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1600x900 more pixels than 1280x1080
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Xbox One | Ryse confirmed running native at 900p
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Wipeout HD: dynamic-framerate-dependent 1080p framebuffer (1280x1080 to 1920x1080)
1600x900 more pixels than 1280x1080
Portugeezer
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Time to preorder COD for that next gen 1080p60
ricardo_sousa11
Member
Yes, thats how making games work
Gears 3 is locked 30 fps, Gow 3 is unlocked
That artwork shows what we have to expect (in terms of resolution)
The character is rendered, right ?
Anyway, I am okay with this resolution, I actually love it.
It is shocking that their Microsoft sources may not be being completely honest with them.
But it's very disappointing that they didn't do the due diligence.
On-topic I've been saying for a while this generation would be 900p vs. 1080p for most multiplats, but I really thought we'd be getting 1080p for Ryse, They're building it as their graphical showpiece and the MS reps keep falling back onto it in interviews saying it stands up to anything on PS4 when being asked about the power differences. Surprised MS didn't actually step in and say drop the effects, give us 1080p because it's an easy ball for Sony to hit out of the park, it's a factual number where as the effects are all open to interpretation to an extent.
Deus Ex Machina
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This.
Mohonky
Member
No I'm making the point of how fickle and pathetic some people are being.
The game looks great (comparative to the best looking games out there right now) and developers are always looking at trade off's, whether it's resolution, frame rate, number of objects on screen, particles and effects etc etc.
There is not and never will be a generation of 1080p / 60fps. I can't believe people were even asking about it during E3. Make more powerful hardware, push it too it's limits the best you know how.
In this case, Crytek are obviously not pushing for 1080p and 60fps but balancing that against what they envision for the title. Same as all console development.
The only way this could be a big deal is if;
A: the games frame rate is shit and unplayable
B: the game for whatever reason looks considerably worse than anything else out there
C: you're some deluded fanboy and you've put shit like pixel counting etc into your fanboy spank bank for future 'çonsole warz' arguments.
What is the big deal here outside of console warz?
i dont think many people will notice about "small" resolution differences, especially since it will be upscaled. surely this is the best way for x1 games to catch up to ps4 games.
Yea, I like the order 1920x800, But I don't want it in every game, and once i get the game it will have to show me why it is 1920x800 if it doesn't do a good job of that, then it will put me off that aspect ratio for a while in games.
I wouldn't consider 44% more pixels a small difference. Especially not with the native resolution of most panels these days is 1080p.
Aizu_Itsuko
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I can't wait to get one of those new TVs so I can upscale all my Game Boy games to 4k. They will look badass!
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this particular interview
If that's the case, I think it's wasteful of them to sacrifice resolution to get the more 'filmic' look, emulate real-life cinematic lenses, etc. I don't want to feel I play a movie; I know it is a game and I want to see as much of it as possible. Especially, since it's a 3rd person game it is crucial to see what's ahead and by introducing those borders they're actively reducing the visibility.
If their engine & effects are so advanced that PS4 can't handle it at full res, I'd rather go for upscaled image or dynamic resolution. Or - better yet - ditch all the fancy 'filmic' stuff.
Audible Phonetics
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Does the upscaling diminish the finished product vs if it was native?
Well then you use the right stick in GoW3 you perform a dodge roll and sometimes the camera moves with it. Perhaps that is horrible juddering for him?
Prince Vultan
Banned
Well, that's certainly a thing.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
From the EDGE article:
One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One.
Coincidence?
One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but itll run at 20-something FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One.
Coincidence?
Freeman
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900p up-scaled to 1080p is just sad. Ryse just doesn't have anything going for it at this point and I'm not sure if it ever had.
I actually like the way The Order is dealing with its resolution being below 1080p. Many games already use black bars in cut-scenes, so there must be some value to that, as long as the UI isn't too small to read and not too big as to take to much space(great opportunity for a minimalist UI or to have integrated with the game like in Dead Space).
I actually like the way The Order is dealing with its resolution being below 1080p. Many games already use black bars in cut-scenes, so there must be some value to that, as long as the UI isn't too small to read and not too big as to take to much space(great opportunity for a minimalist UI or to have integrated with the game like in Dead Space).
I'd assume Ryse is pretty far from platform-agnostic builds right now.
Oppo
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... For literally a split second, in the middle of crazy explosions. Try harder.
Mohonky said:
Not really. Last gen were the first HD consoles. We gave devs a pass because they needed to get p to speed, and the hardware often couldn't even do what they wanted at 720p, let alone the scant handful of 3D games actually running at native rez 1080p.
We are now 7 years into widespread HD use; it's time to fucking get on board. Many of us have NEVER seen a video game running at the native rez of our TVs that we have owned for years. Think about that.
