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WSJ: Nintendo Begins Distributing Software Kit for NX (Console + Handheld units)

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Netflix-style Virtual Console would be the smartest thing for them to do.
The VC doesn't sound super profitable or they would've invested more into it. Drip feeding it seems to be their preferred form of business but it still doesn't seem to be making them a lot. A subscription service while releasing those at a steadier pace makes sense especially if combined with other benefits like discounts, early releases (week early digitally like Wind Waker), exclusive demos, etc. Unlike Ps+, it wouldn't disincentivize purchasing new digital releases at the thought of it being free a few months later either and it would be another source of revenue for them. There's a lot they could do there.
 
I don't think there's good reason to be optimistic right now. Too often have I heard or read that Nintendo will finally turn things around. Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.
 
That was the whole point of my email to Mr Mochi from the WSJ, to clarify that Industry Leading Chips phrase. He indictated that while he was not told specs, he was told the NX would be using Cutting Edge technology to power the system and to run the demo shown would take a PC with higher end recent components. For those in this thread dismissing this as not meaning anything are looking a tad questionable my opinion, it means a lot, otherwise it wouldn't have gathered this much attention.

He also said he didn't know if it was as powerful as PS4/XBO, and that his sources wouldn't elaborate on what cutting edge meant. The vagueness doesn't sit right with me. The amount of attention it's geting is irrelevant imo.

I don't think there's good reason to be optimistic right now. Too often have I heard or read that Nintendo will finally turn things around. Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.

They turned things around sales-wise just last gen lol. In terms of creating a comparable 3rd party and online environment/infrastructure, yeah probably not gonna happen in one console cycle.
The "Nintendo's gonna Nintendo" thing has been posted word for word like 400 times already.
 
In my opinion, it doesn't matter what the NX is if Nintendo continues to market their hardware only to children and families.

NX really needs to be a console aimed at everyone. Core gamers, lapsed gamers, kids, familes, etc.

Yes, the Wii U had "mature" titles (Bayo 2, Fatal Frame, Devil's Third) but they were never a selling point in Nintendo's eyes. Nintendo basically spends all of their marketing on franchises like Mario, Pokemon, and Yo-kai Watch. They should obviously continue to do so, but if they don't start attracting other sectors of the market, NX is not going to be much more successful than Wii U. I'm hoping having Zelda at launch will be the beginning of a generation where Nintendo is actually targeting everyone, not just saying they do.

The first year should have software like Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pikmin, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Pokemon, F-Zero....and every game should be treated as a big deal.
 
I think this might be one of the worst ideas mentioned in this entire topic. Worst case scenario, Nintendo's online never really takes off (I don't really think this will happen, I think they'll have their own successful niche ecosystem) and this becomes pointless. Best case scenario, Nintendo's platform is viable to compete with PS4/X1 (I don't think this will happen btw), their online loses the one edge it has over those.

worst case scenario: they make money

best case scenario: they make a bunch of money


no one is going to not buy the new nintendo console just because they charge for online play, the same way no one boycotted PS4 just because they started charging for online.

the market has accepted the concept of paying for online play with consoles. it's time nintendo jumped on board. they can also offer some great free games from their back catalog that can make the monthly/annual fee seem like a much better deal than what playstation and xbox are offering.
 
I don't think there's good reason to be optimistic right now. Too often have I heard or read that Nintendo will finally turn things around. Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.
I'm feeling pretty good about it. I'm not thinking too much about specs (probably not as powerful as PS4, IMO) but I think they're in a position where it won't matter too much. It'll likely be powerful enough to run UE4 is SE is any indication which should allow Japanese multiplats to run on it since a lot are going that route and in terms of profitability via software sales they should do well.
 
Again, I'm not saying Nintendo is going to experience a PS4-esque turnaround with this one console. The NX should be a big step in the right direction. Do away with the old, conservative, "fuck third parties" Nintendo, and enter the future.

If Nintendo creates a console that is the best place to play for the lowest price, it will raise eyebrows. Will there be a mass exodus from Xbox and Playstation? Probably not. But people will take notice. People will realize that Nintendo is actually going after the core audience and offering something that the competition can't quite hang with, and that's quite the statement. If the PS5 and Xbtwo drop right alongside the NX2, and Nintendo once again is offering the most attractive console for a reasonable price, who's to say people won't jump ship to Nintendo?

