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Xbox One Tour - Highly disappointed in system and graphics

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Leewan

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Not really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPAQa6Scbdc

Apologies in case it was posted, catching up with the thread.

How much better can you make it?

A bigger difference in textures and effects is pretty obvious when I play that vid on my TV, Forza 4 just looks plain on the big screen hard to tell a difference in models but with the exceptoin of what happens in the interior how much smoother can the outside look.

Games like Forza are going to be harder to show off the graphical goodness than say if Sony did a motorstorm update on PS4.

MS would have a more impressive game if they could take some of those cars into a muddy destruction derby rally
 

Project Alice

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NetBluff, out of curiosity did you own the OG XBOX or the XBOX 360? Also, Vienna is a beautiful city. I lived in Austria for two years when I was a kid.
 

watership

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Not really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPAQa6Scbdc

Apologies in case it was posted, catching up with the thread.

People are posting this as proof. Which I don't get. Yet even looking at it quickly, I can see far more detail, crowds of people in the stands, birds in the air, debris, mist moving over the rocks. The textures all over the track and rocks are far more detailed..and the lighting is better. Add in the problems with youtube encoding, and one is a final game, and the other is unfinished code..and it seems a like poor proof.
 

Bsigg12

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Sure, but there's been two general threads for this exact thing. What prompted OP to make his own thread? It's quite odd. His writeup was good, but other people have done very similar write-ups in other threads and it didn't prompt this sort of reaction.



WOAH HEY (woah hey)

If this had been in one of the other threads we wouldn't have a 20 page flame war. By starting a new thread with a negative title it instantly draws attention from people who normally wouldn't be looking through the Xbox One tour impression thread.
 

beast786

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There's already one. This forum is hilarious, make a legitimate thread about how much hate there is in this forum, it gets locked right away. Have the sony guy make a "he's not impressed by xbox" thread, even tho other threads already cover the xbox bus tour, it'll go on for 167 pages. Good job mods, you're doing a bangup job.

 

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Well, I posted earlier my impressions on the X1 controller, now I just got back from Future Shop again and got to try a round of Killer Instinct and Forza 5.

Again, just throwing it out there, I play primarily on PC and own both 360/PS3 and also have PS4/X1 pre-ordered so I like to think I'm not biased.

Fun thing to point out was at the kiosk, there were 2 either Microsoft employees or Future Shop people standing there basically talking to me the whole time about the features of the Xbox 1 including the '300,000 servers and cloud' stuff. To be expected, annoying though.

Forza 5 - Very disappointing. To me, it seemed like the videos had so much more detail in the car models and tracks. In person, it looked dated to me. Aliasing was very much so present. The demo kiosk was just set up today, don't know the details on the TV they were using, so it could have just been poorly calibrated. But I was quite surprised with how much worse I feel it looked in person. Game played fine though and was smooth. The car exteriors are where I felt the most detail was lost.

A funny tidbit that happened during the Forza demo: I was playing and one of the employees/reps there was mentioning how great it looks, and mentioned something about even the rear view mirror looks great. I kinda chuckled to myself as I noticed half the map disappearing very quickly as I raced on.

Killer Instinct - No idea what I was doing, button mashed my way to victory against an employee there. Honestly, I feel almost as if this game could have came out on 360. It really wasn't that big of a leap visually. The particle effects were the only thing that screamed 'next-gen' to me. Textures on the characters though weren't sharp and the 720p really showed I felt.

I really hope a lot of this had to do with the TV either only being 720p or poor calibration however. It was an LG tv, that's all I know.
 
See what? I see a thread of a man who went to the Xbox One Tour, demoed the Xbone, and gave his opinions of the games he played. If you are trying to say I'm "fucking dense" for not looking at it with the same eyes you are, then call me Osmium.



Did you just call the mods out for bias? lol See you later.

I actually agree with this, you have the right to your opinon. That's what makes NeoGAF great is we aren't one collective amoeba.
 

Salex_

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There's already one. This forum is hilarious, make a legitimate thread about how much hate there is in this forum, it gets locked right away. Have the sony guy make a "he's not impressed by xbox" thread, even tho other threads already cover the xbox bus tour, it'll go on for 167 pages. Good job mods, you're doing a bangup job.

