Yeah those panties with a zipper have been shown more than once. We'll see what they do with that game.
I thought about that too, but got to see how big it would've been.
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Xenoblade X Localization Changes for Character Models
- Thread starter Jarmel
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Yeah those panties with a zipper have been shown more than once. We'll see what they do with that game.
I thought about that too, but got to see how big it would've been.
I told myself I wouldn't post anymore but here, ok why remove the boob slider, why not just make it so you can't make a young character but only an adult and up? That's an option in the character maker.
So because someone might do that we all get punished?
RPGCrazied
Member
Didn't they say at the PAX Prime panel that nothing was going to be cut or changed?
So much for that I guess.
So much for that I guess.
Even adult women have small breast size, though.
How does that conflict with what I said?
Silent_Ocarina
Member
I really don't think this is the reason NoA made this change. Is there some indication? Because I keep hearing this.
Makes no sense to me. Not even a twisted sense.
You can't make children in XenobladeX. Chest size is not a very good indicator of age.
Not specifically directed at you, but I'm actually pretty bothered that apparently having a smaller chest means you're closer to a child than a woman.
What other reason could they have considering that the skimpy outfits are still in, just not for Lyn?
RPGCrazied
Member
NoA or whoever made this decision isn't going to make a comment over it. They never have before.
Just pointing out that making a small sized breast model doesn't translate by force to underage looking girl.
See, that actually pisses me off far more than the change itself. If you're going to change/cut things, don't fucking say you're not. If the call hadn't been made yet, say that. Don't bullshit me.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
I don't think there's any official statement that implies that to be the reason, but it's the one that makes the most sense. They changed Lin because they didn't want the Western version to have an underage girl in a bikini and since your avatar can technically look like (whilst not being, and not even in the "1000 year-old dragon" way) an underage girl and wear a bikini they modified character creation, limiting it to characters with clearly developed breasts.
Silent_Ocarina
Member
I don't know, I'm just not seeing the connection. Are breasts the only thing separating a young looking girl avatar from a grown woman avatar? It just seems to me more of a "please don't sexualize breasts" than a "don't make young looking girls" issue.
I really think they made the change because a lot of Americans might think it's weird to be able to adjust the breast size of a character. The game is rated T, they didn't feel like it made sense, it makes absolutely no difference in the grand scheme of the game so they pulled it in localization.
The fact that people are acting like this is heinous censorship brought on by a wrathful and angry bunch of Puritanical conspirators or that removing the slider is sexist against women with large or small breasts are just trying to find a legitimate reason to get upset about removing something they found visually appealing. The PCs barely even look human, so I really doubt anyone is going to make a stronger connection with the character because they can more closely approximate their own breast size via character creation.
Fallout 4 has a 100 times more advanced and detailed character creator where the end result might turn out looking like someone you might see walking down the street and not a body pillow, and it didn't have a breast slider because that's not something you commonly see in Western games. So here comes a game from Japan, where they have a different culture, and Nintendo made a few small edits to make things more inline with what the American/European audience expects. The vast majority of people who buy the game in Amierca/Europe won't know there was ever a breast slider and they won't miss it.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Sure. We're all just spitballing here because it seems like such an unreasonable change to make. But I think there are characters in your party with a larger than medium chest whom you can dress in a bikini still, so a general dislike for sexualisation of breasts seems less likely to me.
All stabs in the dark, though.
Oh, I totally agree with you.
Who said that? Who's in charge for this localization, anyway? The Nintendo Treehouse?
So much disappointment.
8-4 is doing localization for this but I imagine it's still Nintendo very much in charge.
RPGCrazied
Member
And found it! Don't know who this dude is, but he obviously was there in person and overheard it from the NoA or 8-4?
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
My back hurts.
Windom Earle
Banned
I am ok with the pedo nerf, but removing a slider? Nonsense. All women have medium breasts, ok then...
I'm a little confused, why are the breasts of the Young Adult bigger than the Adult ones on the first screenshot?
Mechanized
Member
...man what the fuck? This is so stupid. What an absolutely unnecessary, asinine change. Needless censorship like this really fucking irks me. To the point where I don't even want to support the game. I don't want to support this stupidity in any way. Lyn, I understand, it makes sense. But women can't have big boobs because "reasons" is just stupid. Any justification they make up for this is pure horseshit.
gamergirly
Member
Well see Lins boobs soon enough lol
Since you probably missed the first few pages, the argument against "all women don't have medium breasts" is that the character creator is very limited as it is, so having a breast slider as one of a very few body options (I believe only height, weight and breasts) might elude to a prioritization of sexuality from the developers.
What likely happened is the "pedo nerf" just drew more attention to the rest of the game so they pulled the breast slider, too, because they were taking a closer look. When they realize the developer is making some sketchy choices with how they're displaying (young) women it just brings the whole game under more scrutiny. It's funny that so many people are making that same disconnect, though. "Yeah, the young girl stuff is okay to remove, but not the breast slider!" as if a breast slider is a major aspect of the game or a staple of character creation.
Oh give it a fucking rest. "Americans" think no such goddamn thing, and to say so is actually pretty insulting to Americans AND the Japanese
Please.
Literally the only person making this argument is you. No one else has agreed with this position
Windom Earle
Banned
Hmm, I guess that makes sense. So censorship brings more censorship. Thanks Nintendo!
Having a breast slider is not the end of the world.
I would say the character creator is limited in terms of body building, even before this.
But a big part of this audience are people that enjoy japanese aesthetics, japanese stuff. Let's not pretend that we live in isolated regions and there's not cultural exchange.
That will be interesting to see.
The DLC of Fire Emblem Awakening wasn't censored in Europe, while in the US they didn't show Tharja's butt. Differences in localization are quite common for Nintendo games.
So there's still hope that at least the european version won't be censored.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
No, there is no hope left.
RPGCrazied
Member
So why would they say nothing is cut, and then cut/change stuff?
It just feels so wrong removing any customization options despite it's nature though. Removing options is never a fun thing in general.
I hate to break it to you, but the people on this board are a very small minority of the general public. Not many people in America or Europe are going to be into the same aesthetics with Japanese stuff as you are. You're obviously upset that you can't jack up the breast size of your character and I get that.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
This is over doing it a bit.
Ragnorok64
Member
That straight up hurts.And found it! Don't know who this dude is, but he obviously was there in person and overheard it from the NoA or 8-4?
So it's confirmed that the european version will be censored as well?
Sorry, hadn't noticed that yet.
Great argumentation ! Elaborate discourse !
Like I said, give it a fucking rest.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
Cool, it gives me a good excuse to not buy this even if it's good. I need to save money.
If you pay attention you might notice some nuance in the arguments. People aren't saying that. They're saying that some Japanese games and media are fucking weird to people who don't live in Japan so they pulled the content in localization. What are your feelings about the other change?
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
I find the removal of the slider to be eye-rolling, but a lot of the defenses of it have been way more sexist and gross than the existence of the slider ever possibly could be.
Like, have any of you ever considered that maybe something being "sexualized" is not the end of the world and doesn't mean its bad?
Like, have any of you ever considered that maybe something being "sexualized" is not the end of the world and doesn't mean its bad?
Windom Earle
Banned
Well, the game looks quite ugly (in parts) and the import impressions are lukewarm, so I guess we won't miss much.
Agreed.