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Xbox Dev Demonstrates NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti & Xbox Series X Mesh Shaders Performance With DirectX 12 Ultimate API

Neo_game

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I love this the PS5 fans saying it's not that bad. Well it is, Sony "ducked" you fans.
PS5 is a 5700xt at it's base.
Yes the CUs are RDNA2. The 256bit bus is apart of that old 5700xt. Like ogxb1 it looses in every point in every way.
You can have the fastest ssd and the GPU still has a 256bits wide bus.

Mark Carey is the same man that told you that PS4 pro was 8.2Tf Very misleading. And that tech talk was a bad Info commercial. Don't do it, you can't lose in every almost Category
and say it's better or close or even ,
It's not.......... the next thing you guys will be saying is that there are two
GPUS.....
Xbox has 17% advantage over PS5. Just like PS4 had 40% over it last gen. Note that this on paper and real world case is going to far less just like last gen. Some guys have already mentioned it. I think BW is the key factor. Those 10gig of 560gb/sec in Xbox is their biggest advantage I think.
 

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Xbox has 17% advantage over PS5. Just like PS4 had 40% over it last gen. Note that this on paper and real world case is going to far less just like last gen. Some guys have already mentioned it. I think BW is the key factor. Those 10gig of 560gb/sec in Xbox is their biggest advantage I think.
to be fair, PS5 clocks are variable, we don't know yet how far it can down and how often it will, but we know that it is NOT locked, since its variable, so the difference will be greater than 17%.
 
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He says he thinks it would be a couple percentage in drop. It’s an entirely different story once developers have actual games running on the hardware.

Of course last gen this same guy also said he thinks native 4K gaming would require 8 teraflops, so he can clearly either be extremely wrong at times like anyone else, or he can really fudge numbers for PR purposes.

Either way expect the performance to drop more than 2%.
 
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Once you realize that everyone has biases to some degree and you can never be sure how much they are actually trying to be objective or rational, you can then start to use your intelligence and rationality to see past the bias and look at the facts if there are any and compare them, challenge them or learn from them. Simply hand waving away anyone's opinion just because you think they are "bias" is a good way to try to live in your own comfortable narrative and leave your intelligence unchallenged. Thereby strengthening your own bias... Like trying to make a snowball in a freezer one snowflake at a time... Gotta keep it safe!
and Cerny sure provided lot of data and demos.
 
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Of course last gen this same guy also said he thinks native 4K gaming would require 8 teraflops, so he can clearly either be extremely wrong at times like anyone else, or he can really fudge numbers for PR purposes.
4k with PS4 graphics for sure, next gen graphics ... :pie_thinking:
 

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Ok do you have a better source to go against what Cerny said?

That is the point we only have what Cerny said... so using made up numbers in a discussion is what a fanboy should avoid.

If you stay accurate you can be anything but your opinion rely on accurate data.

BTW. I’m not English native but “thinks” is certain... “guess” is not sure?
Cerny is hyping his own design. That is all.
Xbox has 17% advantage over PS5. Just like PS4 had 40% over it last gen. Note that this on paper and real world case is going to far less just like last gen. Some guys have already mentioned it. I think BW is the key factor. Those 10gig of 560gb/sec in Xbox is their biggest advantage I think.
That's not accounting for PS5s variable clocks. The difference can be up to 25% depending on game
 

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He does state 'a couple' percent performance drop'. Its in the GPU section of the video.
Exactly he avoided saying 2% and a chart of the exact down clocking. Couple could mean a lot of things to a lot of people generic term. He never committed to hard number or charts. Like a certain company in 2013. If it was 2% then lock it 2% lower and be done with it but it must vary more not to lock it. It's common sense. Like it the garbage it displays at 1080p in 2013. Worse new feature since esram and dd3.
 

