piss me off. Chances are I'll be playing 360 by 9:15, though.

"This Monday is one monday closer until I can pretty much ignore raw altogether thanks to Monday Night Football"
 
I used to hate to watch TNA as I am a week behind because of the way it is aired over here on The Wrestling Channel but that does not even bother with me now and I love tuning in every Saturday.. Also I just got done watching a really good hours worth of NOAH that they just aired and even though I don’t understand a word anyone is saying I still loved every minute...

Also there is 2 hours of classic TNA airing when RAW is on...I don’t know how old it is but the listing says there is a Christopher Daniels vs. Low Ki match on it so I will be skipping some of RAW for that :)
 
There is apparently a list of words that announces are no longer allowed to say on-air, including the terms “belt” and “strap”. They are banned from WWE, OVW and DSW, because Vince thinks they are linked to old-time wrestling.
You gotta be kidding me.
 
So..how long before Steph comes back and tries to yank the reigns of ECW right from Paul's hands?

IT's the only show WWE has worth a shit, that can't sit too well with the princess.
 
NME said:
You know what else is linked to old-time wrestling? The ring. Get rid of that junk.
Damn near spit out my Rockstar energy drink right there. :P

I haven't watched a full Raw, beginning to end, in months. I haven't even bothered to flip through the channel when watching something else. Honestly, I gain more enjoyment from reading these threads than watching the show - how ****ed up is that?

I'll stick with TNA, and to a lesser extent, ECW. It's not the same, but there's a different energy to those shows than the Raw/Smackdown debacles, and I like it. Or maybe I'm just so used to having my intelligence insulted by Raw that *anything* looks better in comparison. I'm not burned out on wrestling...but the regular shows just aren't fun anymore.

It's a weird feeling.
 
They're still pushing too many big, boring sloths in ECW for my taste. It's better than Raw and Smackdown because it's watchable, but come on, is that really saying much? I don't give a shit about Tommy Dreamer, Test or Knox. Watching the Big Show is about as fun as going to the dentist or gettiing kicked in the nuts repeatedly. I'm not interested in seeing a Balls vignette and I don't care which old ECW scrub is going to get squashed by Striker, Holly, or whoever else they've decided to import from the WWE roster lately.

I like Kevin Thorn, Sabu, CM Punk (once he has a meaninful match), and maybe RVD on occasion. They're pretty much all that's worth watching, which makes ECW, in turn, tolerable. Well that and the lack of DX and McMahon.
 
bishoptl said:
Damn near spit out my Rockstar energy drink right there. :P

I haven't watched a full Raw, beginning to end, in months. I haven't even bothered to flip through the channel when watching something else. Honestly, I gain more enjoyment from reading these threads than watching the show - how ****ed up is that?

I'll stick with TNA, and to a lesser extent, ECW. It's not the same, but there's a different energy to those shows than the Raw/Smackdown debacles, and I like it. Or maybe I'm just so used to having my intelligence insulted by Raw that *anything* looks better in comparison. I'm not burned out on wrestling...but the regular shows just aren't fun anymore.

It's a weird feeling.


VERY well stated. That's been my biggest beef deep down. When I watch WWE I feel like my intelligence and MEMORY are both being insulted. This is a company that makes it a hobby to forget what they did just a couple weeks ago... and they expect their fanbase to be the same way.

I also love the fact that instead of producing BETTER PPVs and drawing NEW fans, they just raise THE ****ING PRICES to offset the losses. The ONLY positive thing about WWE to me is Edge. This is someone who GETS IT. HE can work a match and work a crowd and you see this guy and you know you're watching the beginnings of a great.

Guzim said:
Oh my ****ing god... THAT IS FUNNY!

PS: Can someone make that avatar friendly?
 
