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[CrunchinJelly]

Guys I have a problem with my 3G. The battery icon does not decrease, so I am left unaware as to how much battery charge I have left. Anyone experience this?

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lol

I used to have this all the time. Just restart the phone.

 

[Keylime]

So now that most of you have your very own iPhone 4s, have you experienced the bottom left corner issues everyone on the news is ranting about?

Nadda.

...and I keep trying and will keep trying. Still convinced this is a production issue versus a design issue until I can make it happen on my phone.

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Or maybe the production issue is in my unit...like some kind of super mutant?!

 

[VariantX04]

Nadda.

...and I keep trying and will keep trying. Still convinced this is a production issue versus a design issue until I can make it happen on my phone.

Spoiler

Or maybe the production issue is in my unit...like some kind of super mutant?!

Your unit is so defective it actually works! Brilliant.

 

[borghe]

Played with my wife's new 4 for a bit. Very nice. Faster than my 3GS. Camera us greatly improved and the screen is gorgeous. With all of that being said I actually don't regret waiting for the white one. While I admit its noticeably better than my 3GS its definitely not enough to instantly make my 3gs a bunch of shit (like I would think the 3g's might feel like). It also feels good about giving my 3GS to my daughter when I upgrade as I know she'll still be getting an awesome phone.

FWIW my wife's phone has no antenna issue and no yellow splotches. Neither do the two other phones we picked up yesterday.

 

[CrankyJay]

n00b question. How do I power down the iphone4? Just hold down the home button? The lock button?

 

[Husker86]

n00b question. How do I power down the iphone4? Just hold down the home button? The lock button?

If you have one and had to ask this question I will slap you :lol

Hold the lock button (with screen on), slide the slider.

 

[CrankyJay]

If you have one and had to ask this question I will slap you :lol

Hold the lock button (with screen on), slide the slider.

I went from a non-smartphone to this. Not from iphone to iphone4. :lol

 

[Keylime]

The battery life on this iPhone is realllllyyyy good. Easily comparable to the iPad.

I wouldn't go that far just yet.

With a static brightness and wifi browsing, some video streaming and some light gaming I'm getting about 50 mins for every 10%.

On my iPad I can watch back to back HD programming for 4 hours and only go down 20-30%. I'm still blown away by how much life my iPad gets.

I brought it on line with me yesterday and let others play with it and people were getting mad at me for making them want to get one

 

[Minsc]

Not surprising to see stuff like this popping up:

5 Big Blemishes for the Apple iPhone 4

...

No. 5: A Skimpy Camera

As smartphone challengers like HTC, Motorola (MOT - News) and Nokia (NOK - News) embrace the megapixel race with 8-megapixel and 12-megapixel cameras, Apple's new iPhone keeps it cheap with a 5-megapixel model.

This will be a bigger point of contention this week when Verizon (VZ - News) and Motorola unveil the Droid X Wednesday, the newest Google (GOOG - News) Android phone, which features an 8-megapixel camera. Android phone giant HTC has also been generous with 8-megapixel cameras in its Droid Incredible and Sprint's (S - News) EVO.

Meanwhile, Apple, always the laggard in cameras, won't enter the 8-megapixel class until next year when it debuts a sweet Sony (SNE - News) camera in its 2011 iPhone. But by then, who knows where the rest of the pack will be?
...

Ah, the good ol' megapixel race. Makes idiots stand out like a pink elephant.

Too bad for him, more MP often means worse quality across similarly priced equipment.

He's either looking for attention, or Apple seriously pissed him off! "Cheap 5MP model" :lol

 

[CrankyJay]

I wouldn't go that far just yet.

With a static brightness and wifi browsing, some video streaming and some light gaming I'm getting about 50 mins for every 10%.

On my iPad I can watch back to back HD programming for 4 hours and only go down 20-30%. I'm still blown away by how much life my iPad gets.

I brought it on line with me yesterday and let others play with it and people were getting mad at me for making them want to get one

Tons of people had their iPads yesterday. One kid had his iPad 3G...and his macbook pro with a Sprint data card...with his old iPhone.

Kid must make some bank.

Was confused though. At one point he made a phonecall on his iPad 3G. Didn't know you can make phone calls on that.

 

[Minsc]

I wouldn't go that far just yet.

With a static brightness and wifi browsing, some video streaming and some light gaming I'm getting about 50 mins for every 10%.

