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Xbox Live "More Juvenile” Than PSN

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Haunted said:
Oh those crazy Mexican kids.


Why else would grown adults play with toys!
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I was more thinking about the grown adults who pretend to be baby cats and masturbate themselves into a spunky fury over Naughty Dog games, but that works too.
 
I keep forgetting the console wars even exist, then stuff like this happens. sigh.

truth be told, PSN might be more "mature", but god knows this word can't be applied to the services offered.
 
It is more juvenile, on average, but not because of any conscious effort on the part of either platform holder to make it that way.

The barrier to entry for assholes has just been much lower on 360 for most of the generation.
 
So a Sony exclusive developer whose upcoming game is only online is shitting all over Xbox LIVE? WOW I'm shocked!! :lol :lol

What's more entertaining is how the fanboys are claiming: "Well yeah, makes sense. PSN / PS3 is more mature"
 
Keyser Soze said:
I always thought it would be the other way round, seeing as you have to pay for one. I though that would filter out more assholes.
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Problem is, $7.99 (or whatever it is) a month is probably well worth it to get your kid to stop bothering the crap out of you.
 
Jet Grind Radio! said:
So the Sony dev says that the Sony online service is more "mature?" Yup.
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Basically this. Zipper is owned by Sony.

Regardless, I don't think it's the case. If you gave all the PSN users headsets I think you'd have a simiarl situation to XBL. We're just lucky we can't hear them :)
 
MechDX said:
GO on Uno on LIVE after midnight.... Talk about being "offended". That lady suing Sony for the virtual harrassment would have a freaking heart attack.:lol
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Haven't done that in quite some time, I should dip my toe in the water and see what monster comes out :lol
 
lowrider007 said:
I'm sorry but this imo is wrong, to say that different platforms don't attract different demographics is incorrect, the question though is how blurred the lines are between them, and also like I and another chap has already mentioned there is no way considering the high price at which the PS3 was previously that it attracted the same demographic as the 360, and that foundation is still there, although like I said that will change now due to the price drop, I personally see the PS3 as a more 'mature' console, it's interface, styling, and previous pricing has most probably attributed to that (although I know in actuality it may not be the case, I'm talking about public perception here), you only have to boot up the 360 for the first time with it's cute avatars waiting to greet you to know that MS are aiming their console at a more 'casual' audience these days, Natal will back that up later this year, my mum for example purchased both my brothers 360 last Christmas because "all the kids at school play them on-line and use live to chat to their friends", now that's a good thing tbh, it shows how successful Live is, but at the same it shows the type of demographic it's pulling in over it's competitors.

End of the days all systems are going to have thier fair share of ass-hats, and there are different factors including number of people using head-sets/mics, type of game being played etc that attribute to peoples awareness of these type of players, but at the same time I do beleive that there is a disparity between the types of gamers on each of the platforms.
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wow. ok, take a really slow, deep breath. now, tell us how you really feel. :lol


also, "I personally see the PS3 as a more 'mature' console, it's interface, styling, and previous pricing has most probably attributed to that". really? might as well go all out and add "and with the best Blu-Ray player on the market and their award winning stable of first party developers Sony has shown a commitment to remain #1 in the home entertainment field".
 
What I don't understand about the mics is how come more PS3 users don't have them, I mean any blue tooth will work and some are dirt cheap. My friend didn't even know that because he is a causal player and thought only the official mic would work.

You could get a wireless mic cheaper for the PS3 than for Xbox.
 
WiCkEd_Co said:
What I don't understand about the mics is how come more PS3 users don't have them, I mean any blue tooth will work and some are dirt cheap. My friend didn't even know that because he is a causal player and thought only the official mic would work.

You could get a wireless mic cheaper for the PS3 than for Xbox.
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it's a hard thing to market i guess. man, marketing. that's been a big problem for Sony this gen. they do all sorts of kick ass stuff and then don't get much reward from it because they've been really sloppy in the marketing department.
 