Portugeezer
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I would say so because it's an exclusive game. What can we make from this when Xbone has Forza 5 at 1080p60 (for now)?
Yes, since upscaling techniques can only operate on the lower-resolution base image and don't have any more information about the scene that the image shows. They can only try to interpolate pixels based on the pixels of the base image. In other words, you won't get more detail, only a larger, stretched image. Conversely, when you are rendering in a native resolution, every pixel of the final image can be calculated based an all available scene information. A higher resolution thus results in higher detail.
i wouldnt either, hence the quotes. that said, i seriously doubt the majority of people will see ryse playing and think it has a lower res then anything else. if they do notice more jaggies, it wont impact visuals all that much. my point was and is, this is a decent trade off to make for x1 titles to look comparable to ps4 titles.
Interfectum
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900p, 30fps.... lol next gen am here
Kazuma Kiryu
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You're actually getting more information because of the aspect ratio.
Why do you think cinema wide is used still?
Killzone is 1080p30 for single player and 1080p60 for MP
Knack is 1080p30
Drive club is 1080p30
Not sure about infamous second son, it's probably 1080p30.
ConteZero76
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I'd say 512 bit memory bus instead of 256.
Oppo
Member
Yeah I think they are all 1080p native rez, from what I've seen. Only frame rates vary.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I believe that Resogun is 1080p/60fps
Someone should start a comparison thread with confirmed resolutions. I would but I'm not as informed as some Gaffers and would cock it up
Nymphae
Banned
It's something to complain about. This is the internet.
Newspeak.
I believe that Resogun is 1080p/60fps
Someone should start a comparison thread with confirmed resolutions. I would but I'm not as informed as some Gaffers and would cock it up
Yea would be a cool thread. Helps some of us make more informed choice at launch. Unfortunately I don't have the time to make such a list. Does this indicate a power difference?
Are there even any GPUs with a 512bit GDDR5 interface? I'd guess that the necessary die size for such an interface would make the system more expensive than $800.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I had to chuckle at this post on N4G by 5h4h4b:
Aaron greenberg : "Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p"
Albert Penello : " don't know him"
I still think Ryse will be decent 1st gen game though
Aaron greenberg : "Xbox One upscales all titles to 1080p"
Albert Penello : " don't know him"
I still think Ryse will be decent 1st gen game though
boredandlazy
Member
It's called desperation.
That is not a feat when they have only fixed time of day and no weather changes. And as a bonus, they are trying to give us this shit and call it nextgen:
[reflextions are not filtering out the HUD above cars]
wtf? Oh my
Your damage control is delicious. I wonder if the tables were turned what your tune would be?
You're actually getting more information because of the aspect ratio.
Why do you think cinema wide is used still?
Sure, but that's most likely the information irrelevant for the gameplay. What you care about is directly in front of you or slightly to the sides and because of the black bars visibility will be affected: if there's enemy ahead and it would be 200 pixels high in 1920x1080, it will have to be squeezed to 148 pixels in The Order to preserve the perspective of the scene. Assuming it's important - for gameplay! - to see what the enemy does or what weapon he's carrying, then you have 1/4 of visual information lost, so it might be more difficult to distinguish between e.g. a rifle or a pitchfork to employ correct battle strategy
Once again - it's a game, not a movie.
ConteZero76
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384 bits seems to be the upper limit today.
Still, Durango (5yaddatron transistors) is way larger than Orbis.
Phat Michael
Banned
NeoGaf : where Ryse is now considered "ugly shit".
Ok, I have no idea about the physical layout if such a memory interface, I just read somewhere (I think on DF) that the die size of the PS4 (or XBO, don't remember) APU would imply a 256bit interface. In addition, current high-end cards all have 384bit interfaces, IIRC.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Which is fine for me personally. The major problem with 30fps is not the actual look of things, it is the fact that we are not used to rock steady framerates. So if a game this generation " targeted " 30fps, you would very often run into sections of the game where it dropped 5-10fps which just KILLS the gameplay of the title. A 5-10fps drop in a 60FPS is barely noticeable, but once you go below that 24fps mark ... yeah it is very much a problem.
But this generation, if they target 30fps then they better build their engine around that mark. We should not have 30fps games actually dipping lower then that. A rock steady 30fps is just fine. I play nearly all my PC games at 30fps, as long as it stays above that number running on FRAPS or afterburner and never below.
Because the game isn't rendering at 1080p either so people felt the need to bring it up.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Wrong.
The GeForce GTX 280 and 285 had a 512bit buses.
randiangamer
Banned
no, no. Not only xbox problem. The ideal is 1080/60fps.
For the moment the only next game game accomplishing that is Forza.
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