On my iPad I can watch back to back HD programming for 4 hours and only go down 20-30%. I'm still blown away by how much life my iPad gets.

I brought it on line with me yesterday and let others play with it and people were getting mad at me for making them want to get one

Brightness is definitely the first and largest culprit for battery life. I played 15 minutes of a game and another 15 minutes of usage and was around 98%, though the normal brightness setting is a small bit on the dim side for me, I'll see how I like it. Later I had the brightness at over 3/4s, and it was probably draining at around 2-3x the speed.

Left it unplugged overnight (about 8 hours) after charging to full, in the morning it was still at 100% battery! 300 hour standby time indeed!

 

[roosters93]

If you have one and had to ask this question I will slap you :lol

Hold the lock button (with screen on), slide the slider.

It doesn't even have to be on

 

[dark10x]

Anyone having a bit of trouble with the bumper case? I find that it makes the top lock button far too sensitive. Just pushing on the case next to the button results in a push of that button. I can just sort of tap it without pressing down and it activates. Not a huge deal, but kind of annoying.

Played with my wife's new 4 for a bit. Very nice. Faster than my 3GS. Camera us greatly improved and the screen is gorgeous. With all of that being said I actually don't regret waiting for the white one. While I admit its noticeably better than my 3GS its definitely not enough to instantly make my 3gs a bunch of shit (like I would think the 3g's might feel like). It also feels good about giving my 3GS to my daughter when I upgrade as I know she'll still be getting an awesome phone.

FWIW my wife's phone has no antenna issue and no yellow splotches. Neither do the two other phones we picked up yesterday.

Yeah, I LOVE the iPhone4 thus far, but the 3GS is still a damn fine device.

In fact, I'd say the 3GS was really the first GREAT iPhone as a result of its solid performance. The 3G and original iPhone were always a bit sluggish in comparison. 3GS still holds its own and remains one of the better smart phones out there.

I suppose, for me, the screen is really the single biggest difference. It's so damn good and puts every other cell phone screen to shame in a way that I did not expect.

 

[345triangle]

i'll have to wait til i can get home and blow these images up a bit for a true comparison, but on this screen at least it looks like the iphone 4 is pretty close to my lumix compact in low light :/

also really impressed by the battery, i'm on my way and am at 55% after a day of understandably heavier usage than normal. my 3G was usually at 30% or so around this time.

 

[kitchenmotors]

Anyone having a bit of trouble with the bumper case? I find that it makes the top lock button far too sensitive. Just pushing on the case next to the button results in a push of that button. I can just sort of tap it without pressing down and it activates. Not a huge deal, but kind of annoying.

I'd say it's better to have it be a little sensitive than have to jam down on the lock button with another case. I bought 2 other cases yesterday, in addition to the Bumper, and the other cases made it extremely hard to push any of the buttons on the iPhone 4. The Bumper is far better in that respect.

 

[borghe]

yeah, the screen is awesome. I was doing A/B comparisons on web pages and here's what I found:

1. at normal distance there is a "just better" factor. You might not be able to put your finger on it, might not instantly jump out at you, but the 4 screen is unquestionably the better screen in a blind test.
2. at NORMAL DISTANCE you can make out finer detail when you look at it. A great example is a normal 10pt web page. at normal viewing distance the normal type is unreadable on a 3GS, and at closer examination you can see that it is actually rendered unreadable. It is all a blur even right next to your eyes. At normal distance (and with great eyesight) you can still read the 10pt text on the 4. Right next to your eyes you can see that every letter is perfectly rendered on the four.
3. at closer inspection you can start to specifically see some of what you started to notice in point 1. No jaggies on fonts. Readable smaller print. Much deeper colors and blacks. No "screen door" effect at close up, and no hazy effect at normal distance, caused by the lower DPI of the 3GS screen.

I don't doubt that 10 out of 10 people would pick the 4 screen when asked which looks better. And that's all that really need be said. No it won't be mind blowing for many. Yes most won't be able to give you a well reasoned why it looks better. But hold it up next to the Evo, 3GS, Droid, whatever.. and I promise you every single person will agree that the 4 screen is just fucking sharp.

anyway, as soon as apple puts up the white pre-orders I'm on top of the 32GB one. But in the meantime I'm fine with my 3GS, and I know when my daughter gets the 3GS (her first phone, currently on a 2nd gen touch) she is going to go through the roof

 

[JohngPR]

Thought to post these screen grabs of Dark Knight (digital copy version) on my phone:

Also, another video.

