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Xbox Wants To Provide A 'Steady Flow Of Great Games' Moving Forward

Fredrik

Gold Member
After looking at the latest nothingburger Starfield video it’s clear that Microsoft has dropped the ball. They were on fire at the second half of last year, but here I am just like Q1-Q2 last year, grumpy yet again, wondering where the games are. There is no consistency.
 

Kagey K

Member
After looking at the latest nothingburger Starfield video it’s clear that Microsoft has dropped the ball. They were on fire at the second half of last year, but here I am just like Q1-Q2 last year, grumpy yet again, wondering where the games are. There is no consistency.
That video was only meant to be seen if you signed up to thier constellation fan page.

Getting mad at that is like getting mad at a McDonald's employee video when you don't work there and expected free burgers.
 
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Fredrik

Gold Member
That video was only meant to be seen if you signed up to thier constellation fan page.

Getting mad at that is like getting mad at a McDonald's employee video when you don't work there and expected free burgers.
I signed up long ago and didn’t see the video and now it was posted as news so I was obviously excited to see new content, like many others it seems. MS can’t keep doing what they’re currently doing all the way til Starfield. Last year they at least had The Medium in Q1 and Gears Tactics in Q2 while having us wait for The Ascent and Flight sim in the summer. What do they have this year? All I hear is wait for E3.
 
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Kagey K

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I signed up long ago and didn’t see the video and now it was posted as news so I was obviously excited to see new content, like many others it seems. MS can’t keep doing what they’re currently doing all the way til Starfield. Last year they at least had The Medium in Q1 and Gears Tactics in Q2 while having us wait for The Ascent and Flight sim in the summer. What do they have this year? All I hear is wait for E3.

The Ascent wasn't published by MS, neither was the Medium.

People need to stop equating "console exclusives" as those are games from them.

I guess Tunic tomorrow (or out already in some parts), if that's how we are classifying them.
 
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Fredrik

Gold Member
The Ascent wasn't published by MS, neither was the Medium.

People need to stop equating "console exclusives" as those are games from them.

I guess Tunic tomorrow, if that's how we are classifying them.
Doesn’t matter, it was still something that got people hyped. I liked the Tunic demo but it’s not enough. MS need to start spreading out their games over the whole year, right now I’m just glad I have other platforms too.
 

Hobbygaming

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Forspoken is a console ex at least 24 months after release date, no forever like Starfield...

I get your point but Forspoken being 2 years exclusive might as well be counted as a full exclusive. 2 freaking years is a long time and it's not guaranteed to be ported after that
 

Kagey K

Member
Doesn’t matter, it was still something that got people hyped. I liked the Tunic demo but it’s not enough. MS need to start spreading out their games over the whole year, right now I’m just glad I have other platforms too.
I have too many games to play already. I don't think March could have handled another game.

But I'm sure since you only play platform exclusives the way they are doing it works well for you.

Sony in the spring MS in the fall.
 
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Hobbygaming

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Ms has about 20 devs which make "big" games, with an average dev time of 4yrs thats 5 big games a year, plus another 5 smaller games a year from other teams.

10 games a year is more then enough.

Also a lot of sonys content is timed 3rd party stuff, not the same as exclusive 1st party stuff.

Zenimax is a big deal for Xbox, Zenimax had there own E3 conferences and a lot of years they had the best show, all that content going only to Xbox ecosystem is a big deal, sony will have to continue to do 3rd party deals to keep up.
Both should have a lot of games, Sony has been quietly beefing up their existing studios. Naughty Dog is up to 580 developers now 🤯
 
People are just waiting for the ball to start rolling now. The pandemic has done its damage.

I get your point but Forspoken being 2 years exclusive might as well be counted as a full exclusive. 2 freaking years is a long time and it's not guaranteed to be ported after that
From what we've seen of it I don't think anybody is bothered about Forspoken being a 2 year (lol) timed exclusive for PS5.
 

Hobbygaming

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Wow.

They can release so many games now

How many last gen?

How many the gen before?

How much staff back then?

Staff numbers /=/ games released.

🤯
1 team can primarily work on the main project while the other team can start the concept and early work for the next project, it helps a lot having a bigger studio
 

Hobbygaming

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People are just waiting for the ball to start rolling now. The pandemic has done its damage.


