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Rumors now are that the OLED iPhone won't ship until late October.
9to5Mac got their hands on the iOS11 GM and this thing is a treasure trove of information. Four days out, damn
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/ios-11-gm-d22-iphone-8-details/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/ios-11-gm-wallpapers/
I have a fun idea: wait until Tuesday before jumping to conclusionsPurely basing off that animated face in that 9to5mac article, the detection angles look extremely limited. Oops.
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/how-setting-up-face-id-iphone-8-will-work/Heres how setting up Face ID on the iPhone 8 will work
Continuing our deep dive with the leaked iOS 11 GM build, were discovering more about the upcoming iPhones facial recognition system. Rumored to be the new authentication system, the Face ID setup should look familiar to many Touch ID users.
Earlier this evening we began sharing images and videos discovered in the iOS 11 GM leak. One of these videos was a short clip showing a Finder-like face tilting about. After searching a bit further, weve gotten further indications into just how setting up Face ID will work.
What was referenced as Pearl ID in previous leaks, looks to be Apples upcoming Face ID feature set to replace Touch ID.
Similar to the Touch ID experience, users will be required to create a passcode for when Face ID isnt available. Once one has been created, iOS guides users towards getting their faces recognized and loaded into the system.
In the first step, users are asked to gently move their heads in a circle, while looking at the screen. The instructions go on to explain that Face ID performs better when all angles of your face are captured. Unlike Touch ID, if Face ID wasnt able to perform a full capture, users can exit and finish later on. After running two full Face ID captures, the process is complete.
When configuring Face ID, the setup process provides helpful hints to guide users along. Messages telling users to Hold your iPhone 10 to 20 inches from your face and Tilt your head downwards/left/right/upwards were discovered in the GM strings. The Face ID setup also detects when the face is obstructed, out of view, or if another face is present during the setup.
The strings in this view may point out that the configuration area is not fully fleshed out as one line mentions: Lines for privacy lorem ipsum and potential second line that might include.
Below that, we see mention of settings that fall in line with Touch IDs settings. These strings, which will most likely appear on a page titled Face ID & Passcode, mentions an option to use Partial Capture. This sounds like it could be the experience when a user hasnt completed a full facial capture, but would still like to use Face ID with what it did grab.
Interesting to note is that the Face ID setup mentions being aware of when a user is looking at the phone. This falls in-line with previous discoveries:
Attention is detected when you are looking at the screen. When attention is detected, iPhone does not dim the display.
It sounds as though the new iPhone will be smart enough to stay on as you look at the device instead of dimming right while youre in the middle of a good read.
Follow along as we continue to discover everything we can in the latest iOS 11 leak. We started the evening off with iOS 11s new attention grabbing wallpapers, details on the upcoming LTE Apple Watch and carrier options, and more information on the upcoming iPhones Portrait Lighting, and updated AirPods.
Yeah, the whole port story is very inconsistent. They left the jack on the MacBooks because they are "pro" devices yet sell MBA and rMB which clearly aren't meant for "pro" use. I wish they had removed the jack on the rMB and replaced it with a second USB-C. Would've been way more versatile and useful.I think the most surprising thing about all this is the lack of outrage, or even criticism, from the press at large when it comes to these omissions. Apple have in the last few years removed significant components of their hardware for what can be described as, at best, dubious reasons.
Now, in order to shave off the bezels at the top and bottom, Apple are removing TouchID. At what point do journalists begin to admit the consumer experience is worsening on Apple hardware?
I'll never forget the interview where Phil Schiller reasoned the MicroSD card slot wasn't ideal because "things stick out", and then suggesting consumers get a USB reader, not realising that it would mean a dongle and thus an even larger thing "sticking out". And if that wasn't ideal, he suggested transferring images from your DSLR via Wifi.
That is the sort of interview, or mindset, that would get sales people fired. And yet that is coming from senior management. It should send alarm bells ringing.
christ I think i need to stop responding to these otherwise ill look like the ultimate fanboy lol, but here we go:
Aside from the headphone jack, what other significant components have they removed for "dubious" reasons?
I hope the new iPhone has an AUX port just to shut everyone up who's still whining about it a year later.
Bluetooth is beyond more functional and efficient. It's 2017. Buy Bluetooth headphones.