 

[borghe]

those grabs should actually be interpolated.

digital copies are usually 853x480 or 853x354. BUT, I am not sure how they are transferred to the iphone 4. If they are transferred the exact same way as the earlier iphones then they are probably rendered at 480xX and then just doubled by the scaler in the 4. If the 4 actually displays the native res then your 4 is still interpolating them, but it should still be much better video quality than the earlier phones...

wonder if there's a way to have the pixel counters check on this.

 

[MickD]

Got out of the store around 11:30pm

Still isn't working.

 

[bionic77]

Even EDGE feels fast on this bad boy...

Also FaceTime is very cool though I don't see myself using it that much.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Not surprising to see stuff like this popping up:



Ah, the good ol' megapixel race. Makes idiots stand out like a pink elephant.

Too bad for him, more MP often means worse quality across similarly priced equipment.

He's either looking for attention, or Apple seriously pissed him off! "Cheap 5MP model" :lol

Whoa! Looking at that link, is Sony really making the camera for next year's iPhone? That's huge, because I've loved SE camera phones. I wonder if Canon will ever enter the fray. PEACE.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Whoa! Looking at that link, is Sony really making the camera for next year's iPhone? That's huge, because I've loved SE camera phones. I wonder if Canon will ever enter the fray. PEACE.

Scott Moritz is a piece of shit who makes up stories, rumors, announcements, and drama all the time. He's one of the worst writers ever. He does not have a scoop on next year's iPhone camera, and he dropped that fake detail in there casually to stir the pot like he always tries to do.

Google's auto-suggest for "scott moritz" first brings up "scott moritz idiot."

 

[numble]

Was confused though. At one point he made a phonecall on his iPad 3G. Didn't know you can make phone calls on that.

Skype or Google Voice?

 

[dark10x]

Here's another video capture directly from my phone...

 

[Blackhead]

Instant Expert: Secrets & Features of iOS 4

New Data Detectors—Create Events, Track Packages

Mail introduces two new data detectors for creating events and tracking packages. Any text that looks like a possible date or time is highlighted and can be tapped on to create a new calendar event. Likewise, well-known tracking number formats are detected automatically and link to the appropriate tracking web page in Safari.

Pretty cool.

 

[Futureman]

Not surprising to see stuff like this popping up:



Ah, the good ol' megapixel race. Makes idiots stand out like a pink elephant.

Too bad for him, more MP often means worse quality across similarly priced equipment.

He's either looking for attention, or Apple seriously pissed him off! "Cheap 5MP model" :lol

There are better cameras on other phones though. Yes, the mega-pixel race is dumb, but that doesn't automatically mean the iPhone's 5MP cam is the best out there.

 

[Minsc]

There are better cameras on other phones though. Yes, the mega-pixel race is dumb, but that doesn't automatically mean the iPhone's 5MP cam is the best out there.

Well, there's nothing inherently "cheap" about a 5MP, like he was saying, and from what I've seen of the Evo, the 8MP images from it are worse quality.

5MP is actually good enough for sharp 8x10 prints, and decent ones slightly larger.

The iPhone is by no means a perfect 5MP image, but there's plenty of phone cameras that are a lot worse (I'd guess well over 80% of other phones).

 

[dark10x]

There are better cameras on other phones though. Yes, the mega-pixel race is dumb, but that doesn't automatically mean the iPhone's 5MP cam is the best out there.

It is pretty good, though. Did you see some of those comparisons with the 8mp EVO camera? The iPhone4 camera absolutely slaughters it.

 

[georgc]

It is pretty good, though. Did you see some of those comparisons with the 8mp EVO camera? The iPhone4 camera absolutely slaughters it.

I would like to see these pics. Im in the air about what to get, the EVO or Iphone.

 

[borghe]

There are better cameras on other phones though. Yes, the mega-pixel race is dumb, but that doesn't automatically mean the iPhone's 5MP cam is the best out there.

actually, I think at this point the 4's phone has been pretty thoroughly proven to be a great camera. Low light capturing is phenomenal, and the LED flash, while not dual nor Xenon, is "good enough" to get a picture in the dark, and really isn't part of the "camera" anyway.