So does anyone else support Lowrider's observation that the PC has less of these rude and/or childish hecklers?

I have certainly noticed the difference, but I had chalked that up to personal preference: I essentially assumed I wasn't being objective.
 
jaypah said:
wow. ok, take a really slow, deep breath. now, tell us how you really feel. :lol
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Not sure what you mean by that?

also, "I personally see the PS3 as a more 'mature' console, it's interface, styling, and previous pricing has most probably attributed to that". really? might as well go all out and add "and with the best Blu-Ray player on the market and their award winning stable of first party developers Sony has shown a commitment to remain #1 in the home entertainment field".
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I like how you completely ignore what I bracketed immediately after that statement,

"(although I know in actuality it may not be the case, I'm talking about public perception here)"

Stop trying to twist this into a console warzz111!zzz debate.
 
jaypah said:
wow. ok, take a really slow, deep breath. now, tell us how you really feel. :lol


also, "I personally see the PS3 as a more 'mature' console, it's interface, styling, and previous pricing has most probably attributed to that". really? might as well go all out and add "and with the best Blu-Ray player on the market and their award winning stable of first party developers Sony has shown a commitment to remain #1 in the home entertainment field".
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Pretty much. Don't hold back now. :lol
 
Opiate said:
So does anyone else support Lowrider's observation that the PC has less of these rude and/or childish hecklers?

I have certainly noticed the difference, but I had chalked that up to personal preference: I essentially assumed I wasn't being objective.
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No, I've definitely noticed it. Especially in the TF2 community. People are either usually silent or "spy in the base" "someone deal with that demo" "I'm headed for the intel". Its way better than the few XBL games I've played.

Although, in fairness, I'm not sure if that's PC vs Console, or just TF2 vs Everything else
 
This was brought up yesterday in the MAG thread. Having been on both services before the price drops PS3 was very adult and very mature, it is quickly catching up to Live now.

So in a sense, I do agree with him...for now.
 
lowrider007 said:
I like how you completely ignore what I bracket immediately after that statement,

"(although I know in actuality it may not be the case, I'm talking about public perception here)"

Stop trying to twist this into a console warzz111!zzz debate.
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:lol your post was crazy. " I personally see the PS3 as a more 'mature' console, it's interface, styling" might as well go all out and add "sleek lines and soul piercing black finish that screams digital maturity". plus you use anecdotal evidence and at the end come up with the statement "I do beleive that there is a disparity between the types of gamers on each of the platforms". you have a right to believe that and i also have the right to laugh at that.

of course i could just be having a little fun with you. but i can't help but be a dick, i mean i do have a 360 with its cute avatars (and a wii and a PS3).
 
PSN: 25-40 year old stupid immature assholes

XBL: 10-25 year old stupid immature assholes.

Which one is worse than the other, is your call. There's something more pathetic about a 30 year old man cursing you out online than it is a 14 year old kid, I get that.
Either way, when you play something popular online - you're going to be playing with stupid immature assholes. The broader "base" for something you have online, the more you're going to get. You narrow that scope down and make it a smaller market - then only the hardcore people who are into that game are going to be playing.

I'm going to go out on a limb that there are fewer stupid assholes sending hate mail playing BlazBlu on PSN than stupid assholes playing Street Fighter 4 on XBL.
 
ConradCervantes said:
He's half right. While the amount of racist, vulgar trash is lower on the PSN in comparison, they all seem to gravitate towards certain games (Uncharted 2, MW2). Games like Resistance 2 and Killzone 2 have all been very pleasant from my point of view. Whereas it seems every game has shit talkers on Live, even ones where you wouldn't expect it, like Burnout Paradise or Forza.
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Why would you not expect it in Burnout of all things? Or Forza really? I thought you were going to say something like Culdcept Saga or Catan. Someone talking smack in those games I would be surprised of.
 
