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[ToadMan]

In the mainstream segment, sure. But here? I don’t know I see nothing of that going by talk. (maybe I have too many on ignore, sorry)

Most people here who are interested in consoles, already have PS5 - we're not behind the "main stream" - ahead of it. There's not an exodus of xbox players to PS5 on Gaf, because they already had PS5s, and probably no xbox to migrate from.

Meanwhile PC is growing, rapidly, and Xbox to PC is such a smooth transition, besides cost. Any enthusiast gamer must’ve thought about it. Baldur’s Gate 3 delayed on Xbox, first on PC. GAF’s favorite Starfield 30fps on Xbox, 100+ fps on PC plus mods. Playstation games on Xbox lol nah, on PC delayed 1-2 years. Higher cost but so worth it imo. Admittedly I’m highly biased though, making a full PC transition in the living room this year, only keeping the Switch.

PC gaming as whole is growing because indies have made potato PCs viable for those games. Is hearts still the most played game on PC? For many years it was.

AAA gaming is a distant concept to the majority of PC owners who just dabble in low performance games.

One look at steam surveys shows - people with PC capable of running PS5 games at PS5 quality are a small minority of people who use Steam.

 

[Havoc2049]

I game on both PC and Xbox and use Game Pass Ultimate. With Game Pass Ultimate I can also play via the Game Pass/Xbox app on my phone and Samsung TV. I also play a lot of online games and Game Pass Ultimate has some perks for games like Halo Infinite, Sea of Thieves and Phantasy Star Online 2. If Microsoft drops consoles, I have no problem going full PC.

 

[Freeman76]

Yeah I have moved to PC, after exclusively playing consoles for over 20 years, and its a move I am pleased I made, games run so much better, they are cheaper, and I have a perfect couch set up where I can comofrtably use a kb or elite on my 65 Oled.

 

[SmurfMustard]

I voted No.
I switched from PC to Xbox since the 360. I still use my PC for genres that are more fun with M&KB. I just enjoy most gaming more in front of the TV on the couch so I don't think that PC will be my main place to game unless something changes drastically.

 

[Fredrik]

The way you were talking it looks like you were making a general assumption based on Gaf polls.

GAF is GAF, I’m just asking if Xbox gamers here have moved over to PC.
Seems like a 50% migration so far. The primary platform poll thread surprised me, the Xbox userbase seemed tiny here going by that. A migration to PC would somewhat explain it. Imo it’s an obvious move to make, sooner or later, there is no real consequence, besides cost and BC everything is better.

 

[Elysium44]

GAF is GAF, I’m just asking if Xbox gamers here have moved over to PC.
Seems like a 50% migration so far. The primary platform poll thread surprised me, the Xbox userbase seemed tiny here going by that. A migration to PC would somewhat explain it. Imo it’s an obvious move to make, sooner or later, there is no real consequence, besides cost and BC everything is better.

The poll is too binary, plenty of 'Xbox gamers' do at least some of their gaming on PC.

I do both but prefer the Xbox, it's much less hassle. I buy a game, download it, play it. On PC you generally have to mess about with settings, sometimes google for solutions to get things running well. Even then, often the PC version is inferior in ways which can't be fully fixed.

 

[Team Andromeda]

GAF is GAF, I’m just asking if Xbox gamers here have moved over to PC.
Seems like a 50% migration so far. The primary platform poll thread surprised me, the Xbox userbase seemed tiny here going by that. A migration to PC would somewhat explain it. Imo it’s an obvious move to make, sooner or later, there is no real consequence, besides cost and BC everything is better.

To me you're trolling and not being truthful and PC aren't brilliant for BC either and have issues.

 

[gaming_again]

Another day on GAF, another thread evangelising PC gaming with 'master race' apostles unable to accept that some people just aren't interested in putting together a coomer rig.

 

[existensmaximum]

Well, yeah. After the fantastic Xbox 360 they gave me no reason whatsoever to keep playing on an Xbox console instead of PC.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

GAF is GAF, I’m just asking if Xbox gamers here have moved over to PC.
Seems like a 50% migration so far. The primary platform poll thread surprised me, the Xbox userbase seemed tiny here going by that. A migration to PC would somewhat explain it. Imo it’s an obvious move to make, sooner or later, there is no real consequence, besides cost and BC everything is better.