My point is that the only complaint on the actual camera on the 4 always seems to fall back on MP, because there isn't much else to complain about.. And in that respect, the MP complaint is stupid.

I realize that most reviewers are simply doing it for comparison and not complaint (i.e. pointing out there are higher MP camera phones out there, not saying it's a bad camera), but then you get the few reviewers who actually are complaining, all the while no one saying "But you know, if you are going to be regularly printing to 5x7 or smaller prints, the prints may actually look better coming from the 5MP camera" or such. The fact is that most do in fact perpetuate the megapixel myth, even if not criticizing the camera.

and I think the only reason you see this complaint from camera phones is because most actual photography review sites at this point submit to the fact that you shouldn't shoot with the highest megapixel count but should instead shoot with the number of megapixels needed for your desired output.

It's why most print photographers are shooting with 8-10MP despite much higher res pro cameras being available. Shooting at a higher res and then either optically or digitally shrinking the pic will result in some loss of quality.

5MP is actually good enough for sharp 8x10 prints, and decent ones slightly larger.

5MP will definitely put out a "good" 8x10. 5MP basically comes out to around 6x9 or so. I believe a "perfect" 8x10 is around 7MP. However I probably wouldn't go much larger than 8x10 on a 5MP unless you really don't care about sharpness.

but yes, from a qualitative point of view and discarding resolution, the actual quality of the 4's camera seems to be way up there. hopefully by next year we get at least a 1-3x optical zoom. I'd take that over more MP any day.

 

[CrankyJay]

Skype or Google Voice?

Maybe, but it had the normal call buttons that the iPhone does in the center.

 

[dark10x]

I would like to see these pics. Im in the air about what to get, the EVO or Iphone.

I'm trying to find them. Can't remember where I saw them. Give me a bit.

 

[The_Inquisitor]

actually, I think at this point the 4's phone has been pretty thoroughly proven to be a great camera. Low light capturing is phenomenal, and the LED flash, while not dual nor Xenon, is "good enough" to get a picture in the dark, and really isn't part of the "camera" anyway.

My point is that the only complaint on the actual camera on the 4 always seems to fall back on MP, because there isn't much else to complain about.. And in that respect, the MP complaint is stupid.

I realize that most reviewers are simply doing it for comparison and not complaint (i.e. pointing out there are higher MP camera phones out there, not saying it's a bad camera), but then you get the few reviewers who actually are complaining, all the while no one saying "But you know, if you are going to be regularly printing to 5x7 or smaller prints, the prints may actually look better coming from the 5MP camera" or such. The fact is that most do in fact perpetuate the megapixel myth, even if not criticizing the camera.

and I think the only reason you see this complaint from camera phones is because most actual photography review sites at this point submit to the fact that you shouldn't shoot with the highest megapixel count but should instead shoot with the number of megapixels needed for your desired output.

It's why most print photographers are shooting with 8-10MP despite much higher res pro cameras being available. Shooting at a higher res and then either optically or digitally shrinking the pic will result in some loss of quality.

Exactly. I am perfect fine with my 10.1 mp Rebel XS. I laughed so hard at some of my fbook friends posting how inferior the 4G camera was cause it was only 5 mp.

 

[Odious Tea]

I'm trying to find them. Can't remember where I saw them. Give me a bit.

They were in this thread. i4 didn't demolish it, but it certainly did win by a margin.

 

[Minsc]

I would like to see these pics. Im in the air about what to get, the EVO or Iphone.

100% crops:

Evo (both sides)

iPhone 4 (both sides)

I posted this earlier in the thread.

 

[CrankyJay]

Interesting...the EVO pics look digitized and the iPhone looks like a painting. I'm wondering if there are are some after effects stuff going on to smooth out the images.

 

[Blackhead]

i4

when did this start?

 

[Gary Whitta]

It is pretty good, though. Did you see some of those comparisons with the 8mp EVO camera? The iPhone4 camera absolutely slaughters it.

Link?

Edit: nm lol

 

[dark10x]

Those were the shots. The EVO captures look absolutely atrocious to me. :\

sluggish? It's faster than ios4 dude..

Missed this one earlier (while searching).

When someone finds me a single Android phone that can actually scroll images, texts, maps, and other interface features at a solid 60 fps like the iPhone 4 (and 3GS, really), then I might believe it.