Sounds like you need a break from NeoGAF. Your feelings are hurt.
 

Kincaido

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That's how the majority NeoGAF has been since the Xbox One was announced. You're a shill, a market plant or hate your self or your a fanboy if you like the Xbox One and the PS4 is better in every way. Your opinion on what you like is no longer valid Apparently. Simply because your a horrible person for liking the X1.

There's already one. This forum is hilarious, make a legitimate thread about how much hate there is in this forum, it gets locked right away. Have the sony guy make a "he's not impressed by xbox" thread, even tho other threads already cover the xbox bus tour, it'll go on for 167 pages. Good job mods, you're doing a bangup job.

RIP
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Well, I posted earlier my impressions on the X1 controller, now I just got back from Future Shop again and got to try a round of Killer Instinct and Forza 5.

Again, just throwing it out there, I play primarily on PC and own both 360/PS3 and also have PS4/X1 pre-ordered so I like to think I'm not biased.

Fun thing to point out was at the kiosk, there were 2 either Microsoft employees or Future Shop people standing there basically talking to me the whole time about the features of the Xbox 1 including the '300,000 servers and cloud' stuff. To be expected, annoying though.

Forza 5 - Very disappointing. To me, it seemed like the videos had so much more detail in the car models and tracks. In person, it looked dated to me. Aliasing was very much so present. The demo kiosk was just set up today, don't know the details on the TV they were using, so it could have just been poorly calibrated. But I was quite surprised with how much worse I feel it looked in person. Game played fine though and was smooth. The car exteriors are where I felt the most detail was lost.

A funny tidbit that happened during the Forza demo: I was playing and one of the employees/reps there was mentioning how great it looks, and mentioned something about even the rear view mirror looks great. I kinda chuckled to myself as I noticed half the map disappearing very quickly as I raced on.

Killer Instinct - No idea what I was doing, button mashed my way to victory against an employee there. Honestly, I feel almost as if this game could have came out on 360. It really wasn't that big of a leap visually. The particle effects were the only thing that screamed 'next-gen' to me. Textures on the characters though weren't sharp and the 720p really showed I felt.

I really hope a lot of this had to do with the TV either only being 720p or poor calibration however. It was an LG tv, that's all I know.

That's odd, my PS3 looks gorgeous on my 1080p LG TV. LG makes Sony panels after all.
 

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I am enjoying seeing what people have to say about their hands on, but not taking any of it as fact, because its hard to tell ... it is going to be fun to see what happens on launch days, especially looking forward to the Giant Bomb live streams... I remember last year as Patrick and Brad discovered that they couldn't transfer their accounts to their own WiiUs, my biggest concern with jumping in on PS4/XB1 at launch is the "surprises" ... which is probably a good reason to wait and see, but launch hype tells me I will still get my PS4 on day 1.
 

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Not really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPAQa6Scbdc

Apologies in case it was posted, catching up with the thread.

Oh boy.

I've always thought Forza 5 looked underwhelming, and the recent shonky, jaggy filled images from the direct feed footage just re-enforced that. Side by side to Forza 4, and the only obvious differences are more bloom, a prettier higher res skybox, and marginally better lighting. Textures and geometry seem the exact same. It looks like a highly polished 360 game, not a game to showcase a new generation of consoles.
 

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There's already one. This forum is hilarious, make a legitimate thread about how much hate there is in this forum, it gets locked right away. Have the sony guy make a "he's not impressed by xbox" thread, even tho other threads already cover the xbox bus tour, it'll go on for 167 pages. Good job mods, you're doing a bangup job.

Smile, your on NeoGafShitPosts~!
 

netBuff

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That's odd, my PS3 looks gorgeous on my 1080p LG TV. LG makes Sony panels after all.

Yeah, I got a 1080p LG in my house and it looks superb. No idea what was going on there.

These experiences are very similar to mine (I can confirm not being all that impressed by Killer Instinct's graphics either, and Forza suffered extremely noticeable aliasing). Why would the TV be at fault?