:lol @ the white guy high five near-miss

As far as Rob's comment goes - I have no issue with the Big Show in ECW. He's being booked in a manner that makes sense for his size, which only happened sporadically on Raw. Unlike some ECW fans, I don't have any problems with importing WWE guys onto the roster. The old EC-dub has been dead and gone for some time now - but there's an energy on this new version that you don't get on Raw/Smackdown. That's what I like. That's what makes me watch. Hell, big guys can be entertaining if presented correctly, and the smaller guys (yes, yes, I mean guys like CM Punk) are getting meaningful face time as well. My only concern - and it's a well-founded one - is that once ECW starts showing some traction, it'll be sabotaged from within by the usual suspects. So I'll enjoy what I can, while I can.

...damn, this is the most substantial post I've made in a wrestling thread since February.
 
Outcast2004 said:
So..how long before Steph comes back and tries to yank the reigns of ECW right from Paul's hands?

IT's the only show WWE has worth a shit, that can't sit too well with the princess.


It's not even that. ECW brings in little money, so I doubt Steph and Vince will bother with it too much. When something is making money, then the McMahon gene starts to kick in. It mirrors WCW Thunder in alot of ways. Do you guys remember that Thunder was supposed to be a showcase for up and coming talent? Nitro and Thunder were supposed to be 2 completely different shows, with 2 different rosters. Thunder started getting good ratings, then the headliners started angling to make special appearances on Thunder, then it became Nitro pt 2., then turning it into a joke like Nitro was.

I think the issue with WWE today is that they make their money overseas and with merchandise and DVD sales mostly now. So you see excellent DVDs coming out, you hear about sold out international tours, and you see domestic TV go down the tubes. Mainly because the money that WWE gets for Smackdown, Raw and ECW are not tied to ratings or ad revenue at all. They just get paid to deliver shows. Even with that money not even meaning much to the bottom line, I don't think they care about it too much. They just know TV is necessary. It is the formula for ultimate failure, but that is where it is.
 
Here is an avatarized Tenay...

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BTW I was just about to post something positive about ECW here but just as I was about to type Enter Sandman started playing on my TV (it was on some music station) and I just gave up.. :(
 
The comeback trail continues for the Enigmatic Superstar as he meets The Legend Killer for the No. 1 Contendership to the Intercontinental Championship tonight on RAW.

Also, Torrie and Candice will compete in a Back to School Girl Paddle on a Pole Match.

WWE RAW airs live tonight on the SCI-FI channel.

Hardy vs. Orton..meh. Not a big fan of Hardy unless hes in a gimmick match. and LMFAO at Orton going from fighting Hogan to being in the IC title hunt.



legend killer bitches...:(
 
I didn't think a title could look worst than Cenas...But Edge's taking Cena's belt and replacing the center piece with a magazine cut-out proved me wrong...:(

Edit: Shard..you can't say belt(or strap) anymore..Didn't you get the memo?
 
Nameless said:
I didn't think a title could look worst than Cenas...But Edge's taking Cena's belt and replacing the center piece with a magazine cut-out proved me wrong...:(

Edit: Shard..you can't say belt(or strap) anymore..Didn't you get the memo?


I ignpred that memo.
 
John Cena you aren't funny. John Cena you aren't the Rock..John Cena I ****in hate you.


must...resist....urge....to...play...360....
 
Oh Cena, you scoundrel you...

Where would I be without your zany antics? Oh yeah, that's right... I'd actually enjoy Raw.


EDIT: AW ****.... Edge is gonna lose the title in his hometown. I'd kill to have Cena on Smackdown..then I'd never have to watch him again.
 
Chris Master vs Cena... Wow.. could this suck ANY MORE?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Masters looks like SHIT! And the crowd is STILL indifferent
 
LMFAO..Looks like Masters is in for the same punishment that Nitro and RVD got..WHich is to get his ass kicked by John Cena.. Doesn't get much worst than that.
 
When you think about technically crowd is supposed to be silent and in awe during The Masterpiece's unveiling, but this . . . ugh.

CENA TO WIN BELT BACK!!! CENAMANIACS REJOICE!!!
 
King: ...leaner and meaner Chris Masters....

Well, he got the "leaner" part right. Randy Orton is bigger than the supposed "MAsterpiece" now. How ****ing sad is that?

EDIT: is it just me, or does it look like Master's trucks are just HANGING off his body? He's dropped a TON of weight.
 
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