I think it's pretty apparent to anyone who's been gaming for a significant amount of time, or anyone who can afford to game on all platforms, that overall PC beats out consoles are far as quality players are concerned every time. The times I did encounter obnoxious people on PC were on CS; and those times weren't often unless someone on our team started it. Xbox Live has by far the worst. I quit Halo a long, long time ago because of this, or stopped using my mic entirely unless I'm in a party.

PS3 I've encountered far less, but like has been said before, because of the lack of some having a Mic, which I contribute to the fact that it's difficult to set up a wireless with PS3, countless times I have I gone without one because after I set it up perfectly, do everything right, it just doesn't sync, or what was said before about marketing the cheap headsets.

Plus a lot of this is specific to what type of games you play as far as competitive nature; of course if you play MW2 you'll get those people in every single game for the most part, same thing for Halo. PS3 doesn't have that competitive nature to it by default like the Xbox does, because of the past with CE.
 
jaypah said:
:lol your post was crazy. " I personally see the PS3 as a more 'mature' console, it's interface, styling" might as well go all out and add "sleek lines and soul piercing black finish that screams digital maturity". plus you use anecdotal evidence and at the end come up with the statement "I do beleive that there is a disparity between the types of gamers on each of the platforms". you have a right to believe that and i also have the right to laugh at that.

of course i could just be having a little fun with you. but i can't help but be a dick, i mean i do have a 360 with its cute avatars (and a wii and a PS3).
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It' seems you took my post as a personal attack, I'm sorry that was the case, also I'm not sure why you keep spouting out "you might as well go all out and say blah blah blah", why should I say those things if they are not my opinion and don't pertain to this debate, it's you that is coming out with those silly statements.
 
Adam Prime said:
Which one is worse than the other, is your call. There's something more pathetic about a 30 year old man cursing you out online than it is a 14 year old kid, I get that.
Either way, when you play something popular online - you're going to be playing with stupid immature assholes. The broader "base" for something you have online, the more you're going to get. You narrow that scope down and make it a smaller market - then only the hardcore people who are into that game are going to be playing.
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This is true. Especially the part about the broader player base bringing out the idiots. The only thing with the smaller player base games is that sometimes they turn into elitist snobbery and it's hard for new players to get into them because they get votekicked. For me, most of the time I don't use my headset if I'm just playing team deathmatch, but if it's objective based then I always use it. Need to have that strategy.

Anecdotally, on MW2 now on PSN, if you get in a demolition match these days, it seems like almost everyone has mics. People are finally catching on that you need them to work as a team on those gametypes.
 
*Playing my single game of Halo 3 for their Haiti thing*
*Someone says something*
"Ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
"No ur a fag"
*pause*
"Well at least I'm not a bitch"
*game loads*

More juvenile? I would say more philosophical.
 
Oh how I long for the quiet, trash talk free days of early PSN. Its tough to have people talk shit when the only people that owned a ps3 were probably too broke at that point to afford a microphone. (myself included)
 
lowrider007 said:
It' seems you took my post as a personal attack, I'm sorry that was the case, also I'm not sure why you keep spouting out "you might as well go all out and say blah blah blah", why should I say those things if they are not my opinion and don't pertain to this debate, it's you that is coming out with those silly statements.
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personal attack? you really are crazy. your post sounded like PR and i had a little fun with it. i figured going directly back to "you might as well go all out" would have tipped you off that i was just fucking with you but i guess not. bottom line is one console is more popular and has a high number of consoles that come with mics, the other doesn't. you seem to think the 2 have some kind of maturity difference when a quick trip to MW2 on either console kills that argument. a lot of console gamers are dicks and if you give a dick a voice you can expect the worst. there is no difference between the guy that buys a game for the PS3 or a game for the 360. hell, a large number of people do both. i can't speak for PC gaming but the popular opinion seems to be that it's a lot more friendly, or at least easier to not deal with the bullshit.
 
I'm sure a higher amount of user plus more headsets account for a lot, but I don't think it accounts for all of it.