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Exactly he avoided saying 2% and a chart of the exact down clocking. Couple could mean a lot of things to a lot of people generic term. He never committed to hard number or charts. Like a certain company in 2013. If it was 2% then lock it 2% lower and be done with it but it must vary more not to lock it. It's common sense. Like it the garbage it displays at 1080p in 2013. Worse new feature since esram and dd3.
Exactly, if it only dropped 2% you wouldn't make it variable. If anything that statement about dropping 2% in clocks for 10% power drop is more of an indictment of the design and shows how it was a last minute overclock. Common sense is something the PlayStation fans have lacked from the beginning of the leaks, the GitHub leak was so obviously the PS5 yet so many didn't want to believe it.
 

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If directx12ULTIMATEAPI makes game development easier by simultaneously building games for both PC and XsX, does tnat mean 'play anywhere' can take effect. So If I were to buy Forza 8 or Forza Horizon 5 for XsX I can also play it on PC? The thing is, PC's do not have 4k Ultra-Blu Ray Disk drives. They still use shitty DVD players, not even Blu-ray drives
 

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If directx12ULTIMATEAPI makes game development easier by simultaneously building games for both PC and XsX, does tnat mean 'play anywhere' can take effect. So If I were to buy Forza 8 or Forza Horizon 5 for XsX I can also play it on PC? The thing is, PC's do not have 4k Ultra-Blu Ray Disk drives. They still use shitty DVD players, not even Blu-ray drives
PC's don't even come with disc drives, for many, many years now... Bluray is quite old and antique at this point, unless for watching movies.
 

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PC's don't even come with disc drives, for many, many years now... Bluray is quite old and antique at this point, unless for watching movies.
Some still come with DVD-Drives which is baffeling. Atleast make it Blu-Ray. In the OT-Topic Forum, DVD movie sales still beat Blu-Ray and Ultra-Blu Ray. That is pathetic.
 

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and that's exacty why Sony couldn't show us a single advantage of an SSD - except shorter loading times.
Sony hasn't really shown us anything regarding their SSD except for what it's capable of. Technically we weren't even supposed to see that loading time demo. What does Alex know about open world game development and design that the other multiple excited developers don't know?
 
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Sony hasn't really shown us anything regarding their SSD except for what it's capable of. Technically we weren't even supposed to see that loading time demo. What does Alex know about open world game development and design that the other multiple excited developers don't know?
Maybe those devs were referring to other things like the 3D audio? And what were the devs praising? What were they comparing it to?
 

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Maybe those devs were referring to other things like the 3D audio? And what were the devs praising? What were they comparing it to?
I guess you don't follow recent discussion lately, but I'll give you a hint. It was the most requested feature from developers.
 

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Some still come with DVD-Drives which is baffeling. Atleast make it Blu-Ray. In the OT-Topic Forum, DVD movie sales still beat Blu-Ray and Ultra-Blu Ray. That is pathetic.
I have not seen a desktop computer with a physical drive in almost 10 years or so. Games aren't distributed on disc format on pc side of things. When you buy a game from Steam, Gog, Amazon, or whatever store front you choose, you don't get sent a disc in the mail. You just download your games, and that's it.

If you need a standalone disc drive, no one is stopping you though. That's the beauty of having a choice. 🧠
 
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Ok do you have a better source to go against what Cerny said?

That is the point we only have what Cerny said... so using made up numbers in a discussion is what a fanboy should avoid.

If you stay accurate you can be anything but your opinion rely on accurate data.

BTqW. I’m not English native but “thinks” is certain... “guess” is not sure?
Mark corny is a salesman.... I won't bo as far as you say he's a liar, but that said he will say anything to make a sale.
1.the 8.4TF statement
2. The doby atmost Comment.
How can you not know what you're putting In the hardware you designed?
 

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Cerny is hyping his own design. That is all.

That's not accounting for PS5s variable clocks. The difference can be up to 25% depending on game
4K is 8million. PS5 games will be having some 6millions which is some 30% less pixels. These are diminishing return when you are gaming at such high resolution. That is the easiest way devs are going to scale this little difference between the two.