From what we've seen of it I don't think anybody is bothered about Forspoken being a 2 year (lol) timed exclusive for PS5.
I've seen people on here and outside of this site change their tune on Forspoken after the last showing. There's a good number of others anticipating Forspoken as well, just check out the comments in the latest footage on YouTube
 
Both should have a lot of games, Sony has been quietly beefing up their existing studios. Naughty Dog is up to 580 developers now 🤯
Naughty Dog now actually has ~650 employees with ~70 open job positions. They will soon be a ~750-dev studio with 2-3 active projects in development at the same time + providing graphical support (and tech innovation) for the rest of the PlayStation Studios.
 
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Hobbygaming

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Naughty Dog now actually has ~650 employees with ~70 open job positions. They will soon be a ~750-dev studio with 2-3 active projects in development at the same time + providing graphical support (and tech innovation) for the rest of the PlayStation Studios.
Bruh I knew you were right but I had to go check and wow 650 devs with 70 available positions is incredible. I'm so excited for the future of ND 🥳
 

Hobbygaming

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Naughty Dog now actually has ~650 employees with ~70 open job positions. They will soon be a ~750-dev studio with 2-3 active projects in development at the same time + providing graphical support (and tech innovation) for the rest of the PlayStation Studios.
They're hiring super fast because the last time I checked recently, they were at 580 developers
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
I have too many games to play already. I don't think March could have handled another game.

But I'm sure since you only play platform exclusives the way they are doing it works well for you.

Sony in the spring MS in the fall.
I definitely play multiplats too but right now I still use my XSX less than PS5 since the later has received more big games lately and Elden Ring is played on PC.
 

MidGenRefresh

Gold Member
most people don’t give a crap about racing games


 

Zeroing

Gold Member
“Phil said” threads are always quite popular!
I feel like they've been saying this since the XB1 launch.
they had, and still barely nothing. We here have a different perception of what the reality out there is…

Most gamers simply don’t see any reason right now to invest on Xbox! Specially when comparing to what Nintendo and Sony have been doing for years…

If they Xbox continue like this it will be another generation wasted! It’s the “wait for e3” all over again!

I said this before, Xbox needs to deliver good games and keep doing so and still it will take a long time to change peoples opinion of the brand.
 

kingfey

Banned
Doesn’t matter, it was still something that got people hyped. I liked the Tunic demo but it’s not enough. MS need to start spreading out their games over the whole year, right now I’m just glad I have other platforms too.
The problem is, both companies are suffering from this issues, yet people here are only going after 1 company.

MS already had a game ready this April. It was delayed to December this year. And now war happened. So I doubt we will get that.

But people don't care about that news. All they see is Sony releasing their games now, and Xbox have nothing. So they will blame MS for the lack of games, despite them having nothing to do with the delays.


It was stalker 2 on April. Redfall on summer, FM8 around September, Scorn on October and starfield on November. That was their primary schedule.
 

Hezekiah

Member
Pretty sure that's just Bethesda being Bethesda.. and continuing to be allowed to "be Bethesda" under the XBox umbrella.

Their publishing arm, their marketing department, their decision makers, etc. are all in tact.

Todd Howard has always been the type to wait a long time to show actual games off.
Arkane were showing off Deathloop way in advance of release though, same with other games they have done.

I know this is the other studio, but Redfall is meant to be coming out in three months and we've barely seen anything outside of CGI. I'm guessing they don't have a massive amount of confidence in it.
 

Hezekiah

Member
There's a reason Sony is trying to build a gamepass like service as well as release their games on PC. It's because Microsoft has been successful doing so. Thankfully Sony far exceeds your levels of intelligence as the offensive arguments your having now will be your defensive measures later. Better take notes and get your fuckin' practice in.
I've seen this repeated numerous times, despite the fact that insiders are saying Spartacus is mainly going to be merging of PS Plus and Now.

You won't be seeing AAA games on it day one because Sony (and Nintendo) know that there is much more money to be made in selling these games full-price, and that demand for them is higher than ever.

After a few years when sales have tailed off, these games will be added to the Playstation Collection and released on PC, but Sony wont be chasing Microsoft in giving away access to their best games for a such a low price because it doesn't make financial sense for them to do so.
 

kingfey

Banned
Arkane were showing off Deathloop way in advance of release though, same with other games they have done.

