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Xbox Wants To Provide A 'Steady Flow Of Great Games' Moving Forward

Lognor

Member
Third party or not, Forspoken is a console exclusive, just like Starfield or Redfall would be.

The distinction between first-party and third-party would mostly be from a business POV. For gamers like us, it is the end result that matters: where we can play a game and where we can't.
Redfall and Starfield are first party, not third party. Sony does not own SE. Forspoken is third party. Sony has very little to do with that title (and it shows - it looks awful).
 

Lognor

Member
Millions of people have tried it with their gamepass subscription. So what? Has it resulted in hitting the targets they wanted for gamepass? Weren't all of you thinking you'd be up to 30 million last year? What happened?
We all thinking that? All of us sales experts? Who gives a shit what we were thinking? We are often wrong.

What matters is what MICROSOFT expects. And subscription numbers have hit their expectations. Don't put any stock at all in what us experts here think. It's meaningless.
 

Iced Arcade

Member
Makes sense, they have a monster list of studios now. they didn't go on a massive spending spree for nothing.
 
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kingfey

Banned
How do you know this? Wasn't there some big exploit too that gave people 3 years for next to nothing?
Only the minority who are using forums, and know the trick used it. Also, alot of gamers have no clue about that trick.

MS would close that loop fast, if alot of people were to abuse it. The requirement of that loop is high, as you have to have fresh gamepass account, and $180 upfront. Not alot of gamepass users would spend that much money.
4 months cooldown if you have gamepass, and have to prepare $180 upfront for 3 years. not alot of people will take that deal.
 
Almost there 😄
request crossover GIF
 

Three

Member
Of course it's possible, I did the math.
Your maths.



Not everything applies to the real world because you used numbers and "it's maths". Are you Dealer gaming by any chance?

Your maths ignores the reality that MS wouldn't and needn't do that just for neogaf bragging rights. They can sustain growth without increasing operating cost like that. That's even ignoring whether they could pull off the management needs and not rely on/push GaaS content at all but just have AAA releases every month.
 
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Your maths.



Not everything applies to the real world because you used numbers and "it's maths". Are you Dealer gaming by any chance?

Your maths ignores the reality that MS wouldn't and needn't do that just for neogaf bragging rights. They can sustain growth without increasing operating cost like that. That's even ignoring whether they could pull off the management needs and not rely on/push GaaS content at all but just have AAA releases every month.
Maths don't lie, it's entirely possible. Whether Microsoft does it is a different story. As said previously, I don't think they will.
 

Three

Member
Maths don't lie, it's entirely possible. Whether Microsoft does it is a different story. As said previously, I don't think they will.
it's entirely possible for Sony and MS to give away millions of PS5s and Series X for free instead of selling them. I can do the Math. Possible doesn't make it realistic or logical though.
 
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I want the opposite. No detail, no spoilers. Announce the title, tell us the style, few screenshots and then let us play it.

They can do both I think; avoid spoilers obvious but revealing more about game mechanics and the loop would be useful, certain aspects of the lore which won't spoil the plot, showing some of that off in gameplay footage. screenshots etc. And then maybe a demo with misleading story/plot elements so that the actual story isn't spoiled (think like how Marvel does some of their film trailers...or used to, anyway).
 

adamsapple

Gold Member
This thread has been a fucking roller coaster of bizarre lol.

Phil wants Xbox to reach a point where they have a steady stream of games coming in and acknowledges they didn't have any big game in Q1.

Rather than approving it people are going out of their way to shit on it lol.

Isn't that what everyone wants, more games so it doesn't feel like Xbox only keeps big game for Q4 of a year ?
 

DaGwaphics

Gold Member
I don't know maybe you missed the whole wishful thinking last year where a big release every month was being talked about or my comment in this thread that the 1 AAA a month has now turned to 1 AAA per quarter yet that is still not happening even now and I doubt will ever happen seeing as people are not unsubscribing without it.

I've never seen anything from MS other than the mention of a big release per quarter, I've never read anything from them that even hinted a big game from them every month. With MS's size, I don't see how a big release doesn't happen at least once per quarter once the timing gets ironed out. They just have too many studios to get less results than that. That only leaves them with 4 slots to fill and you have to figure that Activision will fill at least one of those every year, with another filled by something from Bethesda (ID, Machine Games, Bethesda, etc.).
 

CatLady

Plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Not really: what you're talking about is a measure of critical reception for publishing over one year, what I'm talking about it a more general perception among audiences measured over a longer time. Like it or not, XGS has supported a lot of middling titles over the last few years and between The Gunk which came out in December and Crossfire X which came out in February, there's little sign this is set to change. It doesn't mean that they don't put out great games, it just that there's no guarantee that something published by them will be good - there's no 'seal of quality' reputation you get with other publishers.



In the last three months they published two games that received a 67 and 40 on Metacritic respectively, there's nothing bad faith about it.



Y'all clinging to that one award pretty hard, but one swallow does not a summer make.