The Xbox userbase is tiny everywhere.

Anyway, you didn't specify the thread as Gaf-centric.

But "it’s an obvious move to make" is not the general idea within the Xbox userbase.
Hence why I said Gaf is in no way representative of reality. Because you are making a general assumption after all.

 

[Senua]

. Even then, often the PC version is inferior in ways which can't be fully fixed.

Nah, the PC version is almost never inferior unless the porting is done by complete incompetent's.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Let's have a think

Ryzen 7 3700X desktop processor - £229
AMD RADEON RX 6700 XT - £340
16GM DDR4 - £35
Motherboard £100
Case - £35
Power Supply - £25
Xbox Controller - £45

Total - £809

Xbox Series X - £409

 

[Senua]

Let's have a think

Ryzen 7 3700X desktop processor - £229
AMD RADEON RX 6700 XT - £340

 

[MilkyJoe]

PC equivalent parts, Amazon prices, Susan

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Yes I did. Went from XSX to PS5 for a few months.

Sold the PS5, bought a used rig with decent specs, ripped out the GPU and replaced it with a current model, bought a wheel and a VR headset.

Never going back to consoles.

The possibilities are endless on PC. Hell I can convert UE4/5 games to VR. Im enjoying Robocop in VR with 6DoF and its fucking awesome!!
Consoles don't have that.

Every racing game I want to play supports VR. Automobilista 2, Assetto Corsa Competizione, F1 23, Dirt Rally 2 etc, etc.
On Ps5 its 1 title. GT7.

 

[Elysium44]

Nah, the PC version is almost never inferior unless the porting is done by complete incompetent's.

The PC version of Forza Horizon seems to be based on the Xbox One version, not the SX optimised version - only the latter lets you skip the splash screens on Xbox, which you can't do on PC.

Multiple games I have both versions of, load faster on Xbox Series than PC, even though the PC is using a drive which on paper is faster than the Xbox's, and also has a faster CPU.

Forza Motorsport (2023) runs far worse on my PC than my Series S as well. Mediocre PC ports aren't the exception, they're the rule.

 

[Senua]

PC equivalent parts, Amazon prices, Susan

You can get a 7700x for £260 which is way faster than XSX CPU, you silly goose.

The PC version of Forza Horizon seems to be based on the Xbox One version, not the SX optimised version - only the latter lets you skip the splash screens on Xbox, which you can't do on PC.

Multiple games I have both versions of, load faster on Xbox Series than PC, even though the PC is using a drive which on paper is faster than the Xbox's, and also has a faster CPU.

Yea Horizon 5 has rather slow load times on PC, Motorsport is a lot better in that regard, although that game has its own problems. Overall though FH5 looks a lot better on PC than series X at native 4k 120fps, game runs like a dream in game.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Another day on GAF, another thread evangelising PC gaming with 'master race' apostles unable to accept that some people just aren't interested in putting together a coomer rig.

Another day on GAF, another thread with people thinking "they know it all" and blatantly generalise a whole group of people.

Well done Captain Shortsighted.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

The PC version of Forza Horizon seems to be based on the Xbox One version, not the SX optimised version - only the latter lets you skip the splash screens on Xbox, which you can't do on PC.

Multiple games I have both versions of, load faster on Xbox Series than PC, even though the PC is using a drive which on paper is faster than the Xbox's, and also has a faster CPU.

Forza Motorsport (2023) runs far worse on my PC than my Series S as well. Mediocre PC ports aren't the exception, they're the rule.

PC version is the XSX version, dont know where you got this nonsense.

 

[Garibaldi]

I was never really a <insert brand here> gamer but I did have both consoles in the PS4/Xbox one era, as well as all previous eras. Binned off the Xbox and built a PC to go with the PS5 and Switch, so technically yeah.

 

[Elysium44]

PC version is the XSX version, dont know where you got this nonsense.

