not sure what happening with those games but as much as WRC8 good looking in rain at night , its not very fun to play with controller, besides some vibrations im not very feeling car at all. maybe they tried too much for this game to be good playing with wheels. i wanted to like it and i did liked some parts of it , but then its so hard to control your car with x1 or ps4 controller. when it brakes when you try to corner it ,, i duno i just dont feel what cars doing , like it sliding via ground not actually driving . i remember i liked Dirt rally 1 much better , but later didint liked dirt 4 or dirt rally 2.0. something just not fun about it to play it with controller. yes you can learn it , but whats the point of you dont feel car.