I know this is the other studio, but Redfall is meant to be coming out in three months and we've barely seen anything outside of CGI. I'm guessing they don't have a massive amount of confidence in it.
Sony showcased deathloop, not arkane. Sony used the game on alot of their showcases, because of the marketing deal. MS doesnt need that much reaction.

Plus there is no sense for releasing the trailer now. ER has the spotlight. It wont mean shit, IF MS releases the trailer now. Once ER chattering dies, we will see the trailer.
 

Hezekiah

Member
Sony showcased deathloop, not arkane. Sony used the game on alot of their showcases, because of the marketing deal. MS doesnt need that much reaction.

Plus there is no sense for releasing the trailer now. ER has the spotlight. It wont mean shit, IF MS releases the trailer now. Once ER chattering dies, we will see the trailer.
Microsoft has no big first-party releases the first half of this year, and they don't need to market a AAA game three months before its release? Err...OK.
 

kingfey

Banned
Microsoft has no big first-party releases the first half of this year, and they don't need to market a AAA game three months before its release? Err...OK.
They had Stalker 2. It got delayed due to covid, and no the war might cancel that game.

By that logic, Sony didnt have any game in 2021, aside of mlb, ratchet and returnal, plus GOT upgrade.
 

Hezekiah

Member
They had Stalker 2. It got delayed due to covid, and no the war might cancel that game.

By that logic, Sony didnt have any game in 2021, aside of mlb, ratchet and returnal, plus GOT upgrade.
Stalker 2 was a three month exclusive.

And you can't say 'aside of' - those games were actual first-party games that came out as planned, not a timed exclusive that's been pushed back, that's dumb.
 

kingfey

Banned
Stalker 2 was a three month exclusive.

And you can't say 'aside of' - those games were actual first-party games that came out as planned, not a timed exclusive that's been pushed back, that's dumb.
Doesnt matter. Sony games last year were timed exclusives.
Same thing for MS.

If you want to hold MS on high standard, and criticize them, then do the same thing for Sony.
 

Hezekiah

Member
Doesnt matter. Sony games last year were timed exclusives.
Same thing for MS.

If you want to hold MS on high standard, and criticize them, then do the same thing for Sony.
Returnal and Ratchet weren't timed exclusives.

And this year Sony has put out Horizon and GT7 already, with God of War to come. MS has Redfall which we haven't seen anything of, another Forza, and Starfield which we also have seen anything of.

People have regularly asked for more communication from Sony, and the same applies here to MS, but my guess is there are a couple of delays coming.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Im sure with all the money and all the studios they can. Just depends on of they are actually good at managing studios. Eventually money can buy everything
 

kingfey

Banned
Returnal and Ratchet weren't timed exclusives.
Who said those were timed exclusives? They were their 1st party games.
By that logic, Sony didnt have any game in 2021, aside of mlb, ratchet and returnal, plus GOT upgrade.

And this year Sony has put out Horizon and GT7 already, with God of War to come. MS has Redfall which we haven't seen anything of, another Forza, and Starfield which we also have seen anything of.
And MS will put starfield, FM8, redfall. You cant see anything, because we are in march. 9 months left until this year is done.

People have regularly asked for more communication from Sony, and the same applies here to MS, but my guess is there are a couple of delays coming.
MS has e3. People are asking for unnecessary stuff. Its always been that way. Sony used to do e3, before they decided to make their own little events.

You can see all MS released from that E3. You will get what is shown on that e3.

People always jump on another company, when certain company is having a success. I remember clearly, when people were crying about Sony, because MS were pumping out games from august to December. Now its the opposite.
Its either you guys have goldfish memory, or you gamers are acting out of bad faith.
 

Kokoloko85

Member
Returnal and Ratchet weren't timed exclusives.

And this year Sony has put out Horizon and GT7 already, with God of War to come. MS has Redfall which we haven't seen anything of, another Forza, and Starfield which we also have seen anything of.

People have regularly asked for more communication from Sony, and the same applies here to MS, but my guess is there are a couple of delays coming.

Weirdly enough we got more PS5 exclusives in the first year. Demon Souls, Ratchet and Returnal but this year none. There all also on PS4 (horizon, god of war, GT7)
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
The problem is, both companies are suffering from this issues, yet people here are only going after 1 company.

