Mechanized
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Might wait for reviews and gaf impressions before picking up this one...
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WWE 2K15 First Footage and Gameplay changes
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BoboBrazil
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It's Yukes. If you liked the previous ones you will probably like this one. IGN will give it a 9 and say how its the best one yet, since they have the marketing deal with them and exclusive preview.
s_mirage
Member
Nah, doubt it. It's likely WWE that demands these limitations. Women bleeding, crossgender matches, etc, have all gone since WWE went PG.
People thought that last year. It's not like 2k eagerly sought out the WWE license. I doubt it'll ever get any better.
But don't worry, Yukes will continue to namedrop King of Colosseum 2 because that's a good game and if we say it enough, maybe our game will be good.
QueenOfThorns
Member
It doesn't make sense at all though. How are crossgender matches or women bleeding more M rated than dudes bleeding? If they wanted to be purely PG they'd take dudes bleeding out too. And aren't there plenty of T rated fighting games like this one where anyone can fight anyone?
Like I get where they're coming from but I still think it's stupid.
Kabuki Waq
Member
I really hope this bombs so that 2k comes back with something better. But the masses will still eat this up.
The game looks so shitty.
The game looks so shitty.
BoboBrazil
Member
WWE are forcing to to make a yearly release. When they purchased the franchise last year it was too late to change that game or really this years if you consider the average game takes two years to make. There were some rumors that 2k is making a brand new engine from the ground up without Yikes and Yikes will be let go after this one. Let's hold out hope it is true.
I was really hoping EA would get this license.
That's because it's the only wrestling game. If you want to play a new wrestling game, you have no choice but these games. Most people have the same issues with the game that everyone in here has, but deal with them because they want something current. "The masses will still eat this up" is pretty misleading when the masses generally think the games are wonky and need a lot of fixing, but play them anyway instead of 5-10 year old Japanese wrestling games.
BoboBrazil
Member
What's worse is people have actually been stuck with yukes so long, that some actually think the games are good now and happy with them.
Buckethead
Banned
Where is the footage on this POS?
Also that WCW roster sucks donger.
Also that WCW roster sucks donger.
That1BlackGuy
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if this game has lower staying power than 2K14, that game fell off the radar quick as hell but since this a new generation title, it will likely have longer legs going into 2K16.
I think the difference is there are people at WWE and Yuke's lobbying for blood to be in the game. Is it still on by default? I seem to remember it being on by default in WWE '13 and then not in 2k14.
Dick Justice
Banned
It's been off by default for a few games.
Your anger is misdirected. The WWE dictates to 2K what the developer is allowed to put in the game. That is part of the licensing agreement. It's how all entities control their product. A few years ago in Madden, EA had added, and promoted, the ability to knock off a players helmet if you hit him hard enough. The NFL frowned down upon it (due to all the concussion lawsuits) and made EA remove it from later iterations. The same is true for NBA 2K. When LeBron left Cleveland for Miami, 2K wanted to make it so that whenever LBJ played in Cleveland, the fans would boo him mercilessly every time he touched the ball, which was based on real life. The NBA forbid 2K from putting it in the game.
WWE is notorious for controlling their product image. Honestly, when was the last time a female wrestler purposely bladed in a WWE sanctioned match? The guys still bleed though it's exceedingly rare, but the women, er, excuse me...the Divas? Nah. Women not bleeding is actually very consistent with how WWE portrays them. Actually, considering how little TV time they get, you should be happy they're in the game at all.
What I desire is the ability to put a title (real or created) on the line in a tournament or a 30-man Royal Rumble match. We had that option in No Mercy and that was 10+ years ago. Makes it impossible to recreate the classic 1992 rumble when Flair came in at #3 and outlasted everyone to win the title.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
If they remove that Create a Finisher mode, I wouldn't mind.
