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Xbox Wants To Provide A 'Steady Flow Of Great Games' Moving Forward
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BbMajor7th
Member
Another major issue for XBOX Studios is the perception of quality. Ninty and PS generally push out polished products, which even at their lowest ebb will still net a 75 MC, most will be mid-80s to mid-90s. Projects like Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, MCC and Bleeding Edge being barebones, buggy or simply unfinished have gone some way to damaging the brand, I think. They might only wind up as GP fodder, but building a quantity over quality reputation for the service probably isn't in their best interest. Hype is good - look at Elden Ring - but it'll be harder to manufacture that if they keep pushing to stuff that comes with the kind of caveats that deflate the hype.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Exactly. There's so many games coming out that even if you don't completely rely on sales (gamepass) you still need to make an impression. Get the headlines. Get nominated for awards. etc. Games like Sea of Thieves turned around but with their model of making it better over time, just makes their games eligible for best on-going game. There's too many games to expect gamers to stick around and be there when something is eventually great later.
Riky
$MSFT
Hilarious when they just won publisher of the year with the highest Metacritic ever
Its always interesting to see which Microsoft news tend to get traction. This was major news, but I digress...Hilarious when they just won publisher of the year with the highest Metacritic ever
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hilarious when they just won publisher of the year with the highest Metacritic ever
As someone earlier said, "Talk is cheap", when we have statistical numbers from 2021.
kingfey
Banned
I guess bethesda, Obsidian and ninja theory become a turd, because MS owns them now right?
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Well they did take out games MS published that didn't score well and they added a game from 2020 so . . .Hilarious when they just won publisher of the year with the highest Metacritic ever
The Gunk got a 70, published by xbox game studios
Space Jam A New Legacy got a 53, published by xbox game studios.
Flight Sim, came out in 2020 but a console port counts towards 2021 for some reason.
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DaGwaphics
Member
Quite a difference between a big release every quarter and one every month. Not interchangeable at all, IMO.
GP isn't just the first-party output though, so it all depends on what third-parties are bringing as well. If major releases are too sparse you risk losing subs for periods of time in-between releases, which is not ideal.
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Riky
$MSFT
Thunderful and Digital Eclipse published those games, FS was new to console, it was also the GOTy edition with weather changes etc.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
with xbox game studios. It's even on their metacritic descriptions.
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Riky
$MSFT
Just go the Xbox store page for the details.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Neither the Wiki, or official page on Xbox.com mention that.
PS while we're at it, MS Studios also didn't publish Crossfire X, for anyone who keeps wanting to use that as a trump card
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
So Metacritic can't be trusted.Neither the Wiki, or official page on Xbox.com mention that.
PS while we're at it, MS Studios also didn't publish Crossfire X, for anyone who keeps wanting to use that as a trump card
Flight Sim should still be considered for the year it originally came out.
coffinbirth
Member
"For gamers like us, it is the end result that matters: where we can play a game and where we can't."
That's what I was referring to, as all three of those games are coming to pc. It was sarcasm, so sorry as I know that tends not to translate in this format.
Not sure what you are talking about in regards to "MS wouldn't be blocking any game for PC"... I wasn't saying anything remotely like that, as this is about console exclusivity, and Microsoft is obviously all in on spreading Game Pass to as many platforms that would have them.
If Microsoft is paying to have a console exclusive title(in perpetuity) the distinction between 1st, 2nd and 3rd party is irrelevant, especially to the end user, as you stated...my point is would Microsoft even bother paying for console exclusivity going forward if it's not tied to Game Pass? Seems unlikely at this point. My comment about 2nd party is if Microsoft were to acquire a console exclusive title and publish it across Xbox, PC and Xcloud, the distinction between 1st-3rd party is extra blurred if that contract actually funds at least partial development costs paired with Microsofts tendency to allow devs to retain IP rights.
I know what these terms mean in the traditional sense, this is more about the evolution of those models and I suspect there is already announced and/or released Game Pass titles that have interesting contractual terms.
But your 'receipts' are flat out wrong.
Sucker Punch has said multiple times that they'd been on Ghost of Tsushima for six years. Of course, not all of it in full production, but they were working it as a concept in parallel with Prophecy.
Also, Barlog states that Sony Santa Monica were working on BOTH Internal 7 and God of War in 2013, and that by Q1 2014, it was their sole project after Internal-7 got canceled.
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Sega Orphan
Banned
Because of the long development cycle of games nowadays, and MS honouring existing contracts prior to acquisition, it takes a long time to turn the ship.
The average game takes 4 or so years now to develop.
Since acquisition we have only had the following games released.
Double Fine with Psychonauts 2. MS could have easily binned the PS4 version, but didn't.
InXile with Wastlands.
Playground with Forza Horizon 4 and 5.