MS already had a game ready this April. It was delayed to December this year. And now war happened. So I doubt we will get that.

But people don't care about that news. All they see is Sony releasing their games now, and Xbox have nothing. So they will blame MS for the lack of games, despite them having nothing to do with the delays.


It was stalker 2 on April. Redfall on summer, FM8 around September, Scorn on October and starfield on November. That was their primary schedule.
How can you say that both are suffering? This year alone I’ve already played Lost Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7 on PS5, could’ve played Sifu too but I opted out because of the difficulty.
Meanwhile on Xbox I’ve played some Mass Effect and went back to AC Odyssey and Valhalla for the cameo content. I plan to play Guardians of the Galaxt though so it’s not all black.
 

kingfey

Banned
How can you say that both are suffering? This year alone I’ve already played Lost Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7 on PS5, could’ve played Sifu too but I opted out because of the difficulty.
Meanwhile on Xbox I’ve played some Mass Effect and went back to AC Odyssey and Valhalla for the cameo content. I plan to play Guardians of the Galaxt though so it’s not all black.
2021 had low output for Sony. Now MS is experiencing the same.
 

DaGwaphics

Gold Member
I'm not talking about MS mentioning a AAA per month or anything I'm talking about MS fans pushing these silly ideas. I even quoted them for you so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Even per quarter. What AAA studios would pump out a game every quarter to maintain that output. You can maybe maintain it for 2 years if you line them up and are able to do it without delays in release. CoD isn't going to move to spring but MS doesn't have studios pumping out games in short 2-3 year spans. A lot of their AAA studios are pumping out GaaS content for past games and taking upwards of 6-7 yrs before even seeing the need for another release. That's the business model. I mean you are seeing that even with AAA powerhouses like Rockstar. There is a contraction of AAA releases and people are expecting something to change when they are paying a subscription because... because MS doesn't have enough growth? Because people are unsubscribing? It's wishful thinking and idealism. The reality is that there are draughts like the one you're experiencing now on xbox and the AAA games will aim for Christmas as always.

I'm not one of those fans pushing the AAA per month narrative, so, I'm not sure why you brought that argument forward to me. If MS is smart, they'll do what they've stated that they want to do, and that is spread major releases throughout the year. Always having something right around the corner to hype is the best position to be in. GaaS in general isn't the best possible fit for GP, so hopefully they don't lean into that to an extreme degree. Outside of Halo and SoT, they aren't doing GaaS, though most games do have some mtx in there, of course.
 

Hezekiah

Member
And MS will put starfield, FM8, redfall. You cant see anything, because we are in march. 9 months left until this year is done.


People always jump on another company, when certain company is having a success. I remember clearly, when people were crying about Sony, because MS were pumping out games from august to December. Now its the opposite.
Its either you guys have goldfish memory, or you gamers are acting out of bad faith.
Redfall is slated for June. That's three months away 😁

Forza doesn't have a date.

It's unusual for AAA games to have so little information and gameplay footage at this stage, certainly for games not involving Todd Howard.

By pumping out games I assume you primarily mean FH5, Flight Sim and Halo? That's better output, but Flight Sim came out in 2020 on PC, and Halo was supposed to come out 12 months earlier too.

Actually their best game was Psychonauts 2, but since the end of last year it's been barren, and there have been no updates.
 

DaGwaphics

Gold Member
I have too many games to play already. I don't think March could have handled another game.

But I'm sure since you only play platform exclusives the way they are doing it works well for you.

Sony in the spring MS in the fall.

IKR, March was a very solid month for GP, don't see how people can complain about it.
 

kingfey

Banned
Redfall is slated for June. That's three months away 😁
Glad we agreed on that one.

Forza doesn't have a date.
Same for god of war Ragnarök.

It's unusual for AAA games to have so little information and gameplay footage at this stage, certainly for games not involving Todd Howard.
Welcome to Todd Howard world. You will get used to it.

By pumping out games I assume you primarily mean FH5, Flight Sim and Halo? That's better output, but Flight Sim came out in 2020 on PC, and Halo was supposed to come out 12 months earlier too.
FH5, Age of empire, Psychoanuts 2, halo infinite.

Actually their best game was Psychonauts 2, but since the end of last year it's been barren, and there have been no updates.
It was fh5. They closed it with halo infinite. We are just 2 and half months away from December. That is a long time for your brain.