I don't care how fast the specs in the best Android phone are, the OS is a limitation. The actual feeling of moving around through the phone is choppy as hell compared to iOS. This is straight up fact, at this point. I'm not talking about that old 30 fps limit on the Evo either. An overclocked NexusOne should be able to handle it, but the framerate of everything is still very low.

 

[Minsc]

Interesting...the EVO pics look digitized and the iPhone looks like a painting. I'm wondering if there are are some after effects stuff going on to smooth out the images.

Both sets of images were from people who posted them as the raw files, no after effects.

When you try to squeeze too many MP out of a small lens, you get poor quality at 100% zoom. At ~25% zoom (shrunk to fit on the camera's screen), they both look great.

Edit: To expand on this, a 4,000MP smartphone would be a piece of shit, and probably take like 10 minutes to save the 1GB photo it produces which looks like utter trash.

 

[CrankyJay]

Dude in front of me in line was wearing this T-Shirt. Apple employees liked it and were taking pictures of it.

http://store.fastmac.com/product_info.php?products_id=470

 

[CrankyJay]

Both sets of images were from people who posted them as the raw files, no after effects.

When you try to squeeze too many MP out of a small lens, you get poor quality at 100% zoom. At ~25% zoom (shrunk to fit on the camera's screen), they both look great.

I meant I wonder if Apple applies some smoothing to the images.

 

[Meier]

did it take a long time for anyone else's AT&T service to kick in? I bought my Iphone and had it activated at about 3:00pm and still am getting "NO SERVICE". The guy said it could take up to 24 hours but damn.

Mine actually worked instantly in the store.

Had to wait 4 hours in line even though I got there at 6:00.. it was worth the wait.

 

[borghe]

while those are 100% crops, to be fair the Evo pic looks horribly compressed (even though the file size says it's about the same). I certainly appreciate the attempt at fairness by being 100%, but unless they were 100% and uncompressed I don't think it can be entirely fair.

 

[Gary Whitta]

EVO camera can't be that bad can it? That looks like a VGA cam.

Still really impressed by the iPhone 4 camera. Pics are a huge step up from the 3GS especially in low light.

 

[Minsc]

while those are 100% crops, to be fair the Evo pic looks horribly compressed (even though the file size says it's about the same). I certainly appreciate the attempt at fairness by being 100%, but unless they were 100% and uncompressed I don't think it can be entirely fair.

I used the original "uncompressed / raw" jpg photo from this review.

EVO camera can't be that bad can it? That looks like a VGA cam.

Still really impressed by the iPhone 4 camera. Pics are a huge step up from the 3GS especially in low light.

When you have too many MP for the lens to handle, 100% crops look like shit. Even the iPhone 4's 100% leaves a lot to be desired compared to a flawless 5MP's 100% crop.

 

[D4Danger]

when you're doing a comparison it helps if you take a picture of the same thing.

 

[Minsc]

when you're doing a comparison it helps if you take a picture of the same thing.

Helps, but not necessarily. Look at the Evo shots, see what you think, and look at the iPhone ones. Clearly they're outdoor shots, so the playing field is level.

I'm guessing if I found night-time shots the Evo would be even more embarrassed (especially so if it doesn't have a flash and is essentially a solid black photo, i'm not sure about the evo's flash).

 

[georgc]

when you're doing a comparison it helps if you take a picture of the same thing.

not really, no


UGHH i'm so confused what phone to get. This is killing me.

 

[mrkgoo]

Guys I have a problem with my 3G. The battery icon does not decrease, so I am left unaware as to how much battery charge I have left. Anyone experience this?

Spoiler

lol

Yeah, I just woke this morning with my iPhone 3G having been plugged into my iPad charger over night. It said full when I plugged it in. But my icon was in the red on the lock screen, or when I unplugged. Scared me. I restarted, and it was back at 100%. I wonder if it's a bug in ios4 as it has never happened to me before.

Also, I plugged my iPad into my computer, which normally charges it, but I closed my computer - normally the port still charges, but it then said my iPad was no longer being charged. I figured it goes to a low power mode or something. But in the morning, it was fully charged. Hope it didn't mess with my battery like saying it charged when it didn't.

Lastly, Marty chinn, i'd like to get your view on the resolution of the iPhone 4 as someone who felt they didn't need or will appreciate the higher resolution (colouring aside).