Arkane with Deathloop on PS5. Again, MS could have paid out Sony but chose to honour the contract, and like DF and Inxile it was the right thing to do.
Ninja Theory with Bleeding Edge
This will change, and when it does its going to be awesome to be an xbox player.
With Activision MS has 29 studios working on xbox and PC games. A number of them have multiple teams and are working on multiple projects such as Obsidian and PlayGround. So let's say they have 35 teams.
An average 4 years development time per game and we have between 8 and 9 games per year dropping.
The average game takes 4 or so years now to develop.
Since acquisition we have only had the following games released.
Double Fine with Psychonauts 2. MS could have easily binned the PS4 version, but didn't.
InXile with Wastlands.
Playground with Forza Horizon 4 and 5.
Arkane with Deathloop on PS5. Again, MS could have paid out Sony but chose to honour the contract, and like DF and Inxile it was the right thing to do.
Ninja Theory with Bleeding Edge
This will change, and when it does its going to be awesome to be an xbox player.
With Activision MS has 29 studios working on xbox and PC games. A number of them have multiple teams and are working on multiple projects such as Obsidian and PlayGround. So let's say they have 35 teams.
An average 4 years development time per game and we have between 8 and 9 games per year dropping.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Thats a shame you didnt like project Adam, While I agree it was nothing special, the effects and image quality were excellent and the story was good enough to enjoy.
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remember_spinal
Banned
I don’t do “good enough”
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Thats a shame for you, but like the uncharted movie, project Adam is movie people enjoy.
Dr Bass
Member
You know, you people who keep touting this might want to look a bit deeper into that. The "certain contingent" (as usual) keeps referring to this but have you ... looked into it at all? If you had I would be embarrassed to quote this as any such argument. Here is why:Hilarious when they just won publisher of the year with the highest Metacritic ever
Metacritic left out MS published games on this chart that scored poorly. If they had included those games (like they should have?) they wouldn't been anywhere near winning. And then the games they did include ... some of them they had no part in even making. Psychonauts 2? I mean come on, that is not an "Xbox game." The games were Forza, Halo, Flight Sim, Psychonauts 2, and Age of Empires. Ok so .... MS can buy up publishers games already well into production, not include games that score poorly, and all of a sudden they are Metacritic "publisher of the year." On top of that it's 10 scores with "five distinct titles," so ... it's just the five games I mentioned. None if makes any sense if you just look at it..
And if people want to doubt this just look at this:
Why were "The Gunk" and "Space Jam" left off the scoring list of titles? Because then they would have also had 80-81 or around there? Not a record breaking year?
Again this group of people continues to be freakin' weird. Does any one of you even play games? I've never seen a single person in this group actually talk about a game they are playing that they like except for maybe one person (keeping things nameless!) But you'll "brag" about a Metacritic story that doesn't even hold up to 30 seconds of scrutiny. Dunno what to say to all that except for a giant double-u-tee-eff.
Again, I don' give a
about any of this because I play all of these games and have my own opinions on them (and if you don't believe me, go read the review I left for Horizon FW in the official thread), but I do care about actual facts and such. And thus far I have not seen an explanation why it's ok for the so called "publisher of the year" to, at minimum, include scores for all the games they publish in their yearly average? I'd love a good answer for that one.
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kingfey
Banned
The Gunk is an action-adventure video game developed by Image & Form and published by Thunderful Publishing. The game was released on December 16, 2021 for Windows, Xbox One and Xbox Series X and Series S. Wikipedia
Initial release date: December 16, 2021
Engine: Unreal Engine 4
Mode: Single-player video game
Developers: Image & Form Games, Thunderful Development AB
Publishers: Thunderful Group, Thunderful Publishing
Platforms: Xbox Series X and Series S, Microsoft Windows, Xbox One
Genres: Action game, Action-adventure game,
Space jam was done by Digital Eclipse. MS published, but had nothing to do with the game.
Please stop spreading fake information.
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Riky
$MSFT
You know, you people who keep touting this might want to look a bit deeper into that. The "certain contingent" (as usual) keeps referring to this but have you ... looked into it at all? If you had I would be embarrassed to quote this as any such argument. Here is why:
Metacritic left out MS published games on this chart that scored poorly. If they had included those games (like they should have?) they wouldn't been anywhere near winning. And then the games they did include ... some of them they had no part in even making. Psychonauts 2? I mean come on, that is not an "Xbox game." The games were Forza, Halo, Flight Sim, Psychonauts 2, and Age of Empires. Ok so .... MS can buy up publishers games already well into production, not include games that score poorly, and all of a sudden they are Metacritic "publisher of the year." On top of that it's 10 scores with "five distinct titles," so ... it's just the five games I mentioned. None if makes any sense if you just look at it..
And if people want to doubt this just look at this:
Why were "The Gunk" and "Space Jam" left off the scoring list of titles? Because then they would have also had 80-81 or around there? Not a record breaking year?