Bluetooth headphones are like $25, and one charge lasts multiple days. It's really only a big deal to people who make it one. Everyone else only benefits.Why are people complaining about having to buy expensive headphones that you'll need to charge? That's a good question. I don't have an answer.
White faced phones were a mistake since day one. RIPDamn, all colors come with a black front. I actually started liking the way the white dummies looked.
Where did you read this?Damn, all colors come with a black front. I actually started liking the way the white dummies looked.
Same here actually, I kinda dig the silver dummy with white bezels now after seeing it for a whileDamn, all colors come with a black front. I actually started liking the way the white dummies looked.
KGI report from today https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/iphone-8-3d-sensors-all-colors-black-front/Where did you read this?
I always have been a silver user because I love that color but the way the small bezels looked on the 8 sure didn't look good to me so I was thinking of switching to a black model.
If the front is black for every color I'll stick with my precious silver.
Bluetooth headphones are like $25, and one charge lasts multiple days. It's really only a big deal to people who make it one. Everyone else only benefits.
White faced phones were a mistake since day one. RIP
Where did you read this?
I always have been a silver user because I love that color but the way the small bezels looked on the 8 sure didn't look good to me so I was thinking of switching to a black model.
If the front is black for every color I'll stick with my precious silver.
There is fundamentally no logical way a system that relies on your face is more convenient and easier to use than a system that relies on your finger print. The concept itself leads to serious questions:
How can you reason that it's better in comparison when we don't even know how effective it will be in these situations, especially when the omission of the TouchID seems to have been a reaction to production delays rather than an original design decision? As of this moment, scepticism is arguably more justified than support much less a defense of this change.
- What if you're wearing a hat?
[*]What if the reflection off your glasses prevents eye detection?- What about when the NFC machine is a turnstile at a subway station meaning you have to face your phone flat down onto it?
- The ports of the Macbook were removed to shave off 3mm.
- They were also removed to encourage adoption of USB-C, but you'll need to carry dongles with you. Because obviously you want a lighter, thinner laptop so you have room for these in your backpack.
- The iPhone doesn't have a USB-C port, and even the 8 seems to retain the Lighting port, thus undermining the whole "new technology" rationale.
You might be able to rationalise one, or two, but what you have is a contradiction of ideas. Worse yet, it harms the experience. You're either using a dongle, or limited to Lighting earbuds. And now, we're trying to think of ways a selfie-system is more convenient than a finger print.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/09/09/inner-workings-of-apples-face-id-camera-detailed-in-report
In a note to investors seen by AppleInsider, KGI analyst Ming-Chi Kuo details the components, manufacturing process and behind-the-scenes technology that make Apple's depth-sensing camera tick.
Referenced in HomePod firmware as Pearl ID, and more recently as "Face ID" in an iOS 11 GM leak, Apple's facial recognition system is expected by some to serve as a replacement for Touch ID fingerprint reader technology. As such, the underlying hardware and software solution must be extremely accurate, and fast as well.
According to Kuo, Apple's system relies on four main components: a structured light transmitter, structure light receiver, front camera and time of flight/proximity sensor.
As outlined in multiple reports, the structured light modules are likely vertical-cavity surface-emitting laser (VCSEL) arrays operating in the infrared spectrum. These units are used to collect depth information which, according to Kuo, is integrated with two-dimensional image data from the front-facing camera. Using software algorithms, the data is combined to build a composite 3D image.
Kuo points out that structured light transmitter and receiver setups have distance constraints. With an estimated 50 to 100 centimeter hard cap, Apple needs to include a proximity sensor capable of performing time of flight calculations. The analyst believes data from this specialized sensor will be employed to trigger user experience alerts. For example, a user might be informed that they are holding an iPhone too far or too close to their face for optimal 3D sensing.
In order to ensure accurate operation, an active alignment process must be performed on all four modules before final assembly.
Interestingly, the analyst notes the ambient light sensor deployed in the upcoming iPhone will support True Tone display technology. Originally introduced in 2016, True Tone tech dynamically alters device display color temperatures based on information gathered by ambient light sensors. This functionality will also improve the performance of 3D sensing apparatus, Kuo says.
The analyst believes the most important applications of 3D sensing to be facial recognition, which could replace fingerprint recognition, and a better selfie user experience.