Of course, Sony's dominance over this gen came with quite a bit of good fortune. Xbox managed to completely destroy their brand with the botched reveal of an overpriced, underpowered console. Even now they haven't been able to bounce back. Meanwhile, Nintendo's Wii U was made irrelevant basically as soon as it launched. The opportunity was right there for Sony, and they took advantage big time.

That being said... it's not like the PS4 isn't deserving here. It's a great fucking console. It's well built, has the best console versions of a bunch of great games, and was priced perfectly. Not to mention the fantastic marketing. I look at how the reveal, marketing, launch and lifecycle of the PS4, and I see very few mistakes. Nintendo should take some notes from the market leader, it's as simple as that.

As far as the core market goes, Nintendo can't credibly claim to offer "the best place to play" unless they rip a page from the MS-circa-2000 playbook and spend vast sums of money on third-party moneyhats and Western first-party development.

Even assuming they could afford to do so, which is a highly questionable assumption, there's no indication they're doing that.
 
Oh man, future NX (or whatever silly name they give it) threads are going to look so empty to me...

Anyway, do we have any REAL information? Or just continuing "X say the NX is so potent it could beat God mode Goku, but for reasons, we all know it will be just a potato with a clock in it"? Trying to read this thread is like following a 5 years old retell of a movie most adults don't get (plenty of side tracking, off-topic blatter).
 
I don't think there's good reason to be optimistic right now. Too often have I heard or read that Nintendo will finally turn things around. Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.

What things? Because they turned many things many times and many things have been done right.
 
I don't think there's good reason to be optimistic right now. Too often have I heard or read that Nintendo will finally turn things around. Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.

I suppose anything that's an improvemet over the wii u is a plus at this point.
 
Oh man, future NX (or whatever silly name they give it) threads are going to look so empty to me...

Anyway, do we have any REAL information? Or just continuing "X say the NX is so potent it could beat God mode Goku, but for reasons, we all know it will be just a potato with a clock in it"? Trying to read this thread is like following a 5 years old retell of a movie most adults don't get (plenty of side tracking, off-topic blatter).

The real information is that they are targeting industry leading chips for NX with insiders making the assumption that the final product should rival or exceed the ps4 based off of some sort of tech demo that struggled to maintain 60fps at 1080p on some fairly high end pc hardware.
 
Nah, I am not interested in a device that only streams games. Plus, you have to take into account that not everyone has the best internet. I doubt Nintendo could pull that off and have it be a success.

probably meant the £5/$5 all you can eat model, it'd cost more in bandwidth to stream these than to download :p
 
while its nice to see nintendo finally making descent hardware, not sure if this true at this point, as anything could happen, how is nintendo gonna get third party's on board? nintendo missed out on the generation where 3rd party games and online gaming became huge, franchise like cod, batman, gta, asscreed and many other's already have a huge established user base on playlstation and xbox consoles, for core gamers gamers to abandon them nintendo will need to do everything better, along with a better price, and it need sony and Microsoft to mess up, like sony did with the ps3, and letting the 360 take a huge chunk of it's market share, in other words it's gonna take a miracle.
 
Nah, I am not interested in a device that only streams games. Plus, you have to take into account that not everyone has the best internet. I doubt Nintendo could pull that off and have it be a success.

Why would you stream NES game video, when NES roms are a handful of kilobytes, when NES emulators practically run on toasters at this point?

I assume Alberto meant "Pay a flat fee each month, pick games you want to play from a rotating catalog".
 
I don't think there's good reason to be optimistic right now. Too often have I heard or read that Nintendo will finally turn things around. Nintendo's gonna Nintendo.
Nintendo is always "gonna Nintendo" but I think they've learned a lot over the last few years. I haven't noticed them taking steps back in any regard. They just happen to take baby steps forward, but progress is progress.

The mere philosophy behind unifying the ecosystem and making the console and handheld "brothers" per Iwata's quote is a step in the right direction and shows that Nintendo is really thinking about how to simplify things for the consumer.