The answer is in the very post you quoted. In at least one important respect it is inferior to the SX version.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

Let's have a think

Ryzen 7 3700X desktop processor - £229
AMD RADEON RX 6700 XT - £340
16GM DDR4 - £35
Motherboard £100
Case - £35
Power Supply - £25
Xbox Controller - £45

Total - £809

Xbox Series X - £409

New console down the line: Another 410.
Slight upgrade PC to get some extra oomph: 150-300 mark.
Buying keys outside of ecosystem on pc instead of full price games, did take this into consideration?

The money I forked out on hardware, I saved on games.

Yeah.......

 

[Pantz]

Depends on the game. It's nice to use both.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yep. Fuck that hamstrung shit.

I gave the Series X a chance because it's a fucking great console, but they completed wasted the damn thing for three years with the shitbox Series S and zero exclusives.

So, I'm getting a brand new ROG Scar with a 4080, selling the Series X and never looking back. Buying a second power cable so I can just move the thing between office and couch easily.

...hell, if Sony keep it up with the PC releases and go anywhere near day and date, that white fat bastard will be going too.

 

[DragonNCM]

No.....because I hate upgrading my PC every few years.

 

[MilkyJoe]

You can get a 7700x for £260 which is way faster than XSX CPU, you silly goose.

Who knows?? I've been done with PCs since 2013

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

The answer is in the very post you quoted. In at least one important respect it is inferior to the SX version.

Graphics settings say NO. If it was an XBone version, no FSR or DLSS would have been implemented and thus selectable.
XSX uses FSR frame regeneration, which is also available in the PC version. Which is a DX11 feature.

The Xbone version is probably based on DX9/10.

So no. Unless you can convert your gut feeling to something factual, its no.

 

[Senua]

Who knows?? I've been done with PCs since 2013

 

[MilkyJoe]

To be fair, I've been done with consoles for 2 years too

 

[gaming_again]

Another day on GAF, another thread with people thinking "they know it all" and blatantly generalise a whole group of people.

Well done Captain Shortsighted.

All of your posts in this thread are proving my point!

The master race is fanatical in its defense of straight-backed, wrist-destroying, porn-tabbing-at-every-loading-screen (sorry, you don't have those!) gaming.

 

[Senua]

porn-tabbing-at-every-loading-screen

 

[KungFucius]

I was always PC and all systems. Now I am better PC and no Xbox but play Xbox games on my PCs.

 

[GHG]

Let's have a think

Ryzen 7 3700X desktop processor - £229
AMD RADEON RX 6700 XT - £340
16GM DDR4 - £35
Motherboard £100
Case - £35
Power Supply - £25
Xbox Controller - £45

Total - £809

Xbox Series X - £409

Possibly one of the worst builds you can put together for the money. Congratulations.

Some people deserve substandard experiences I guess.

 

[Elysium44]

Graphics settings say NO. If it was an XBone version, no FSR or DLSS would have been implemented and thus selectable.
XSX uses FSR frame regeneration, which is also available in the PC version. Which is a DX11 feature.

The Xbone version is probably based on DX9/10.

So no. Unless you can convert your gut feeling to something factual, its no.

You don't have to take everything so literally. I mean in the respect of not being able to skip the lengthy splash screens during loading, the PC version is the same as the Xbox One version. That is factual, as anyone who has both versions can confirm.

Also it is a fact that multiple games on Series consoles load quicker than on PC, even though the PC has a faster CPU and nvme drive than the Xbox. Showing yet again that a console is faster than the sum of its parts would say it should be on paper.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Possibly one of the worst builds you can put together for the money. Congratulations.

Some people deserve substandard experiences I guess.

hey google, what are the cheapest equivalent parts to a series X...

 

[Spyxos]

Nah, i use both.

 

[cHaOs667]

Not really — I've always had a PC beside my XBOX, and certain games I've bought for both systems (like Gears of War) until they introduced XBOX Play Anywhere.

And then there's the location — my Series X is in the living room with a nice 65" Screen, while my PC is in my office room with a 34" WUHD Thunderbolt screen. Plus, there is my Xbox One X which shows some age (especially in Stellaris)...

 

[GHG]

hey google, what are the cheapest equivalent parts to a series X...

Why would you build a PC with "equivalent parts" to a Series X in 2024? You can use modern parts that run rings around it for the same money as the build you posted.