I think at least part of it is that assholes that want attention are probably drawn to Live just because of the perception that PSN is quiet and they are less likely to get attention which is frusterating to them. And on the flipside, people who really don't want to talk online are drawn to PSN for that reason as well.

I've come across plenty of bad communities (CS, DOTA), but I think Halo 2 at its apex is the single worst one I've ever encountered in my life, and it has forever altered my perception.
 
I would say it depends by game on PSN. COD is equally bad on both, but something like MAG and Warhawk and UC2 has always been very clean for me. Resistance and BF series is like a mix of the two. A good amount of assholes and a good amount of serious players.

I guess certain games attract the unsavory characters, regardless of which service they are on.
 
jaypah said:
personal attack? you really are crazy. your post sounded like PR and i had a little fun with it. i figured going directly back to "you might as well go all out" would have tipped you off that i was just fucking with you but i guess not. bottom line is one console is more popular and has a high number of consoles that come with mics, the other doesn't. you seem to think the 2 have some kind of maturity difference when a quick trip to MW2 on either console kills that argument. a lot of console gamers are dicks and if you give a dick a voice you can expect the worst. there is no difference between the guy that buys a game for the PS3 or a game for the 360. hell, a large number of people do both. i can't speak for PC gaming but the popular opinion seems to be that it's a lot more friendly, or at least easier to not deal with the bullshit.
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He prefers the PS3. Just take his opinion's basis as anecdotal and move on.
 
Personally, as it stands now I can't let my kids play on the PSN because Sony does not do anything about offensive user names.

I had a game the other day where I was playing with "N1G_KILLA" and "J3W_BAKE" running around. Those kind of tags won't even last a full day on XBL.

On XBL, I can simply turn voice chat off. You can't hide user names on either system, so I feel as though I have more control as a parent on XBL.
 
Kenak said:
He prefers the PS3. Just take his opinion's basis as anecdotal and move on.
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yeah, i was just playing with him. i only play with friends on all consoles (except mario kart wii) so this debate was inconsequential from the start.
 
Cheech said:
Personally, as it stands now I can't let my kids play on the PSN because Sony does not do anything about offensive user names.

I had a game the other day where I was playing with "N1G_KILLA" and "J3W_BAKE" running around. Those kind of tags won't even last a full day on XBL.

On XBL, I can simply turn voice chat off. You can't hide user names on either system, so I feel as though I have more control as a parent on XBL.
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Why not report it yourself?

Go to http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/PS3# and click on the PlayStation®Network Complaint Form.
 
jaypah said:
personal attack? you really are crazy. your post sounded like PR and i had a little fun with it. i figured going directly back to "you might as well go all out" would have tipped you off that i was just fucking with you but i guess not. bottom line is one console is more popular and has a high number of consoles that come with mics, the other doesn't. you seem to think the 2 have some kind of maturity difference when a quick trip to MW2 on either console kills that argument. a lot of console gamers are dicks and if you give a dick a voice you can expect the worst. there is no difference between the guy that buys a game for the PS3 or a game for the 360. hell, a large number of people do both. i can't speak for PC gaming but the popular opinion seems to be that it's a lot more friendly, or at least easier to not deal with the bullshit.
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No I am not crazy.

I'm not talking about the demographic of any particular game, I'm talking about the demographic of everyone as a whole on each of the two platforms, I beleive that there is a more mature player base on the PS3 atm (as a whole), the line may be fine but there is a line, which other people have agreed with, and also I said that the high entry point was probably a contributing factor for that, which also others on here have brought up without disagreement, I'm not discounting that headsets don't also play a part in the perception of which platform has a more 'juvenile' player-base, but you should know that because I also brought that up in my post that you initially quoted.

