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WSJ: Sony Plans New PlayStation for Graphics-Heavy Games
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wapplew
Member
1080p/30dps to 1080p/60fps is massive improvement, like 100% more frames.
That's about 3-4 years of GPU tech advancement.
I'm not seeing how your logic disagrees with what I've said. The appeal of a console like this for existing owners is niche, and only the hardcore will fork over the money to replace or add another console. If it becomes a business model going forward, the rate of early adoption will slow significantly - because only the hardcore would gun for the 'elite' model. Hence niche appeal.
gigantor21
Member
MFW I keep waiting for the PS4 to get more quality exclusives and now I get a better console too.
The waiting life is strong.
Same, LOL. I'm even more thankful I didn't buy one last year now.
This is what I want most out of PS4K. If Sony pushes the envelope on thermal limits with water cooling, we could see a Fury X design in a small enclosure.
That won't help, in fact that's kind of the problem. People got used to the idea that a new generation makes the old one obsolete, what's changing now is precisely that.
Why are you talking about abstractions? They don't matter in this context.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I'm not sure you're reading 'extremely' right. Extremely niche appeal would mean the core base who would buy it is very small. Hence, significantly reduced early adoption rate.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
We already have 1080p/60fps games on both consoles. Would it really demand that much more to make sure all games ran at 60fps? I'm not technically minded so I don't know.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Cross-Gen is here to stay.
The old generation will remain relevant for a very long time. The PS3 STILL HAS cross generation titles. Japan, in fact, has a larger support for PS3 than it does for PS4. Moreover, the industry cannot reset a userbase with a new generation.
Creating an all new title for PlayStation 5 on day 1 will surely equal to zero profit if the current rate of magnification in budgets holds true. The smarter things is for the industry to focus on targets that can be improved without killing itself: Resolution, Framerates, Lighting, etc.
flipswitch
Member
What are the odds the PSVR box gets integrated in the new ps4?
I hope zero. Every inch of space in the PS4K should be dedicated to native performance. The external box with the PSVR is more or less a video splitter.
King Gilga
Member
I think I'll just finish tlou r until dawn and blood borne and return my ps4 to amazon and see how this pans out, it gets annoyingly loud sometimes anyways.
If this is just for 4K support and VR then I don't mind.
I swear to god ONE single game is exclusive to the PS4.5 and I'll jump ship to Nintendo so fast it won't even be funny.
I will not put up with this crap in the console market. It's why I can't stand PC gaming, and it's why I will stop playing consoles if need be.
I swear to god ONE single game is exclusive to the PS4.5 and I'll jump ship to Nintendo so fast it won't even be funny.
I will not put up with this crap in the console market. It's why I can't stand PC gaming, and it's why I will stop playing consoles if need be.
Obliterator
Member
God I cant wait till we gets specs. It will be soon as well as publications are battling to be the first with the scoop. Bet we know within the next month or so
joecanada
Member
Same, LOL. I'm even more thankful I didn't buy one last year now.
I've enjoyed mine for 2 years straight and will trade it in and upgrade happily. I sure don't regret the almost three years I'll use my ps4
It's 2013 again. Now with Nintendo launching a new console as well this is going to be a bloodbath. Who is going to take the specs crown this time? Is MS going all in or will Sony keep the leadership? What if Nintendo releases a real beast? Good times ahead. I love this stuff.
Obliterator
Member
Yep exact same. I've had one since launch, enjoyed the hell out of it, and can't wait to trade it in for an upgrade. If I can get nice new hardware every 3 years or so and keep all my games forward compatible, this industry just got a lot more awesome
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
I can't be mad at Sony over this, Cerny couldn't have predicted back when they locked down the PS4's specs in 2011 that things like VR would pop up mid-generation and be backed by both Facebook and Valve.
With VR looking to finally be viable and potentially popular, and also being pushed hard by Valve who is already making in-roads into the console space, it makes sense Sony not wanting to sit on their hands for another 3 years.
With VR looking to finally be viable and potentially popular, and also being pushed hard by Valve who is already making in-roads into the console space, it makes sense Sony not wanting to sit on their hands for another 3 years.
joecanada
Member
So you don't support sony releasing an incremental machine but you will jump to Nintendo who may or may not release a new machine this year, four years after the WiiU released?
Cynn
Member
Very low. Sony isn't going to waste money adding another HDMI port to every single PS4K just to eliminate a box from the setup of people who buy a PSVR. A box most people won't even think about again once it's set up.
Obliterator
Member
I actually think since they are doing 4.5 they can push the PS5 off a little further. We may not see it till 2020
Well to be fair to him, Nintendo is acknowledging that their new console is the next generation, and they are doing this because they're not the market leader and thus people in the industry understand, poor Wii U sales and cost saving measures as the one of many reasons. Over on the other side you got Sony that is releasing a beefed up PS4 and telling fans that it'll play games at better resolutions, but it's still a PS4 though, just beefier. Their the market leaders and so far media and fans are questioning why alienate and split the fans that they already won over?? Maybe it's best to just call it what it is, the PS5 to battle NX and Xbox One Elite in the next gen?? Might as well start the slate blank again, Nintendo has already done that.
brickarts295
Member
Hey if I can trade them in and pay half or less for every new console upgrade, I'm all for it.
family_guy
Member
I disagree about early adoption being slow as long as the new system plays all your old games. That also makes the value of your console for trade-in or sale higher because you're parting with it sooner as opposed to getting rid of it 5-6 years later when not that many people want it anymore.