The build you posted is 800 quid, here's an equivalently priced modern build and it's over 3x more powerful than the Series X:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dJqNgB

CPU: Intel Core i5-12600KF 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor ($152.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 ZERO DARK 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI PRO B760M-P DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: OLOy MD4U0836180BHKDA 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($62.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac Twin Edge GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card ($539.99 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Nova Mesh SE ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($94.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $1056.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-27 05:10 EST-0500

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And if you insist on doing a build that has similar power/capability to the Series X then this is the result:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3zx7gB

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($132.78 @ GameStop)
Motherboard: ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP Elite 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory
Storage: Leven JPS600 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($58.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 210 Core Radeon RX 7600 8 GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: MagniumGear NEO AIR (2023) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($112.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $654.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-27 05:22 EST-0500

Which is just over £500. And even still that has a much better CPU, a more performant GPU and will overall perform better than the Series X.

 

[scarlet0pimp]

i have both Xbox and PC, prefer to play on the TV but some games have to be on the PC, some games I have on both and have different friends to play with on each.
Also LAN gaming with the xbox is much easier that with the PC, the series s in particular since its very quick to throw in a bag and take to a mates.

 

[spons]

I am a GPU away from having a decent mid-range PC, so for now I voted "no" but this will change in the near future.
Specs are 5600X, 16 GB of RAM, fast storage, and... an RX 580 (lol). I can still play a lot of games on 1080p, but this thing definitely shows its age.
I think some games don't even run at all on the Polaris chip, such as Alan Wake 2, but I haven't tried that (missing features and all).
In the end my gaming setup will be a Nintendo Switch + PC, although Xbox has served me well over the years (20+).

No.....because I hate upgrading my PC every few years.

Upgrading it for what, exactly? I was playing games on a Haswell setup (~2014) for almost a decade. I only just upgraded most of the PC to the aforementioned specs, and everything just works.
There are arguments against PC gaming, but this ain't it.

 

[Elysium44]

Why would you build a PC with "equivalent parts" to a Series X in 2024? You can use modern parts that run rings around it for the same money as the build you posted.

The build you posted is 800 quid, here's an equivalently priced modern build and it's over 3x more powerful than the Series X:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dJqNgB



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And if you insist on doing a build that has similar power/capability to the Series X then this is the result:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3zx7gB



Which is just over £500. And even still that has a much better CPU, a more performant GPU and will overall perform better than the Series X.

Looks like you're forgetting the cost of Windows and an Xbox controller.

Always interesting to see the slew of posts on here complaining about how supposedly 'too expensive' the Xbox is, while handwaving how expensive PCs are, both initially and the requirement to upgrade them every few years to keep up with what the current gen console still manages to do.

 

[GHG]

Looks like you're forgetting the cost of Windows and an Xbox controller.

Always interesting to see the slew of posts on here complaining about how supposedly 'too expensive' the Xbox is, while handwaving how expensive PCs are, both initially and the requirement to upgrade them every few years to keep up with what the current gen console still manages to do.

You can use any controller you have at your disposal on PC and it will work the same as any Xbox controller would thanks to Steam's controller API. There's not a single person here who won't have a spare controller somewhere. Even if you insist on buying a new controller, there are cheaper and better alternatives to the Xbox controller on PC.

Windows can be picked up for next to nothing.

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Buy Windows 10 Product Key for affordable price with our 24/7 Instant Delivery. Buy the lifetime Windows 10 activation at HypestKey.com

hypestkey.com

The above is a certified Microsoft partner site, but you can get the same keys for under $5 if you know where to look.

Some of you are in a perpetual state of denial so want to put up as many artificial (or even outright false in some cases) barriers possible when it comes to PC.

 

[spons]

Looks like you're forgetting the cost of Windows and an Xbox controller.

Always interesting to see the slew of posts on here complaining about how supposedly 'too expensive' the Xbox is, while handwaving how expensive PCs are, both initially and the requirement to upgrade them every few years to keep up with what the current gen console still manages to do.

Upgrading every couple of years is a requirement now? Any current mid-range PC akin to a Series X or PS5 can play games properly for well over these consoles' life-spans.

