You say this as if they don't do this when developing the game to begin with.
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Xenoblade X Localization Changes for Character Models
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I feel the same way. The faces along turn me off from playing the game.
Fuck, now I'm really curious.
No underage characters to worry about being exploited? It seems pretty cut and dry.
ShinRPGamer
Member
That's a thing in X? Knowing NoA, it likely won't by December.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
You can't tell for sure what is removed for what reason when the game is still being made. When a complete, final version is released in one region though, we can at least draw the line there.
Yeah, dialogue gets censored from Japanese games all the time sadly, however smaller publishing firms like Aksys and XSEED tend not to shy away from the heavy stuff.
Bayo 2 has an M rating so it has that freedom.
Swimsuit DLC is not happening I would guess.
And that cutscene with Tsubasa in her swimsuit would get changed somehow.
There's been plenty of English footage of people fighting those monsters, and they still have their chin scrotums.
shadow2810
Member
So your custom character is an underage character?
E_Darkness
Member
You have zero problems with censorship, but you have a strange aversion to actually admitting it using the word.
That's known as a wattle.
JadedWriter
Member
I wasn't going for the 13 year old wearing damn near nothing look though. I haven't checked out the character creator vids, but I assume you can make an actual adult right?
Because the people in charge know well enough that the context for the sexuality in Bayonetta is completely different from stuff like this.
ShinRPGamer
Member
In that case, never mind then.
Call it being too cautious on Nintendo's part, but it's pretty obvious that there's a direct link to what they did with Lin going on here.
Imagined? So they didn't actually remove it? Sure looks like they did, in which case... it's not imagined, it's real.
Because Bayonetta isn't 12 and can't be created to be either?
Removing a slider isn't censorship, nor is changing swimsuit styles.
It's definitely self-censorship. People complain about it like it was the government stepping in and mandating that the content be removed, though. A creator of any work that has a publisher is ultimately going to have to release the product the publisher wants released because they paid for it. It could be a book, a movie, whatever. If the publisher has a problem with the content they'll remove it. It might be a bust slider, or it might be a character that has the same name as the publishing CEOs son and he doesn't like the character so he makes them rename him.
kuroneko0509
Member
i wonder if there's still JP people playing this game.....
Pro from Dover
Member
He used his self-censor slider.
And I call that a euphemism for oversized chin testicles.
What I have a problem with is the connotation of CENSORSHIP that gets tossed around in these threads as if there is a Department of Decency in the government that is mandating that this content be removed. The publisher removed it, sure it's censorship, but it's self-censorship. They can do that if they want to. Why is it only ever a problem when it has something to do with sexualized women in games?
Mockingbird
Member
Ok. Now I am angry.
Censorship.
Censorship.
Well for starters, having a breast slider is not only for the purposes of sexualization.
It's only brought up like this because changes to bodies and such is the type of content which is most visible and easy to see for your typical gamer, so it's the easiest one to bring up arguments about. Stuff like miniscule text changes to make someone sound less "offensive" is a bit harder to bring up a full argument for because of the nuances of text, but doing something so overt as removing a character creator item is very much obvious.
Astral Dog
Member
Fatal Frame too, and #FE (lets see)
Now, i havent heard anything about Devils Third.
Besides, Bayo 2 is overall less sexualized than the first game, not that it matters much
Lots of things happen during development, but it was put there in the actual release in Japan. The problem here is removing content that was in the Japanese release from the U.S. release. That's the problem. That is not okay.
I don't care about Fatal Frame and wouldn't use the swimsuit outfits if I did play it, but I object to it's removal in principle. I don't particularly /care/ that much, since I have no interest in the game and it was an alternate outfit, but it bothers me in principle. Similarly, I'm not deeply upset about the Lin bikini thing here, and I actually think the new one looks better anyway, but I still disagree with the decision. Because these things are changes to the original for the purpose of not offending.
I apply this to things I actually get offended over too, by the way. There is a game that came out in Japan this year that had something I found really gross and will not buy the game because of it, but I don't advocate or approve of changing it in the upcoming U.S. release.
finalflame
Banned
Are you fucking kidding me? Breast size is a physical human feature just like any other. This is ridiculous. Holy shit. What kind of babysitting is this?
Not only that, but it's in plenty, if not most, of all other character creators without ANY controversy. This is insane.
This sticks out to me in every one of these threads. Cries of "CENSORSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" are never about political themes, philosophies, religious themes, racial themes, etc. It's not even about feminism. It's always sexualized nonsense that comes across as pandering and gross, especially to Western audiences.
What the hell? Of course it's okay. If a developer and publisher want to change their message for a different audience, that's their prerogative- it isn't suppression.
no kidding
Interesting that they cherry-picked this as one of a handful of physical features though, isn't it?
Sorry, Nintendo set the guidelines for what they consider to be an appropriate amount of life and hometown.
In modern times, how often in games does political talk or racial themes or feminism get removed from region to region? Now compare that to the number of times censorship relating to the human body has happened.
People aren't ignoring one for the other; one happens way more often with historical precedent to back it.
Name something else that ever gets censored and that everyone is a okay with
(also breasts are not sexualization)
Why McDonalds chooses to change their speech or message is irrelevant.
They wouldn't sell us stuff that we wouldn't buy, yeah. They adapt their products to our market. This is called localization.
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Deleted member 17706
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They aren't being censored. I suppose you could call it "self-censorship," but that's no different than making changes to your work that you think will make it more palatable to specific audience.
The whole "out of fear" stuff is just your interpretation.
Why does the line have to be drawn there? Shouldn't a creator be free to decide that they want to make a change to something after the fact?
What about VNs that had sex scenes in the original Japanese release to help sell them to a specific market over there? Should those games be saddled with those scenes when localized for other markets where they don't need that content to find an audience in the new market?