Kenak said:
He prefers the PS3. Just take his opinion's basis as anecdotal and move on.
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And yes I do prefer the PS3, as a piece of hardware, but that shouldn't mean that my opinions are full of bias, objectivity can still exist in that framework, you only have to look at my post history to see that my most wanted game this year is Halo Reach, and also only recently I was crediting MS for the improvements we have seen with the PSN due to Sony being forced into trying to keep up, I'll flat out state here and now that I think 'Live' is the better social gaming archetype, but I beleive that also has a lot do with why there is more 'Juvenile' behaviour on there, because it is more successful.

This alone is a testament to that,

Adam Prime said:
Cheaper system + kids (their parents) can "afford" it + comes with free headset.

DUH.

I teach 8th grade. Kids always ask me what system I have. I tell them I have a PS3 - and they ask me why not a 360. I ask them to raise their hands: "Who plays Xbox Live online?". Kids hands go up. "Who plays PlayStation 3 online?". No hands raised.

"That's why I don't own a 360." :lol
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Which is what my younger bro's tell me, pretty much all thier friends are on Live.
 
I don't really get the point with the lack of headsets on PSN. Those who want to use it, who want to take advantage of the possibility to talk to another person in an online game... those persons will buy one anyway.

Xbox Live seems to be a megaphone for every idiot who bought the console. They use the headset because everyone does so and don't really for comminication in games. There are other things that make the Xbox online experience super cool - giving every single player a headset is definitely not one of them...
 
lowrider007 said:
And yes I do prefer the PS3, as a piece of hardware, but that shouldn't mean that my opinions are full of bias, objectivity can still exist in that framework, you only have to look at my post history to see that my most wanted game this year is Halo Reach, and also only recently I was crediting MS for the improvements we have seen with the PSN due to Sony being forced into trying to keep up, I'll flat out state here and now that I think 'Live' is the better social gaming archetype, but I beleive that also has a lot do with why there is more 'Juvenile' behaviour on there, because it is more successful.
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I wasn't trying to start anything. Was just trying to move the conversation away from attacks is all.
snap0212 said:
I don't really get the point with the lack of headsets on PSN. Those who want to use it, who want to take advantage of the possibility to talk to another person in an online game... those persons will buy one anyway.

Xbox Live seems to be a megaphone for every idiot who bought the console. They use the headset because everyone does so and don't really for comminication in games. There are other things that make the Xbox online experience super cool - giving every single player a headset is defenetly not one of them...
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I disagree. When I play a 360 game I pretty much assume everyone has a headset available. When I play on the PS3 I assume the opposite. This doesn't really matter as much in a game like COD, but in Killzone or Fat Princess it makes it really difficult to try and coordinate anything. In fact, Fat Princess would have benefited A LOT by having the PS3 come with a headset by default.

It's worth noting that the PS3's system for headsets is a lot more open, allowing me to use any blue tooth headset. 360 cost ~$15 for a wired and ~$40 for a wireless. PS3 I can just find a $10 wireless headset online.
 
andycapps said:
This is true, but I think they should integrate the reporting into the PS3 XMB.
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This. Should have been integrated from the start but there's no excuse to not have it after 3 years of firmware updates.
 
I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with that statement. People are acting like just because someone says there are more idiots on Xbox Live that there aren't any on PS3. Just because one has more doesn't mean the other has none. Take the userbase into account and it's basically common sense but everyone wants to turn this into console war nonsense.
 
GarJon said:
This. Should have been integrated from the start but there's no excuse to not have it after 3 years of firmware updates.
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Banning someone's username will only delay them a short time until they create a new one. I'm not sure if they ban by username, IP address, or ban the console.
 
In every online game I've ever played (Be it PC, 360 or PS3) I've come across a lot of assholes and a lot of great people. I really can't say one userbase seems more or less mature than the other.
 
Opiate said:
So does anyone else support Lowrider's observation that the PC has less of these rude and/or childish hecklers?

I have certainly noticed the difference, but I had chalked that up to personal preference: I essentially assumed I wasn't being objective.
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opiate, you cad.

trolling is far too dirtier a word for this sort of elegance.
 
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