Again this group of people continues to be freakin' weird. Does any one of you even play games? I've never seen a single person in this group actually talk about a game they are playing that they like except for maybe one person (keeping things nameless!) But you'll "brag" about a Metacritic story that doesn't even hold up to 30 seconds of scrutiny. Dunno what to say to all that except for a giant double-u-tee-eff.
Again, I don' give a
I'd love a good answer for that one.
Asks people to look into it, makes false claims without looking into it.
Dr Bass
cause quoting isn't working on my phoneJust a heads up that The Gunk was actually published by Thunderful Games.
Space Jam was published by Digital Eclipse.
Metacritic has some bad data on that front. It's actually happened before.
Sony Interactive Entertainment
Read what Sony Interactive Entertainment had to say at Metacritic.com - Page 2
www.metacritic.com
Tetris Effect according to Metacritic is a SIE published game which no other source seems to agree with. Also Ticket to Ride is an SIE game...
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If only there were websites that aggregated critical reception to Microsoft's recent games that could give some clue about their level of quality.
Hmm
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Gunk wasn't published by XGS, so it should not be included.You know, you people who keep touting this might want to look a bit deeper into that. The "certain contingent" (as usual) keeps referring to this but have you ... looked into it at all? If you had I would be embarrassed to quote this as any such argument. Here is why:
Metacritic left out MS published games on this chart that scored poorly. If they had included those games (like they should have?) they wouldn't been anywhere near winning. And then the games they did include ... some of them they had no part in even making. Psychonauts 2? I mean come on, that is not an "Xbox game." The games were Forza, Halo, Flight Sim, Psychonauts 2, and Age of Empires. Ok so .... MS can buy up publishers games already well into production, not include games that score poorly, and all of a sudden they are Metacritic "publisher of the year." On top of that it's 10 scores with "five distinct titles," so ... it's just the five games I mentioned. None if makes any sense if you just look at it..
And if people want to doubt this just look at this:
Why were "The Gunk" and "Space Jam" left off the scoring list of titles? Because then they would have also had 80-81 or around there? Not a record breaking year?
Again this group of people continues to be freakin' weird. Does any one of you even play games? I've never seen a single person in this group actually talk about a game they are playing that they like except for maybe one person (keeping things nameless!) But you'll "brag" about a Metacritic story that doesn't even hold up to 30 seconds of scrutiny. Dunno what to say to all that except for a giant double-u-tee-eff.
Again, I don' give a
I'd love a good answer for that one.
Agreed with Psychonauts 2, but because of the technical reasons how the games are counted, it will be a part of this calculation. Similarly, Deathloop will likely be a part of that calculation for XGS Games in 2022. It's just weird. It'll be like if Destiny 2 Witch Queen is a part of the scores for PlayStation Studios.
I understand why they would include those scores (the technicality behind it), but it also kinda defeats the purpose of the overall score because it doesn't tell the real story.
HYDE
Banned
It's nice to want things
Xbox Wants To Provide A 'Steady Flow Of Great Games' Moving Forward…I am sure they do and have been wanting that for a few whiles.
You're already getting rightly cooked for misinformation about The Gunk and Space Jam.
Imagine arguing that Microsoft's acquisition had no hand in Psychonauts 2 when the developer credits additional Microsoft funding for helping to flesh out the game.
Tim Schafer Discusses How Microsoft's Backing Helped Improve Psychonauts 2 | Op Attack
Psychonauts 2 has definitely been improved with the help of Microsoft. Double Fine got more time to polish the game.
opattack.com
Of course you agree with Psychonauts 2, even though it's fairly well known what MS added to the final game. That's par for the course with your takes here.
This thread is about the ability of Microsoft studios to keep pumping out quality games at a regular cadence. Whether or not the games were acquired mid or late development isnt material. Microsoft Games is the publisher, and a Microsoft Games studio delivered a quality final product. And thanks to MS policy of non-interference, there's every possibility that these studios will continue to deliver quality titles. End of story.
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Dr Bass
Member
If XGS didn't publish the Gunk, or Space Jam, why is it clearly listed on the link I included as being published by them? That seems strange. I'm using Metacritic's own site.
Including again ..."Xbox Game Studios Scores." Now if I am wrong there, my bad. But I was looking at their listing on their site and thought wtf.
Doesn't matter to me anyway, like I said, I play everything everywhere. It's just such an odd thing to brag about when it's like ... ok these people are not even seemingly playing the games. I know I am. At least Halo, Flight Sim and Psychonauts 2. Tried Forza and it's not my thing and I don't do PC anymore for AoE.
MadPanda
Banned
I hope they first get 343i to have a steady flow of great seasonal content, then we can talk about Xbox as a whole.