Sony had GOT upgrade in August 20, 2021. This January is when they got uncharted collection. So keep the same energy.
 

DaGwaphics

Gold Member
How can you say that both are suffering? This year alone I’ve already played Lost Legacy, Horizon Forbidden West and Gran Turismo 7 on PS5, could’ve played Sifu too but I opted out because of the difficulty.
Meanwhile on Xbox I’ve played some Mass Effect and went back to AC Odyssey and Valhalla for the cameo content. I plan to play Guardians of the Galaxt though so it’s not all black.

What were you playing on PS towards the end of last year?

LOL, a very what have you done for me lately take.
 

DaGwaphics

Gold Member
The Ascent wasn't published by MS, neither was the Medium.

People need to stop equating "console exclusives" as those are games from them.

I guess Tunic tomorrow (or out already in some parts), if that's how we are classifying them.

Exactly, I guess we are going to have to start discussing the fall of Sony first-party. Them "hyping" Babylon’s Fall and all that. 🤭
 
What were you playing on PS towards the end of last year?

LOL, a very what have you done for me lately take.
Not the guy you asked, but I was playing Kena, Deathloop, Solar Ash, Ghost of Tsushima Iki Island Expansion. All 80 MC games. And 4 exclusive games (in addition to third-party multiplatform games, e.g., GoTG, Vanguard, etc.) in 6 months are more than enough for most people.

Did not buy Tribes of Midgard, which was another option.
 

kingfey

Banned
Not the guy you asked, but I was playing Kena, Deathloop, Solar Ash, Ghost of Tsushima Iki Island Expansion. All 80 MC games. And 4 exclusive games (in addition to third-party multiplatform games, e.g., GoTG, Vanguard, etc.) in 6 months are more than enough for most people.

Did not buy Tribes of Midgard, which was another option.
The problem is that people are only judging based on 1st party games. Both companies have 3rd party games to cover the empty holes. But people dont care about that.

Its becomes, "this certain platform had more games, compared to that game". "Since this platform is having alot of success, it means the other platform is not having anything."

This applies to both spectrum fans from either side. Its getting annoying having to listen to these arguments, every time Sony or MS is having a good month.
 
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Fredrik

Gold Member
2021 had low output for Sony. Now MS is experiencing the same.
I don’t know. There was Ratchet and Returnal and FF7RI. Q3-Q4 was definitely worse for PS5 than XSX but there was still Deathloop and Kena. I think the start of 2022 has been particularly bad on XSX so far.
 

DaGwaphics

Gold Member
Not the guy you asked, but I was playing Kena, Deathloop, Solar Ash, Ghost of Tsushima Iki Island Expansion. All 80 MC games. And 4 exclusive games (in addition to third-party multiplatform games, e.g., GoTG, Vanguard, etc.) in 6 months are more than enough for most people.

Did not buy Tribes of Midgard, which was another option.

That's just the kind of response I'm talking about. Kena and Deathloop released in September (and aren't even first party). By that logic, those that are complaining about MS's output should just play FH5 and Halo. Was speaking apples to apples, Sony first-party and only Sony first-party.
 

Lognor

Member
Not the guy you asked, but I was playing Kena, Deathloop, Solar Ash, Ghost of Tsushima Iki Island Expansion. All 80 MC games. And 4 exclusive games (in addition to third-party multiplatform games, e.g., GoTG, Vanguard, etc.) in 6 months are more than enough for most people.

Did not buy Tribes of Midgard, which was another option.
Solar Ash? Really? People don't even know what that is. Kena is not a Sony game. And a DLC? LOL, yeah most would agree that's extremely bare bones. Good thing Sony is off to a good start this year! The second half of 2021 for Soyn was baaaaaaad
 
That's just the kind of response I'm talking about. Kena and Deathloop released in September (and aren't even first party). By that logic, those that are complaining about MS's output should just play FH5 and Halo. Was speaking apples to apples, Sony first-party and only Sony first-party.
Not sure why it matters if a first-party studio made the game or another studio. The end-result is the same: a game that's only available on one console, so you have to have that console to play it.

It'll be like discarding Microsoft Flight Simulator because it's not made by an Xbox first-party studio. I don't agree with that.
 
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