They will NOT have a perfect run. Any ideas they implement, they will NOT implement perfectly. But, I'm pretty sure they'll offer a more enticing product than the Wii U in the end.
 
Even a worst case console like the WiiU was capable of selling more than 5 million Mario Kart games. There is still a large audience that wants dedicated console games of Nintendo games. That it was also released 3 years after Mario Kart 7 for the 3DS also helped. .

But how much did 8 cost to make, relative to 7, DS and Wii? Obviously it was quite a bit more, as evidenced by the existence of DLC.

Or look at Smash. In spite of being on two consoles, it hasn't sold much more than Brawl sold on just one. And Smash Wii U was HD, while Brawl wasn't.
 
Netflix-style Virtual Console would be the smartest thing for them to do.

bundle it into their pay-for-online-play system.

Basic: $60/year. includes all (Nintendo developed) NES titles
Premium: $120/year. includes all (Nintendo developed) NES/SNES/GB/GBA/N64 games.
and then release GameCube VC games already for fucks sake. $5 a title.
 
They've made clear enough not to expect any specifics on NX until next year, but there should at least be some relevant info on the DeNA partnership and their overall strategic direction.

Also, we have yet to hear about the new club nintendo/rewards system, which was supposed to launch this fall.
 
I would love that.

Nintendo could offer the same with soundtrack... like Spotify

Interesting idea. The ability to play Nintendo soundtracks as background music in other games.

Wont do the same mistake again.
Not a Nintendo-fan anymore.

I'm with you on this. Whilst I still have a hard-on for Zelda and Metroid, I will likely have a friend I whose console I can borrow to play those. Nintendo would have to show me a machine with full third party support, solid tech specs or some other extremely compelling feature. The few games of theirs I love are not enough to get me to fork out money for their consoles anymore and then have it collect dust for most of the generation.
 
Interesting idea. The ability to play Nintendo soundtracks as background music in other games.

I always thought that you really should get the soundtracks to the games you buy in the 3DS music app. It'd give a nice incentive to buy stuff digitally and to actually use the music app.
 
Also, we have yet to hear about the new club nintendo/rewards system, which was supposed to launch this fall.

At this point, I suppose both the mobile game and new Club Nintendo will be detailed at the Investor meeting in a week. The former is well known to be happening soon (given who is Serkan Toto, and considering how he's undeniably informed on the matter), the latter was programmed to be unveiled this Fall...and, despite Iwata's death, I haven't seen Nintendo's internal development changing that much to presume such things could be delayed, and the news this thread is based on kind of confirm that, IMHO (we saw Star Fox delayed, but that's another matter).
 
I miss the reward programs Nintendo had set near the start of the generation. The DDP and Club Nintendo made me feel a lot better about my digital purchases.
I managed to snag 1k worth of eShop cards at 20% off with 14% back thanks to the DDP and Best Buy's point system. It might of been too generous, but it does feel rather nice to get rewards for purchasing software.
I hope they do something similar with the new system. Maybe allowing you to earn extra points.
Preloading snags you double the points, buying game bundles snags you extra points, sharing a trailer/game page snags you extra points.
Hell, even beating games could be used as a way to reward players.
Like Best Buy, they could reward players with a higher percentage of points and other benefits if they pass a certain threshold as well. (I'm currently Best Buy elite member so I get more points, better service, free express shipping)
Rewarding people who are loyal to your brand will keep them loyal. It incentivizes consumers to buy more games which would help sell more and for the word to spread.
 
There's also QOL - it was supposed to launch this FY, yet we've heard barely anything since they announced the ResMed deal nearly a year ago.

Well Iwata was spearheading that department so presumably it was put on the backburner a bit in the last year. I expect it to pop up in some form, I even wonder if it will tie in with their mobile projects.
 
Well Iwata was spearheading that department so presumably it was put on the backburner a bit in the last year. I expect it to pop up in some form, I even wonder if it will tie in with their mobile projects.
I think I read a rumour news story recently that it's apparently been cancelled.
 
I think I read a rumour news story recently that it's apparently been cancelled.

That was just speculation, I thought.

But I wouldn't be shocked - given the volume of competition in the fitness/health market, mobile gaming and IP licensing make far more sense as avenues of diversification for Nintendo.
 