Back in 2017/18 when they were acquiring independent studios I didn't think it would take them so much to release some games. I know games can't be made overnight but it's taken too long. It still doesn't feel like Microsoft has 30+ studios. So far it's been just a number. One day that will change but the wait is difficult.
Back in 2017/18 when they were acquiring independent studios I didn't think it would take them so much to release some games. I know games can't be made overnight but it's taken too long. It still doesn't feel like Microsoft has 30+ studios. So far it's been just a number. One day that will change but the wait is difficult.
I am interested to know if quality of games will suffer due to subscription model as they want "steady" flow. But with 30 studio, they should have 5-6 games every year from their studio if followed normal development schedule . Anything more than that, then quality will start going down
Watched that Kevin Hart special?
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
I want the opposite. No detail, no spoilers. Announce the title, tell us the style, few screenshots and then let us play it.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Doesn't make any sense for them to let quality slide. They have gone all in on Gamepass. If it becomes known as the place to play bad games people will go elsewhere and all their investment will be for nothing.
That's without getting into that not every Xbox player has gamepass and that they sell the games separately.
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Nobody wants bad quality games but subscription model is tough to maintain quality.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Lucky they bought 30 studios who have been cranking out well reviewed games for years then.
Personally would only use the 30 studio number once the Activision Blizzard deal completes.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Highest rated publisher of 2021, that one? The one that set a record on metacritic?
I think they'll be fine.
2022 Game Publisher Rankings: #1: Microsoft (Xbox Game Studios)
Previous year's rank: 6 Average Metascore for 2021 releases: 87.4 10 scored products (5 distinct titles): 100% good, 0% bad "Great" games: 3 Total points: 346.0 Metacritic's #1 Publisher of the Year. It is very rare for a publisher to average above...
www.metacritic.com
What is this paragraph?
When I could get 3 years of Gamepass for approx $180, popping up to sub once every few months would have felt like I was cheating myself of great gaming time.
I suppose that strategy works if you’re only about fIrst party AAA games and can stomach the inconvenience, but there’s a great array of excellent content that shows up pretty much every month.
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Jason Connell, creative and art director for Ghost of Tsushima, on how the studio left Seattle behind for Tsushima island
Ghost Of Tsushima's Combat Took Six Years To Perfect
Ghost of Tsushima's combat took six years to make.
screenrant.com
"Sucker Punch's co-founder, Brian Fleming, was asked what feature of Ghost of Tsushima was the most difficult to implement. Fleming answered that it was easily the combat, because it took nonstop work for six years to get it righ"
Sorry, but it took six years, you are just wrong here.
Some of their studios may to that, but not all, especially when it comes with a new ip. Pixelopus? Media Molecule? Bend? Ok there is Insomniac, and there is a rest of them...
ZywyPL
Banned
I expect that from 2023 they'll be able to provide a big 1st party game at least every quarter. If not then something went wrong. They have so many projects in the making for quite some time, so IMO 2023 seems aboutv right for those games to start being released. Maybe Starfield followed by FM8 will be the start of that constant flow of games, we'll see.
Zeroing
Banned
I understand people's excitement from going from a few studios for quite some years to 300000* gaming studios.
*Global projections for 2023 - MS buys everything.
But now being serious, it is not easy to manage so many studios and projects. MS in the past shown more than once they always talk and underdeliver. I am a pessimist by nature so I do not expect much but I am willing to be surprised.
*Global projections for 2023 - MS buys everything.
But now being serious, it is not easy to manage so many studios and projects. MS in the past shown more than once they always talk and underdeliver. I am a pessimist by nature so I do not expect much but I am willing to be surprised.
Papacheeks
Banned
So what your saying is buying a publisher like Activision absolves them from having to actually manage studios internally well to produce games? Because outside of already established studios within Bethesda/Zenimax, studios like Ninja Theory, Double fine who manage themselves for the most part Microsoft seems to have an issue with the very studios they themselves cultivated.
We are not worried about Todd Howards teams, or Hellbalde team, or Tim Shaefer's team at Double fine. We are not worried about Infinity ward, Toys4Bob, Vicarious Visions. We are worried about RARE, Inititiave, Undeadlabs, 343i, coalition And those to me are your pillar studios. The only one thats actually delivered games without much issue is Coalition, Playground games.
But with Coalition kind of making gears meh in terms of direction of where to take it, I kind of dont care about gears? I would care about a new IP which I hear they are making if smaller scale project.
I think the aggravation from people like myself towards Microsoft is they literally are trying to buy their way to success. And currently its not really working. Or the results are not great. Buying already established developers/publisher takes no fucking effort. Sony is no different in buying Bungie, difference is Sony wants to use them for their own internal games to help with tools for multiplayer.
I don't hear or see any of the studios MS has bought that are taking on other roles within the company. Coalition and Playground are the only ones I've heard who have helped out on other projects within other studios for Xbox like 343.
Netflix has a similar issue.
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