I don't think there has ever been a match with women blading in WWE. Even during the Attitude Era. There were a couple of matches where a woman was busted open, but I think only in a hardcore match at an errant weapons shot.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
I'll always remember the year they had it with Miller in charge of hype duty and then the game came out and he gave it a surprisingly low score which probably wasn't low enough but from all the hype he was putting behind it people expected more. IGN didn't have the "Superstar Countdown" and all that stuff for awhile and it moved to Gamespot.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Yup that was Lita( I think).
QueenOfThorns
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That's the thing, it's wildly inconsistent. Women have actually been in Royal Rumble matches, yet they're not allowed to be in them in the games. They have not to my knowledge been in a Hell In a Cell match, yet that's allowed. Why? The answer would probably be there's only 4 Diva slots in the game and that's not enough for a Rumble match, but the thing is people create tons of CAWs and it seems silly to not allow women in the game that way. That's what I mean by them just forgetting to flip a switch sometimes that allows things.
I understand the blood thing. I think it's stupid and sexist to say that women can't bleed or compete in intergender matches, especially in a video game...but that's the WWE for you. I don't think my anger is misdirected. I'm angry at Yukes for making terrible video games and I'm mad at WWE for allowing them to be this bad and imposing bullshit rules like that.
Hope they announce a release date for the PC version soon so modders can make all this go away.
It's not sexist to disallow the women characters to bleed. Like I asked earlier, when was the last time a female wrestler bleed in a sanctioned WWE match? As for mixed-tag matches, I can see why WWE eliminated them. In today's hyper-sensitive world, a male wrestler hitting a female would bring them unwanted controversy.
As for the Rumble, only three women have entered - Chyna (1999, 2000), Beth Phoenix (2010) and (2012) Kharma, so it's not a regular occurrence. As for HIAC, it's a match type so WWE probably doesn't mind whereas showing a "Diva" covered in blood is more about presentation.
I can definitely see why they don't have women bleeding on TV or their games. They get enough shit over their treatment of women as it is. Having them busted open and bleeding just wouldn't fly.
The game will actually disqualify a male wrestler for attacking a female wrestler or manager. You can get Triple H to Pedigree Stephanie McMahon at WM18 in 2k14's WrestleMania mode and win by disqualification. I don't know what happens in a no-DQ match but it's probably ruled a no contest or something. I was going to say that this was company policy, but Kharma entered the 2012 Royal Rumble and was dropkicked out by Dolph Ziggler (right?) and their policy would have been identical back then, so it essentially has to be a matter of not wanting people to be able to make their product look bad.
Doubt that's it considering WWE games have never been rated E10+ which is the PG of video games. It's a T rating, having women bleed won't make it M as it never did.
Not exactly. Ziggler grabbed Kharma's leg and tossed her harmlessly over the top.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x118609_kharma-royal-rumble-2012_shortfilms?start=145
Maybe it is company policy then.
QueenOfThorns
Member
Yes, but it's actually happened so it sets more of a precedent for women being in rumble matches than hell in a cell, which has never happened. I mean..it's a game mode. Why limit it? I'm not arguing that it's happened on TV so it should happen, I'm just saying that it's silly for them to limit game modes based on gender.
But..it's a fighting game. It's wrestling. Crossgender matches used to be in the game and I don't recall anyone complaining. WWE itself did that. But I think you're reading all my posts as being just about the blood when that was like one or two sentences. I think the limiting game modes part is more important than that, I'm just saying if they allow dudes to bleed and it's PG why not women?
As a wrestling fan I would say "well thank god they're letting them wrestle now!" They get shit because the main roster matches are limited to 3 minutes and the storylines are pathetic. Like honestly who the hell is going to notice these changes in a WWE video game but wrestling fans? Just include this kinda stuff in the options menu like they do dudes bleeding if it's gonna get little jimmy's dad uncomfortable that women wrestle in a wrestling game.
s_mirage
Member
It's not about the actual rating, it's about how WWE wants their product to be viewed. They're a lot more cautious about male on female violence than the were in the Attitude era, and, as was stated earlier, female wrestlers never bladed AFAIK even back in the attitude era.
