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# The-Redaction-Was-Poor-On-Purpose

 

[Heisenberg007]

Maybe i got that wrong. Did that only happen with games Sony had a marketing deal for? In that case that would be ok for me, i thought they did this with random games just to damage Game Pass.

No, it's the former.

Sony prevents games from launching on Game Pass (first 12 months) that they are spending money to market on.

 

[Morrie’s wig shop]

Have a go,

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/mss-response-to-sonys-no-aaa-studio-can-match-cod-statement-confirms-sony-pays-to-blocks-games-from-game-pass.1640030/

Thanks, buuut I can't go through 25 pages, oh well. Just reading that first page you start to see a pattern emerging.
I wanna catch that shit in real time.

It's the whole point of exclusivity to make your product look more attractive then the competition and I think it's fair regardless of what company is doing it. Anyone arguing otherwise should never be taken seriously.

 

[Topher]

Maybe i got that wrong. Did that only happen with games Sony had a marketing deal for? In that case that would be ok for me, i thought they did this with random games just to damage Game Pass.

Yeah....just for marketing deals.

 

[jshackles]

It's sad to see how much money gets tossed around for the sake of market share console wars.

 

[mrmustard]

Yeah....just for marketing deals.

In that case i was wrong. Forget what i said and go on roasting those simpleminded guys

 

[jroc74]

Man, this trial is delivering......

 

[Banjo64]

Like I said before this is standard practice for marketing deals, especially if said marketing deal includes and agreement (or first dibs) for that game to appear on subscription services.

I don't think OP is for your benefit GHG - it's more like a community gift that we can quickly reference to shut down Greenberg's minions.

I salute you Bernoulli

 

[Fabieter]

All the hypocrits for month calling out sony for the same. Big oof.

 

[PropellerEar]

That is incorrect. RE 8 was prevented from going to GP for one year and then 6 months after that Sony had right of first refusal. RE 8 could be on Game Pass right now if Capcom wanted it to be.

Will be first on the best deal in gaming PS+.

 

[93xfan]

Every Xbox fan on here and across the internet saying only Sony did this, when everyone else said otherwise.

Calm down. I'm an Xbox fan and I never made that claim. I'm sure plenty haven't.

 

[damidu]

wow! microsoft being the hypocrites, mildly shocked.

 

[Nubulax]

If you spend a shitload of money on marketing a product so it sells, you don't want it to be on any sub that cannibalizes sales.

Otherwise, your marketing money goes down the gutter.

You have to forgive some people not using the smallest bit of critical thinking skills on what a marketing deal means. Yes let Sony spend a bunch of time and $ Marketing a game, like Hogwarts Legacy for example, only for Xbox to have it on gamepass when its not on PS Plus... what would be the point of the marketing deal if they did that.

 

[mckmas8808]

Temporary exclusive aren't a new thing, why is everyone acting surprised all of sudden.

Ask the Xbox fanatics that question. As Phil that question too.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Calm down. I'm an Xbox fan and I never made that claim. I'm sure plenty haven't.

I was being facetious.

 

[Snake29]

Im waiting with what new narratives xbox fanboys will come up with, since this one was pretty exhausting. Every website, forum or these dumbass youtubes were running away with this constant crying about Sony "actively paying under the table and blocking games coming to xbox".

 

[Unknown?]

Instead they try to play the good guys

Microsoft Accuses Sony of Paying to Block Games from Xbox Game Pass

Sony pays "block fees" to publishers

www.pushsquare.com

Haha what a farce!

 

[93xfan]

I was being facetious.

My mistake

 

[Fabieter]

Guys, even better ...

Microsoft claims Sony pays for “blocking rights” to keep games off Xbox Game Pass

The claims were made in legal documents to a Brazilian regulator.

www.theverge.com

They couldn't be more hypocrit if they tried. Unbelievable!

 

[damidu]

Im waiting with what new narratives xbox fanboys will come up with, since this one was pretty exhausting. Every website, forum or these dumbass youtubes were running away with this constant crying about Sony "actively paying under the table and blocking games coming to xbox".

mostly likely it'll be just "crickets"

 

[cireza]

I must be missing the incredible revelation here. Is this news ?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I must be missing the incredible revelation here. Is this news ?

Keep up the same energy,

https://www.neogaf.com/search/3796270/

 

[graywolf323]

mostly likely it'll be just "crickets"

yep

I must be missing the incredible revelation here. Is this news ?

well you certainly thought this sorta thing to be newsworthy in the past

Sony paying to block stuff from competitors ?

WHAT
A
REVELATION

They have been doing this since 1995.

Sony have been cock blocking games and buying exclusives ever since they entered the market. They are the absolute champions, with old school Nintendo.

MS statement here at least is true.

Sony did not hesitate to put PS exclusive in a trailer for a game that was only timed. FF XVI I think it was.

Typical Sony communication

 

[AtomicStarving]

The video game industry is fucked.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

That's because sony...spiderman.....evil.....Jim Ryan.

Superman.

Spoiler

At least according to MS's lawyertards.

 

[Clintizzle]

I was one of the people giving Sony shit for doing this. I didn't think at the time that MS had any sway in terms of telling publishers to not have their game on a competitor that has a user base of over 100+ Million.