That was just speculation, I thought.

But I wouldn't be shocked - given the volume of competition in the fitness/health market, mobile gaming and IP licensing make far more sense as avenues of diversification for Nintendo.

That was just one of the products though. The entire QoL wasn't about health, but essentially Nintendo releasing products direct to consumers without needing a video game machine. We only saw the first of many products being conceived.

I think it still represents a viable market for Nintendo in Japan. Hell, they could even release an updated version of the Love Tester under that line.

Another reason why QoL also exists, is that Nintendo employs hundreds of mechanical engineers. They need something to do.
 
I miss the reward programs Nintendo had set near the start of the generation. The DDP and Club Nintendo made me feel a lot better about my digital purchases.
I managed to snag 1k worth of eShop cards at 20% off with 14% back thanks to the DDP and Best Buy's point system. It might of been too generous, but it does feel rather nice to get rewards for purchasing software.
I hope they do something similar with the new system. Maybe allowing you to earn extra points.
Preloading snags you double the points, buying game bundles snags you extra points, sharing a trailer/game page snags you extra points.
Hell, even beating games could be used as a way to reward players.
Like Best Buy, they could reward players with a higher percentage of points and other benefits if they pass a certain threshold as well. (I'm currently Best Buy elite member so I get more points, better service, free express shipping)
Rewarding people who are loyal to your brand will keep them loyal. It incentivizes consumers to buy more games which would help sell more and for the word to spread.

what I want is some incentive to go digital, make it as cheap as retail or cheaper. I dont like the idea of having to go switch disc if I wanna play some splatoon for 20 mins, but I dont wanna pay £40/50 when I can get £35 retail with some physical widget bonus item. (actually quite like the collectors widgets, so maybe send me a retail DL key with the preorder bonus :p)
 
That was just one of the products though. The entire QoL wasn't about health, but essentially Nintendo releasing products direct to consumers without needing a video game machine. We only saw the first of many products being conceived.

I think it still represents a viable market for Nintendo in Japan. Hell, they could even release an updated version of the Love Tester under that line.

Another reason why QoL also exists, is that Nintendo employs hundreds of mechanical engineers. They need something to do.
QoL was clearly made to appeal to the Wii Fit and Brain age crowd. Those guys might be lost forever from the gaming realm, but they still exists. Without a gaming machine holding it back (image and price) it could do very well.
I do not see the point of these posts.

Does the loss of Iwata mean there will be an impact on how the console is designed?
I think he means that he isn't interested in anything the NX will turn out to be.
 
If it's launching next year I honestly wouldn't even unveil it at E3. Just hint at support.
Not sure what you mean. Like don't show it off at e3 and just promise that it'll be good? Or for them to announce it before e3?
what I want is some incentive to go digital, make it as cheap as retail or cheaper. I dont like the idea of having to go switch disc if I wanna play some splatoon for 20 mins, but I dont wanna pay £40/50 when I can get £35 retail with some physical widget bonus item. (actually quite like the collectors widgets, so maybe send me a retail DL key with the preorder bonus :p)
It is in the US, but I do hear that that's the case in places like Canada and Europe. Not sure why that's the case or how to fix it.
 
Not sure what you mean. Like don't show it off at e3 and just promise that it'll be good? Or for them to announce it before e3?

It's a possibility they could show it off before E3, then show games and demos during E3. Not even Sony or Microsoft are waiting for E3 anymore these days, and their systems were revealed before E3.
 
I think he means that he isn't interested in anything the NX will turn out to be.

Then why bother posting here if there isn't anything constructive to say?
There are none. Thankfully mods have been been trimming fat it seems. I think we're missing 3 pages from a derail that happened.
I'm starting to believe there's just a substantial amount of GAF who really dislikes Nintendo, to the point every Nintendo thread is littered with negative criticisms, follwed by one or two thinly vield remarks about how Nintendo should go 3rd party. I'm just too sick of it.
 
If it's launching next year I honestly wouldn't even unveil it at E3. Just hint at support.

I think it would be pretty dope if they did a "Nintendo returns to E3" sort of thing and did a huge main stage blowout revealing the system and launch line up, and then have said launch lineup playable on the floor.
 
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