The current content is a reflection of the TV product: first bra and panties matches went, then intergender matches went, then bleeding went. Except for the blood, which didn't really feature on TV anyway, the match types went as they were no longer part of the real show.
QueenOfThorns
Member
That reminds me of just how god damn stupid bra and panties matches were. In a profession where most people are wearing just their underwear anyway, you have a match where you wear more clothing to start with..and have to strip your opponent to their underwear, which they would have come out in anyway if it was a normal match.
It's not about game modes; it's about presentation. WWE doesn't even call their female athletes "women wrestlers" anymore. They refer to them as "Divas" who are fighting over the "Divas Championship" while also making drama on "Total Divas". They don't want their divas covered in blood in real life or a video game.
Considering how wildly incorrect the media always presents video games (everything from GTA to Mass Effect), imagine a contrived morning news segment where the "reporter" tells the uninformed masses that in the latest WWE game, a game that is marketed towards children, a male wrestler can hit, and subsequently bloody, a female wrestler? Imagine the outcry from that and then you'll understand why WWE removed mixed-tag matches from their programming and their games. No one is going to complain about four divas fighting in a HIAC match.
Of course they were stupid, but they were a ratings ploy and they worked.
QueenOfThorns
Member
Ok, let's remove blood from it. That seems to be what you've fixated on from my comments, so let's just remove it from both men and women which would better match the current WWE product anyway. How is it different from say, Street Fighter then? A hell in a cell match is a lot worse than an intergender match. Someone being thrown twenty feet off a steel cage onto concrete is worse than a punch. And you're acting like the mainstream media is even going to notice what a pro wrestling game does. WWE would kill for that kind of attention. Like, did anyone even give a shit when intergender matches were in the game?
I keep talking about blood because you continue complaining about it.
Watching Ryu give Chun-Li a Shoryuken doesn't have the same societal impact, especially in this post-Ray Rice NFL world, as say watching a digital version of Seth Rollins delivering a Curb Stomp to Paige. One could argue that "Seth" and "Paige" are no more real than any fighting game character and to a degree, they'd be right, but that's missing the bigger picture.
In this post-Ray Rice NFL world, the WWE would not kill for the kind of attention that would come from a story about how their video game product allows men to beat up women. No, you have that completely wrong.
It's not about the game's rating -- it's about WWE wanting it to properly reflect its corporate image.
QueenOfThorns
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I mentioned it like twice in a "why do they even have it for the dudes if they don't allow it for women either?" way. I'm more of the opinion that they should just remove the blood all together than just saying only dudes can bleed as a rule.I keep talking about blood because you continue complaining about it.
Watching Ryu give Chun-Li a Shoryuken doesn't have the same societal impact, especially in this post-Ray Rice NFL world, as say watching a digital version of Seth Rollins delivering a Curb Stomp to Paige. One could argue that "Seth" and "Paige" are no more real than any fighting game character and to a degree, they'd be right, but that's missing the bigger picture.
In this post-Ray Rice NFL world, the WWE would not kill for the kind of attention that would come from a story about how their video game product allows men to beat up women. No, you have that completely wrong.
And comparing it to football is ridiculous because 1: Wrestling is fake. 2: wrestling is fake. 4: it is a combat sport, that is by the way 5: fake.
Like, you seem to think there would be a huge media scandal if they reintroduced cross-gender matches into the game and I'm just not seeing it. No one would give a shit. And please, Paige would kick Seth Rollin's ass.
Okay, I thought I was having a serious discussion about WWE corporate and the way it wants to present itself, but this last post of yours makes it clear that you're not to be taken seriously.
Good night.
QueenOfThorns
Member
I thought...from the tone of my posts that it was pretty clear from the start I was just complaining about the limited game modes for women and how shitty that is and that I hope it's fixed by mods. I know exactly why WWE does what it does, I've heard the arguments that it would be like promoting violence against women, which is the strangest thing to me because..it's wrestling.
Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well or giving enough examples of just how strange the game can be about it. I'll give another example. In the custom story editor, there are cutscenes that women just straight up can't be in unless you replace the referee. Because the referee already being knocked out is considered cross-gender violence to these games.