NetBluff, out of curiosity did you own the OG XBOX or the XBOX 360? Also, Vienna is a beautiful city. I lived in Austria for two years when I was a kid.

Yep, owned both Xbox 1 and the 360 (but sold both near the end of their lifetimes, the 360 after I had finished Gears of War: Judgment).

Vienna is indeed a very charming city.
 

Windom Earle

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How much better can you make it?

A bigger difference in textures and effects is pretty obvious when I play that vid on my TV, Forza 4 just looks plain on the big screen hard to tell a difference in models but with the exceptoin of what happens in the interior how much smoother can the outside look.

Games like Forza are going to be harder to show off the graphical goodness than say if Sony did a motorstorm update on PS4.

MS would have a more impressive game if they could take some of those cars into a muddy destruction derby rally

Bullshit. For starters, implement dynamic lighting and better shaders so the cars can finally lose the plastic look. Continue with some form of AA. And remove the ridiculous bloom in the process.
 
These experiences are very similar to mine (I can confirm not being all that impressed by Killer Instinct's graphics either, and Forza suffered extremely noticeable aliasing). Why would the TV be at fault?



Yep, owned both Xbox 1 and the 360 (but sold both near the end of their life, the 360 after I had finished Gears of War: Judgment).

Vienna is indeed a very charming city.
Well, it could be poor calibration or it could be simply because its being displayed in 700p? There's many possible reasons, these games haven't gone gold yet and the crunch team on Ryse is supposed to be huge.
 

netBuff

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Well, it could be poor calibration or it could be simply because its being displayed in 700p? There's many possible reasons, these games haven't gone gold yet and the crunch team on Ryse is supposed to be huge.

This really is reaching a bit far. Builds will get better, but KI is a 720p game nonetheless and won't gain many graphics updates from now till November.

I know it should be locked, it shouldn't have made it past the first page.

I'm surprised you're surprised it isn't though.

What didn't you like about my writeup based on my experience with the Xbox One? If it's just the fact that I got a bad impression out of the event, you'll have to learn to deal with that.
 

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This phrase should be a bannable offense just like "master race" was for a while(still is?). It does nothing and ignores a possible forum problem. A mod has acknowledged the bias as well, just so you know.

And Bish has told people the opposite quite a few times and to stop whining. Can you call something biased if it is so because it universally goes against the wants of the majority? MS has fucked up royally and even though they have 180'd, they still continue to do idiotic things and NeoGAF has called them out every step of the way, the same way they did when Sony fucked up with PS3. Until MS shows otherwise, they will continue to be the target of ire from numerous people. If people can't handle the heat, stay out of the damn kitchen.
 

viveks86

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Lets all make a thread then. Its our right.

It is indeed. Everyone is free to do so! I see no issues with that.

Considering how many threads are available where you can post stuff like this in, it makes this thread about as useful an ice cube maker in Siberia.

Let the mods decide if the thread is worth maintaining or not. If you don't like it you are free to ignore it. Meanwhile, people interested should be free to participate without people like you going off topic and turning it into an unproductive verbal brawl.

I'm a junior here. It's sad that I need to explain to you how forums or freedom of speech works. Please don't expect a response from me again if you have nothing to say on topic.
 
This really is reaching a bit far. Builds will get better, but KI is a 720p game nonetheless and won't gain many graphics updates from now till November.



What didn't you like about my writeup based on my experience with the Xbox One? If it's just the fact that I got a bad impression out of the event, you'll have to learn to deal with that.

I'm not impressed with Killer Instinct either even from the trailers they've been showing me, please don't patronize me. Though I'm slightly disappointed by your report on Forza. I was really looking forward to that game being the knock out next gen blow graphically that X1 needed and the idea to look around corners with Kinect is pretty cool. Though all the games coming out this year are honestly just something to give us to play. Next year is gona be big. I'll have to see Forza with my own eyes.
 

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How much better can you make it?

A bigger difference in textures and effects is pretty obvious when I play that vid on my TV, Forza 4 just looks plain on the big screen hard to tell a difference in models but with the exception of what happens in the interior how much smoother can the outside look.

Games like Forza are going to be harder to show off the graphical goodness than say if Sony did a motorstorm update on PS4.