You know it's funny the blue troll army use to accuse the green rats of having some secret Xbox Discord where they would plot against Mother Sony, I'm starting to think there's really a secret Sony Army Discord since so many of you keep spouting the same erroneous bullshit about low-scoring games supposedly published by XGS weren't counted against them for Publisher of Year.

They weren't counted against Xbox because XGS DID NOT PUBLISH THEM!!
Crossfire X - Published by Smilegate
The Gunk - Published by Thunderfall Publishing
Space Jam - Published by Digital Eclipse Software

Also often repeated is how FS 2020 shouldn't be included since it was on PC in 2020. It seems none of you trolls have any issue with Ghost of Tushima and Death Stranding PS5 upgrade/DC being counted to pump up Sony's score even though both of those games were originally released prior to 2021. It's like you all got together to keep trolling the same incorrect information to try to downplay XGS.
 

kingfey

Banned
You know it's funny the blue troll army use to accuse the green rats of having some secret Xbox Discord where they would plot against Mother Sony, I'm starting to think there's really a secret Sony Army Discord since so many of you keep spouting the same erroneous bullshit about low-scoring games supposedly published by XGS weren't counted against them for Publisher of Year.

They weren't counted against Xbox because XGS DID NOT PUBLISH THEM!!
Crossfire X - Published by Smilegate
The Gunk - Published by Thunderfall Publishing
Space Jam - Published by Digital Eclipse Software

Also often repeated is how FS 2020 shouldn't be included since it was on PC in 2020. It seems none of you trolls have any issue with Ghost of Tushima and Death Stranding PS5 upgrade/DC being counted to pump up Sony's score even though both of those games were originally released prior to 2021. It's like you all got together to keep trolling the same incorrect information to try to downplay XGS.
If metacritic left those games on purpose, then the entire metacritic is useless. And it's not worth anything.

Its either metacritic judgment is good, and should be used to see the good games. Or the metacritic judgment is bad, which means all those 90+ metacritic are useless.
 

Three

Member
I've never seen anything from MS other than the mention of a big release per quarter, I've never read anything from them that even hinted a big game from them every month. With MS's size, I don't see how a big release doesn't happen at least once per quarter once the timing gets ironed out. They just have too many studios to get less results than that. That only leaves them with 4 slots to fill and you have to figure that Activision will fill at least one of those every year, with another filled by something from Bethesda (ID, Machine Games, Bethesda, etc.).
I'm not talking about MS mentioning a AAA per month or anything I'm talking about MS fans pushing these silly ideas. I even quoted them for you so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Even per quarter. What AAA studios would pump out a game every quarter to maintain that output. You can maybe maintain it for 2 years if you line them up and are able to do it without delays in release. CoD isn't going to move to spring but MS doesn't have studios pumping out games in short 2-3 year spans. A lot of their AAA studios are pumping out GaaS content for past games and taking upwards of 6-7 yrs before even seeing the need for another release. That's the business model. I mean you are seeing that even with AAA powerhouses like Rockstar. There is a contraction of AAA releases and people are expecting something to change when they are paying a subscription because... because MS doesn't have enough growth? Because people are unsubscribing? It's wishful thinking and idealism. The reality is that there are draughts like the one you're experiencing now on xbox and the AAA games will aim for Christmas as always.
 
This is after they just got publisher of the year with the highest average ever.
The meltdowns will be immense starting later this year as the avalanche starts to hit home.
Yeah, completely agree! They're already at the top and the big boss himself says they want to up their game! Phil mean business! and they will get the recognition they deserve!
 
So when the hell should i buy my XsX? Ive been waiting for a game/s to tip me over the edge but at this point i just dont think its worth it. Will reasses closer to Dec...
 

Hezekiah

Member
It's strange because MS has lurched from extreme to the other.

Back in 2020 they were showing off games that probably won't arrive until 2025 like Perfect Dark and Fable.

But now you have Redfall and Starfield coming in the next few months and we've seen basically nothing. I'm guessing the former will be delayed.
 

IntentionalPun

Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
It's strange because MS has lurched from extreme to the other.

Back in 2020 they were showing off games that probably won't arrive until 2025 like Perfect Dark and Fable.

But now you have Redfall and Starfield coming in the next few months and we've seen basically nothing. I'm guessing the former will be delayed.
Pretty sure that's just Bethesda being Bethesda.. and continuing to be allowed to "be Bethesda" under the XBox umbrella.

Their publishing arm, their marketing department, their decision makers, etc. are all in tact.

Todd Howard has always been the type to wait a long time to show actual games off.
 
How do you know this? Wasn't there some big exploit too that gave people 3 years for next to nothing?
What in the fuck do you know that everyone else doesn't? Holy fucking shit. How much is Sony paying you? All you're doing is assuming that Microsoft isn't making money and yet here they are buying multi-billion-dollar companies. Something they're doing is working, it's clear because we're not seeing the same shit out of the majestic Sony.

There's a reason Sony is trying to build a gamepass like service as well as release their games on PC. It's because Microsoft has been successful doing so. Thankfully Sony far exceeds your levels of intelligence as the offensive arguments your having now will be your defensive measures later. Better take notes and get your fuckin' practice in.
 