What I want, ideally, is cross-gender matches, but if that's not going to happen I would at least like all the match types and custom story options available.
I don't even remember when there were intergender matches in the Smackdown series. How long ago was that?
Then why have blood, chair shots to the head, inferno matches, the ability to fall off the Hell in a Cell, piledrivers, etc. If it's about image then they should be making the game as fun as possible and not have over the top violence like a barbed wire 2x4.
BoboBrazil
Member
Stop the outdated notion that women can't compete with men in the ring. Give us intergender matches. #wrasslingate
QueenOfThorns
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It's been a while since I've played any of them but I want to say at least up until some of the last ones that released on PS2. Like 07/08 at least.
Less than a month from release, and they've talked about the Season Pass and DLC more than the gameplay modes. The only thing they've shown is 3 full entrances and some spliced up, heavily edited stuff in the trailer.
No finishers, no 'lengthy match' like they did the last two years. All very, very curious.
No finishers, no 'lengthy match' like they did the last two years. All very, very curious.
A buddy of mine came over and he popped in that FPR, he fought Macho Man for the WCW Heavyweight Title, he was Booker T
He had a back and fourth 28min match, that was actually exciting to watch, the momentum switched many times, and the risque ariel moves of Macho Man backfired, as Booker T managed a offense that he kept up.
Close finishes would dominate the latter parts of the match, as 2,99 counts were happening, both men were tired and could barely move, and it was at half speed at best, but in the end the WCW reigning champion of my save file, Macho Man won the match. Dave Meltzer rated it 4 and a half stars.
And then he said "so..there is that WWE game coming out?" and i cried
He had a back and fourth 28min match, that was actually exciting to watch, the momentum switched many times, and the risque ariel moves of Macho Man backfired, as Booker T managed a offense that he kept up.
Close finishes would dominate the latter parts of the match, as 2,99 counts were happening, both men were tired and could barely move, and it was at half speed at best, but in the end the WCW reigning champion of my save file, Macho Man won the match. Dave Meltzer rated it 4 and a half stars.
And then he said "so..there is that WWE game coming out?" and i cried
The Elite
BOSS
A lot of people who are regulars of NBA 2k say that this is par for the course. Apparently 2k's marketing only ramps up in the last month before release. That means we should be seeing something substantial very soon.
At least I hope.
Physically? One on one? The WWE doesn't have many women who could make it believable. There is also the whole thing about avoiding violence against women on TV.
There were so many shit custom finishers from people online. Stuff like 10 kicks in a row followed by a Backcracker. VGCW also discovered what was nicknamed the Glitch Bomb which gave the opponent 100% damage to every body part.
Dick Justice
Banned
I hate how they relegated a bunch of old moves to create a finisher. If you wanted to use The Rock's old (good) Rock Bottom, you needed to make it in CAF, but not without putting a taunt or strike beforehand. There was also Austin's Stunner animation where they don't sell like The Rock, and he taunts the opponent after.
Create-a-finisher was always shit. At least the "front grapple" mode. I don't know why they insisted on having it in there. Maybe because they at one point actually made their own finishers in there? I know JBL at one point used to have a powerbomb finisher made out of segments you can still pick in create-a-finisher.
samuraidino
Member
LIterally the only one on the current roster who I could see being even half way believable would be Natalya. She's a legit great wrestler,and not just a good womens wrestler.
QueenOfThorns
Member
That's why the game bans you from having The Big Show fight Rey Mysterio.
Whoa.
Where did this weird "Natalya is the only woman in the WWE who can actually wrestle" meme come from? Are you buying their she was trained in the hart dungeon so she's obviously superior stuff? Natalya's good, but she's certainly not the only good wrestler they have. They exist on the main roster, though you'd never know it with all women's matches on main roster shows being five minutes or under, but they have plenty more in NXT where they actually get time to wrestle and actual angles and stuff. It's pretty rad. Check it out.