Kuo believes all OLED iPhone models — white, black and gold — will feature a black coating on their front cover glass to conceal the VCSEL array, proximity sensor and ambient light sensor from view. The prediction is in line with current Apple device designs that obscure components from view.
Thanks for the link. I appreciate it.KGI report from today https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/08/iphone-8-3d-sensors-all-colors-black-front/
Damn, all colors come with a black front. I actually started liking the way the white dummies looked.
There is fundamentally no logical way a system that relies on your face is more convenient and easier to use than a system that relies on your finger print. The concept itself leads to serious questions:
How can you reason that it's better in comparison when we don't even know how effective it will be in these situations, especially when the omission of the TouchID seems to have been a reaction to production delays rather than an original design decision? As of this moment, scepticism is arguably more justified than support much less a defense of this change.
- What if you're wearing a hat?
- What if the reflection off your glasses prevents eye detection?
- What about when the NFC machine is a turnstile at a subway station meaning you have to face your phone flat down onto it?
I think it's really awesome. The leaks make it seem like the perfect phone. Exactly the shot in the arm needed to bury the competition.
I have a fun idea: wait until Tuesday before jumping to conclusions
I have an even more fun idea. I amuse myself by speculating about the phone, and people do not feel the need to defend a phone that's not out yet and from a company they have no material stake in.
TouchID will be in the 8. They're feeding you with bad news so when it gets announced with TouchID the impact will be greater and more people hype-buy. C'mon son
And give up quality sound for something that is more expensive, harder to repair, and has a shorter lifespan? No thanks.I hope the new iPhone has an AUX port just to shut everyone up who's still whining about it a year later.
Bluetooth is beyond more functional and efficient. It's 2017. Buy Bluetooth headphones.
I think the most surprising thing about all this is the lack of outrage, or even criticism, from the press at large when it comes to these omissions. Apple have in the last few years removed significant components of their hardware for what can be described as, at best, dubious reasons.
Now, in order to shave off the bezels at the top and bottom, Apple are removing TouchID. At what point do journalists begin to admit the consumer experience is worsening on Apple hardware?
I'll never forget the interview where Phil Schiller reasoned the MicroSD card slot wasn't ideal because "things stick out", and then suggesting consumers get a USB reader, not realising that it would mean a dongle and thus an even larger thing "sticking out". And if that wasn't ideal, he suggested transferring images from your DSLR via Wifi.
That is the sort of interview, or mindset, that would get sales people fired. And yet that is coming from senior management. It should send alarm bells ringing.
Probably not. They are making a push for AR applications, and want talent with experience in that field. (not that the front camera won't be related to this, but Primesense will likely add more value than improving face unlock.)So is this the reason for Apple purchasing Primesense, the company behind Kinect?
Yes, I feel the same way. But then I remember the kind of fingerprint and biometric scanners that I used before TouchIDand that I still use at work. How slow and finicky they were. Apple's solution was so far ahead it was not really comparable. So I have hope.I'm sure Apple have this nailed, but I have so many horrible experiences of camera based biometrics that Im just naturally sceptical. That article talking about needing to tell people to move closer/further away gives me flashbacks to airport biometric scanners. Urgh.
christ I think i need to stop responding to these otherwise ill look like the ultimate fanboy lol, but here we go:
Apple aren't just removing touchID for no reason, they're replacing it with (we're assuming) a better alternative. How exactly is this a sign of a worsening user experience? Aside from the headphone jack, what other significant components have they removed for "dubious" reasons?
Now for the microSD interview, this is why they don't support it:
From the iPhone 6s onward they've used NVME storage, massively boosting speed across apps and the UI. This graph has no android counterpart because they are so low on the chart. MicroSD is a good example of creating a complicated user experience that can also negatively impact the phone, because they're nowhere near as fast. Schiller was right.
iPhone 6s graph with other phones included
Ugh I would love this phone a lot more if it wasnt for the stupid notch and no Touch ID.
The obsession with getting rid of bezels is so annoying.
I have money for and am interested in the Pro or whatever it is but justifying 1000 dollars is tough. Fuck
TouchID will be in the 8. They're feeding you with bad news so when it gets announced with TouchID the impact will be greater and more people hype-buy. C'mon son
My friend just posted a photo of the new iPhone, I dont see a touch id on the screen...
He works at a cellphone place...