Oddvintagechap
Member
Im super excited as well. I always hated how the PS1/2/3 slim would be a inferior console than the previous. This insures sony with a profitable premium PS4 (600$? wrapped in aluminum please) and a Cheap PS4 (200$) that will obviously sell more; therefore be the console developers will target. Reach 40 million consoles or 4 million consoles?
Hell even if they focus on non-gaming specs and make the console mulittasking snappy monster.. it would be nice.
Or give the current PS4s OS the option to be more basic and free up most of the resources for PS4K power.
sono
Member
I agree.
PS4 sales may now decline.
Sony appears to be betting the farm on VR and higher res to do this.
I hope they are right.
I am a worried about the lack of original AAA games on PS4, I think they would be better focused there.
Nightengale
Member
Very low.
Because that would demand Sony sell 2 SKUs of PSVR (with/without breakout box) adding to retail complexity.
sono
Member
Then again. I am really tired of remakes, remasters and relaunches and so are others.
Same games with higher gloss will make Sony a fortune ?
Where is the historical evidence of that ?
Mr_Antimatter
Member
And yet people keep buying them. Turns out, what one person might not like another thinks is pretty cool.
biglittleps
Member
I think if they market this PS4k as a device targeted for enhanced VR (for core gamers) with premium price by making no significant changes to regular PS4 games other than some exceptions in few games to render at high graphics setting then it will be fine.
Lets say PS4K is not coming in 2016, but rather fall 2017 (allowing better price/performance than launching this year) and it offers developers a four fold increase in GPU performance, along with GDDR5-X or HBM1. $399.99
With a PS4K console you could choose to play The Last Guardian, FF7 Remake and Shenmue III in either 1080p @ 60fps *or* native 4K 2160p @ 30fps. Would be an amazing incentive to get a PS4K, on top of 4K media / Blu-ray.
On old PS4 these games are what you'd expect: 1080p @ 30fps.
So then Sony can take its sweet time with PS5 and not release it until 2021, thus separating console hardware by 4 years, 4 years and 4 years.
With a PS4K console you could choose to play The Last Guardian, FF7 Remake and Shenmue III in either 1080p @ 60fps *or* native 4K 2160p @ 30fps. Would be an amazing incentive to get a PS4K, on top of 4K media / Blu-ray.
On old PS4 these games are what you'd expect: 1080p @ 30fps.
So then Sony can take its sweet time with PS5 and not release it until 2021, thus separating console hardware by 4 years, 4 years and 4 years.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Poorly optimized games has existed on platforms even without half step upgrade version. It feels like og PS4 owners is going to push blame to it for future poorly optimized games.
I think there is a big difference between Nintendo releasing a new system after 4 years because the market share on there current console is so small and shrinking, and Sony releasing a slightly better version of there 3 year old console when they control the console market with massive sales. You can't compare the two.
biglittleps
Member
Sony should mandate to developers that there should be no FPS advantages between them other than graphics quality (not significant).
draughn101
Member
I'm really really hoping MS follows suit. With Oculus support as well.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
Microsoft already came out showing interest in doing this in the future. You can count on it if PS4K is real, which it most likely is.
Wow all the topics and fear mongering seem so long ago now.
Gaf will implode if both consoles are announced during E3 and the Xbox has the better specs.
CmdrShepard
Member
Very disappointed by the move personally as a person who has 2 ps4's and 2 xb1 at home (one for me and another for my wife). We don't use the PS4 much except for destiny last year, other then that we could have easily have gotten by with 1 PS4.
Won't effect us personally as we are not interested in the PSVR at the price point it is at in australia unless non-PSVR exclusive games start coming up just for the 4.5. If that happens we will be staying with any console manufacturer that does not do this (MS or Nintendo)
Won't effect us personally as we are not interested in the PSVR at the price point it is at in australia unless non-PSVR exclusive games start coming up just for the 4.5. If that happens we will be staying with any console manufacturer that does not do this (MS or Nintendo)
Why do you have 2 of each? Side question: do you know what a Roku is?
StrongBlackVine
Banned
This would not be fair to people would bought newer hardware. Why do you care if someone else is playing a better version of a game?
CmdrShepard
Member
Also how would a roku help? Isnt that a streaming TV/App box? We use these to play together - in case you haven't noticed that day of couch co-op is (mostly) gone and if me and my wife/children want to play together they need their own console and own copy of the game :/
texhnolyze
Banned
Very true.
It doesn't work like that.
Different games, different engines, different optimizations, etc.