MS would have a more impressive game if they could take some of those cars into a muddy destruction derby rally

When MS showed the Forza 5 trailer at E3, it looked next gen. Then when I see the in-game shots in real time, it looks like Forza 4 to me (graphic wise).

Id still like to play it regardless (Their physics engine seems better over GT), probably when xbone hits 299 or less, by then im sure there'd be another.
 

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What didn't you like about my writeup based on my experience with the Xbox One? If it's just the fact that I got a bad impression out of the event, you'll have to learn to deal with that.

Honestly? It wasn't anything out of the ordinary, detail wise or anything. The main reason we're in a 20 page thread and not a 2 page one is because of how hard in the paint you went to one particular direction, regardless of what that direction was.

Console war thread, naturally.

Like I said, my impressions run real counter to yours, though I came from a similar position (being real skeptical of the One). But you making a thread about it is real suspect, as we discussed before.
 

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Bullshit. For starters, implement dynamic lighting and better shaders so the cars can finally lose the plastic look. Continue with some form of AA. And remove the ridiculous bloom in the process.

If Forza 4 was close to photorealism, then Leewan might have had a point. But it wasn't. Not even close. There is clear room for improvement. There should be significant, obvious visual enhancements as when you move to a new generation of consoles. That's not the case there at all. They haven't even used the more powerful hardware to improve IQ. The lack of AA (or at best, the use of some sort of limited post-process AA) is a glaring issue in Forza 5.

Each gen, and I go into it hoping that this time it will be the gen where good AA is absolutely standard in every game. The Dreamcast set my hopes too high, too early. Then the 360 seemed to be the saviour, but over time, the requirements for AA were dropped by MS. It's still hit and miss if PS3 games have AA.

Surely one of the points of having eSRAM is that you can get 'free' AA from it. Someone has fucked up if Forza 5 doesn't have it. Either the hardware has some serious issues, or Turn10 have some pretty weird priorities for how they use the hardware.
 

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How much better can you make it?

A bigger difference in textures and effects is pretty obvious when I play that vid on my TV, Forza 4 just looks plain on the big screen hard to tell a difference in models but with the exceptoin of what happens in the interior how much smoother can the outside look.

Games like Forza are going to be harder to show off the graphical goodness than say if Sony did a motorstorm update on PS4.

MS would have a more impressive game if they could take some of those cars into a muddy destruction derby rally

Maybe your eyes are just better than mine. If I didn't know they were different games I probably couldn't immediately pick out much (based on the video). Only thing I saw in one was lens flare. Then again Youtube videos suck for this kind of thing. Its also a racing game where things are moving really fast. Granted I've never played Forza and I don't like racing games outside of stuff like Mario Kart. :)
 

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This really is reaching a bit far. Builds will get better, but KI is a 720p game nonetheless and won't gain many graphics updates from now till November.



What didn't you like about my writeup based on my experience with the Xbox One? If it's just the fact that I got a bad impression out of the event, you'll have to learn to deal with that.

Your opinion is valid, and noted. I will be getting an XBOX One, but wont be spending money to games that are half assed. With that said, these games are showing unfinished builds, so I will wait to pass judgement.
 

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This really is reaching a bit far. Builds will get better, but KI is a 720p game nonetheless and won't gain many graphics updates from now till November.



What didn't you like about my writeup based on my experience with the Xbox One? If it's just the fact that I got a bad impression out of the event, you'll have to learn to deal with that.

It's not what was said. It's who said it. But you've been told this already many times.

If someone with a post history of trolling the PS4 while praising the Xbox One made an impressions thread that was negative of the PS4, they'd be treated the same way.

Not sure how long the thread would last though.
 

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And Bish has told people the opposite quite a few times and to stop whining. Can you call something biased if it is so because it universally goes against the wants of the majority? MS has fucked up royally and even though they have 180'd, they still continue to do idiotic things and NeoGAF has called them out every step of the way, the same way they did when Sony fucked up with PS3. Until MS shows otherwise, they will continue to be the target of ire from numerous people. If people can't handle the heat, stay out of the damn kitchen.
Rinse and repeat next gen.
 
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