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You know it's funny the blue troll army use to accuse the green rats of having some secret Xbox Discord where they would plot against Mother Sony, I'm starting to think there's really a secret Sony Army Discord since so many of you keep spouting the same erroneous bullshit about low-scoring games supposedly published by XGS weren't counted against them for Publisher of Year.

They weren't counted against Xbox because XGS DID NOT PUBLISH THEM!!
Crossfire X - Published by Smilegate
The Gunk - Published by Thunderfall Publishing
Space Jam - Published by Digital Eclipse Software

Also often repeated is how FS 2020 shouldn't be included since it was on PC in 2020. It seems none of you trolls have any issue with Ghost of Tushima and Death Stranding PS5 upgrade/DC being counted to pump up Sony's score even though both of those games were originally released prior to 2021. It's like you all got together to keep trolling the same incorrect information to try to downplay XGS.
There's really no other explanation for it other than that. Obviously they didn't just coincidentally all march in here and repeat the same FUD by happenstance.

Their gripe regarding Flight Sim would hold more weight had they not talked nonstop the last year about how great Demon Souls is as a PS5 exclusive... Despite it being released over a decade ago.

It's entertaining and frustrating at the same time. Its frustratingbecause I like to see comparisons, and learn about which product might be better suited for this or for that, but that can't be done here. It's entertaining because the very reason it can't be done here is because there's a sizable group of people here who argue in bad faith, hype only specific features while downplaying others, concern troll, and place varying importance on metrics based on whether it supports their narrative or not. While I suppose this group could largely consist of fans from any gaming company. It just so happens that here, they're Sony fans. It's all good for me though seeing as the discussion I'm missing out on is replaced with entertainment via watching them desperately trying to move goalposts. I know... It's a weird vice I never could've imagined I'd have, yet here we are.
 
What in the fuck do you know that everyone else doesn't? Holy fucking shit. How much is Sony paying you? All you're doing is assuming that Microsoft isn't making money and yet here they are buying multi-billion-dollar companies. Something they're doing is working, it's clear because we're not seeing the same shit out of the majestic Sony.

There's a reason Sony is trying to build a gamepass like service as well as release their games on PC. It's because Microsoft has been successful doing so. Thankfully Sony far exceeds your levels of intelligence as the offensive arguments your having now will be your defensive measures later. Better take notes and get your fuckin' practice in.
We all see it, and we all know it. Its blantantly obvious to basically anyone you'd think, but that's part of the charm about this place. It often operates under the false assumption that Sony is an uncorruptable behemoth of a company that has no equal on earth. The belief that the console manufacturer that sells more consoles month after month is really just a niche product, and that the console manufacturer that's market cap is ten times larger does nothing but lose money.

But unfortunately you're not really supposed to say anything about it. It gets them riled up something fierce if you do.
 

kingfey

Banned
What in the fuck do you know that everyone else doesn't? Holy fucking shit. How much is Sony paying you? All you're doing is assuming that Microsoft isn't making money and yet here they are buying multi-billion-dollar companies. Something they're doing is working, it's clear because we're not seeing the same shit out of the majestic Sony.

There's a reason Sony is trying to build a gamepass like service as well as release their games on PC. It's because Microsoft has been successful doing so. Thankfully Sony far exceeds your levels of intelligence as the offensive arguments your having now will be your defensive measures later. Better take notes and get your fuckin' practice in.
There are 2 talking points right now.
MS have no idea what they are doing. And gamepass is losing money for MS.

I thought twitter was crazy, but at this point, some of those symptoms is coming here.
 

Kagey K

Member
There are 2 talking points right now.
MS have no idea what they are doing. And gamepass is losing money for MS.

I thought twitter was crazy, but at this point, some of those symptoms is coming here.
Yeah when it's getting to the point people at the other asylum seem sane, it's a bad sign.

I haven't posted here much recently because the negativity is getting to be a bit much. Nobody can enjoy anything, everyone just wants to shit on everything.

Not a lot of discussion to be had lately.
 

kingfey

Banned
Yeah when it's getting to the point people at the other asylum seem sane, it's a bad sign.

I haven't posted here much recently because the negativity is getting to be a bit much. Nobody can enjoy anything, everyone just wants to shit on everything.

Not a lot of discussion to be had lately.
People will waste their energy here, if they keep arguing pointless stuff.

MS already spent $76b. There is no stopping for their train.
After this gen, they will have insane line up, and people will forget their lack of games.

2020 was no games. 2021 e3 changed alot of people's mind. This e3 and next e3 should change other people's mind too.
Especially, when all activision/Blizzard games are all on gamepass.
 
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ryzen1

Member
1$ is also first time users.
Actually I did this multiple times with the same account.
I'm not using GP consistently. But everytime a game comes out I want to play, I get the 1€ offer and let the subscription expire, till I get another 1€ offer :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 

kingfey

Banned
Actually I did this multiple times with the same account.
I'm not using GP consistently. But everytime a game comes out I want to play, I get the 1€ offer and let the subscription expire, till I get another 1€ offer :messenger_grinning_sweat:
I used to do that before. But, would have to wait a while for it to be back.
 
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