 

[Elysium44]

You can use any controller you have at your disposal on PC and it will work the same as any Xbox controller would thanks to Steam's controller API. There's not a single person here who won't have a spare controller somewhere. Even if you insist on buying a new controller, there are cheaper and better alternatives to the Xbox controller on PC.

Windows can be picked up for next to nothing.

Windows 10 Product Key - Buy Windows 10 on HypestKey.Com

Buy Windows 10 Product Key for affordable price with our 24/7 Instant Delivery. Buy the lifetime Windows 10 activation at HypestKey.com

hypestkey.com

Some of you are in a perpetual state of denial so want to put up as many artificial (or even outright false in some cases) barriers possible when it comes to PC.

I already have a PC which is far faster than a console so what would I be in denial about. I know full well how much more expensive it is to build a PC, especially if you don't use budget parts which are a false economy.

 

[MonkeyClaw36]

All of your posts in this thread are proving my point!

The master race is fanatical in its defense of straight-backed, wrist-destroying, porn-tabbing-at-every-loading-screen (sorry, you don't have those!) gaming.

Im not. So that just voided your brainfart.

You are the one being hostile to Pc gamers. Where am I hostile towards console owners? Please point me to a post of mine which does so right now.

Yeah, you can't.

Hypocrite.

 

[Elysium44]

Upgrading every couple of years is a requirement now? Any current mid-range PC akin to a Series X or PS5 can play games properly for well over these consoles' life-spans.

Any 'current mid-range PC' at the time these consoles came out (the only fair, like for like comparison), is no longer a great choice, and by the end of the gen will be struggling if it isn't already.

 

[Senua]

both initially and the requirement to upgrade them every few years to keep up with what the current gen console still manages to do.

My i5 3570k which I bought in 2013 lasted me almost a decade dude, I did upgrade my GPU in the meantine but that was a choice to push visuals and framerates well above what PS4/XBO were doing. The beauty of PC is that you have the choice to upgrade in the first place, it doesn't mean you have to.

Any 'current mid-range PC' at the time these consoles came out (the only fair, like for like comparison), is no longer a great choice, and by the end of the gen will be struggling if it isn't already.

The consoles were struggling too, big time. so many sub 1080p and sub 30fps towards the end of last gen. You're seeing the consoles start to struggle now too, hence why many people would like the PS5 pro to release.

 

[Zuzu]

I wouldn't mind getting a new gaming computer to complement my Series X but I don't think it could fully replace it. PC isn't as convenient and easy to use with a TV, it doesn't have quick resume (which I use a lot and is a really nice convenience) and I can't play the same game across multiple accounts which would make multiplayer gaming with my friends not really possible when they visit. Also, I prefer some versions of backwards compatible games on Xbox over the version on PC.

Amongst other things I'd love a new gaming PC for single player games that push graphics. But I may get the PS5 Pro to do that until the new Xbox is released in 2026.

 

[GHG]

I already have a PC which is far faster than a console so what would I be in denial about. I know full well how much more expensive it is to build a PC, especially if you don't use budget parts which are a false economy.

You have a PC but yet you're in this thread making things up and batting hard for Xbox.

Makes sense.

You can literally time your builds at the mid-end of each console generation and not have to upgrade again until the middle of the next console gen, and even still it will likely just be a GPU upgrade. This idea that it "costs more" is a fallacy in the long run, especially if you factor in game prices.

It's like you're not understanding how low the bar actually is on console.

Any 'current mid-range PC' at the time these consoles came out (the only fair, like for like comparison), is no longer a great choice, and by the end of the gen will be struggling if it isn't already.

Consoles struggle from day 1.

 

[Elysium44]

My i5 3570k which I bought in 2013 lasted me almost a decade dude, I did upgrade my GPU in the meantine but that was a choice to push visuals and framerates well above what PS4/XBO were doing. The beauty of PC is that you have the choice to upgrade in the first place, it doesn't mean you have to.

CPUs stagnated during that time, Intel barely moved the needle from 4th gen to 10th gen in terms of IPC. The PS4 CPU is as weak as piss. Although in spite of that, the PS4 even today in 2024 manages to run games WAY better than a PC with any sort of equivalent specs can do (GTX 750 equivalent). You need a much more beefy PC to keep up with it.