I thought Sony was the only one in the position to say - "We have a gigantic userbase, we'll pay you $$$ and contribute to marketing so the potential loss of not being on Xbox is minimized"

 

[nowhat]

The goodness of good guy phil never ceases to amaze me.

Kumbaya my Phil, Kumbaya...

 

[DenchDeckard]

Oh shit Microsoft doing exactly what sonys doing! Just with game pass...

Spider man pointing at each other jpeg

 

[jroc74]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that after reading that post, lol.


The games eventually end up there. Like CoD and others, they just don't do day 1 for big AAA 3rd party games, and Activision has admitted they like that model better.

Smaller games like Stray and the like are day 1.

Now watch Stray doesn't count....for reasons.

IIRC there were at least 2 more games after that. Meet Your Maker was one.

Maybe Tchia was the other one?

 

[StealthGoblin]

Did anymore expect otherwise? It makes perfect sense for them to want to do that.

People have cried blue murder about Sony having blocking deals.

Of course it happens.

People need to get the idea that Microsoft are the good guys out of their head. They are ruthless and always have been. It's business.

Spencer has done a lot of whinging about things Sony do but they do the same thing as well. They are taking it to another awful level with their consolidation.

 

[Barakov]

Big info that got revealed in an unredacted document, they are signing deals to keep games out from other subscriptions than gamepass

 

[damidu]

uncle phil would never do this, his mission is to unite everyone in gamer lalaland
im sure he was fuming after figuring out this was going on behind his back.

ps. damn you jim ryan

 

[graywolf323]

Oh shit Microsoft doing exactly what sonys doing! Just with game pass...

Spider man pointing at each other jpeg

except it's not? we've already established that Sony does this with marketing deals, Microsoft has been doing this just with Game Pass deals even on games they don't have marketing on (likely Sea of Stars for example and someone else brought up A Plague's Tale: Requiem)

meanwhile Microsoft were openly out there using the press to say how Sony was persecuting them with deals like this, so no it's not just "they're just doing what Sony is doing" because they've been flat out acting like they're on some high horse above it all

Marketing a game is different than having a marketing deal.

Microsoft put Plague Tale Requiem on Game Pass day one, but PlayStation actually did more marketing for that game. Neither Microsoft nor Sony had any marketing deal for that game.

On the other hand, PlayStation had a Hogwart's Legacy "marketing deal" (the type which would have prevented a Game Pass deal), and that level of marketing was on a whole another level.

Guys, even better ...

Microsoft claims Sony pays for “blocking rights” to keep games off Xbox Game Pass

The claims were made in legal documents to a Brazilian regulator.

www.theverge.com

 

[CatLady]

We got all the receipts.

Receipts of what? That Xbox does some of the same shitty things to sony that we already knew sony does to Xbox. Many of your compadres strongly defended this so I can't imagine why you would be upset. Personally I still think it's a shitty practice regardless of who does it.

 

[Heisenberg007]

By the way, all the Xbox friends are absent from this thread right now. The conversation is very unbalanced right now.

 

[graywolf323]

By the way, all the Xbox friends are absent from this thread right now. The conversation is very unbalanced right now.

some of them have popped in to say things like "why is this news?" or "we already knew this"

 

[Hendrick's]

Hendrick's - thoughts?

I stand by my statement. Exclusives are bullshit, but that is the way most fans want it so be it.

 

[93xfan]

some of them have popped in to say things like "why is this news?" or "we already knew this"

Why is this news?

We already knew this.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Sony is paying money to keep games off gamepass and calls it a "marketing deal". Microsoft is paying money to keep games off psplus und puts them on gamepass instead. Tell me, which deal is better for the consumer?

Sony's marketing deals stipulate that they get first option of it in plus. So in that situation Sony allows the publisher to use their marketing muscle, make a load of up front sales and then have the option of going into PS+

In that scenario the publisher and the consumer wins.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I stand by my statement. Exclusives are bullshit, but that is the way most fans want it so be it.

No worries, to show how balanced you are we can wait for the next outrage in a teacup if Sony is involved .

 

[Vognerful]

I say to big Phill

 

[Hendrick's]

No worries, to show how balanced you are we can wait for the next outrage in a teacup if Sony is involved .

Oh no. Please no more GOTCHAs.

 

[Calling 911 Melts Beams]

Is this why halo infinite aint on netflix?

 

[bender]

If you've paid attention to non-Microsoft day one releases on Game Pass, this has been obvious as well as requiring an exclusivity period.

 

[simpatico]

Isn't there a precedent for TV/Movies doing this? What about the EA Play and Ubisoft titles?

 

[vkbest]

I bet they blocked the PS5 port of Yakuza like a dragon, released just 4 month after other versions. Same happened with Wreckfest.

 

[Filben]

"Epic" moneyhatting move.

 

[jroc74]

Isn't there a precedent for TV/Movies doing this? What about the EA Play and Ubisoft titles?

I believe every subscription service on earth might do this.

But for some wild reason some didn't think MS did this with Game Pass.

 

[Fabieter]

I bet they blocked the PS5 port of Yakuza like a dragon, released just 4 month after other versions. Same happened with Wreckfest.

And persona 3 and persona 4

 

[NickFire]

Threads like this make one thing crystal clear. And that is we need a new tag for creating threads. Fried Crows, Crow Dinner, Baked Crows, Crow salad, time to eat crow, or something to that effect.