Lin is a minor, her outfit got altered to be less skimpy, and the option to make your own skimpy Lin was removed. We're going in circles here
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Xenoblade X Localization Changes for Character Models
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Astral Dog
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This thread is a mess, the game is quickly becoming a joke, too big open world. sliders, hideous faces, etc.
Not even a few boobs/bulge jokes left , just pure controversy.
Not even a few boobs/bulge jokes left , just pure controversy.
See, the interesting thing about your hyperbolic comparison (adult vn as an example in a breast slider topic) is that people have a... choice. Censored version on Steam, adult one elsewhere. What some people are advocating is the antithesis of choice.
Because god forbid that someone decide by himself what boob size his imaginary character will have.
ZombiePlatypus
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Go and look at 90s localizations. It wasn't just sex either. It was all around "westernize games." And it wasn't limited to games. Anime as well.
We almost didn't get Xenogears cause of its religious themes. Xenosaga had some creepy scenes with Albedo that were clearly used to instil repulsion and grossness tampered with. I believe there was blood cut out too.
And why are we dismissing the fear AO ratings here?
Suzushiiro
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What's an equivalent male option that even makes sense, though? The obvious one is bulge size, but that's generally not something that's visible enough for the variance to even matter, unless it's a game like Saints Row where you have the option of running around in a speedo for the whole game. Any other customization option they could add to "make up for it" would also make sense on women as well, so in the end women would still have one more slider than men.
Lin is a minor, her outfit got altered to be less skimpy, and the option to make your own skimpy Lin was removed. We're going in circles here
But we're not talking about Lin? Like, I think changing Lin's stuff is moderately silly, but I can accept the arguments for it and don't really care.
We're talking about the Adult, Player character.
You are aware that short, flatchested adult women exist? Also tall flatchested women. And short big breasted women
Its almost like physical appearance can vary dramatically from chronological age!
LordGorchnik
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I love how much these threads manage to blow up over the most asinine changes.
Palculator
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Jawmuncher
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Removal of Breast Size slider seems odd.
Would there really be a outcry if that was left in? Don't recall it going crazy like the recent MMO thread we had. Oh well sucks that nintendo keeps changing stuff, but at least it doesn't actually affect the game itself.
Would there really be a outcry if that was left in? Don't recall it going crazy like the recent MMO thread we had. Oh well sucks that nintendo keeps changing stuff, but at least it doesn't actually affect the game itself.
shadow2810
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TheOnePercent
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Deleted member 17706
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It's not removal, though. The option exists in the Japanese version. It does not in the North American version. Nothing that existed in either at one point has been removed.
Palatable is not for me to define, it's for Nintendo. They have a target audience in mind and they are doing what they think will make the game more attractive to that audience. Whether they are right or not is besides the point. It's their decision to make and it's not being forced on them, so it's not censorship.
In Japan, where "content" featuring sexualized underage girls is all over the place and openly accepted by a disturbing number of people.
Prevolition
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I'm sure if enough people complain about it to Nintendo and get a petition going they can potentially patch it back in. It personally doesn't bother me but I'm not a woman.
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Maleko Saint
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That's something I'm pretty interested in seeing how they handle it. Hoping they don't alter too much, but it seems to be a weird sequence of events with altered content and Nintendo.
ZombiePlatypus
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Deducing the obvious based on pattern and how we culturally react to sex in media is "making shit up" now.
Lol OK.
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Deleted member 17706
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There is no North American version of the game with those options. If it didn't exist in the first place, then it can't be removed.
You might as well be talking about how all of the Japanese text and voices were also "removed" (and I'm sure some people will). It did not exist in the first place.
So by this logic I can remove the entire damn game and say "oh well it never existed in the NA version"
This is by far the silliest thing yet said
Edit: And I goddamn will complain if the JP voices aren't included. (and I would, in concept, support being able to switch between English and JP text dialog as well)
I'm definitely guessing they tried to remove the option to make very young looking females in skimpy outfits. At the cost of, yeah, limiting super important stuff like breast size variety, lol.
Palculator
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But it did exist until they removed it.
i can understand the first change i may not completely agree with it but i'm mostly okay with it. The boob slider being removed is just retarded. Just make a limit to how small you can make the breast or how short the female the character can be if they are worried about folks making creepy underage girls and posting picts of it everywhere. I honestly just wish Japanese companies who were already going to release their games worldwide would put a little thought into creating their games so that they don't have to be adjusted for the west/U.S. It honestly just makes you feel like your not getting a complete package with these later localizations.
Orakio Rob
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I'm too lazy to search the last ten pages... how many gaffers already said they won't buy the game because the boob slider was removed?
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Deleted member 17706
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So what about all of the content that was in development in the Japanese version that didn't make launch? Features and content have to be cut with just about every game before it sees release. You'll probably still find some of it in the files on the disc.
Was all that stuff "removed," too?
The point is that this was never an option in the North American version. If it had been there at launch and removed later, then it might be an issue, but that's not the case.
Well! I thought I could actually take you seriously for a moment, but apparently I was mistaken. That first sentence is one for the history books.
EDIT: Holy shit this argument has gotten absolutely insane. We are so desperate not to call something like this censorship that posters are literally doing everything they can to avoid calling it what it is, even changing the definition of the word "remove" to do it.
Throw out the dictionary everyone! There is no historical precedent. Everything is fine... Nintendo has the right, I tell you, the right to remove this content! Reality is fiction, fiction is reality!
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
radios shipping overview
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I'm not sure what the point of these was in the first place, in a role-playing game about giant robots? Seems like nobody would have asked for them if they hadn't been there to begin with.
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Hard to say without a specific example and in such a case you would most likely see a JP release without the porn anyway. If it could be reasonably provable (preferably with a creator statement), then I'd probably be okay with it. That's assuming it was the typical completely extraneous and not-the-least-bit-titilating sex scenes these things normally have. If it was actually some interesting scene or character building or intimacy or something, I'd almost certainly still be bothered by it. While it's /relevant/, I'm not necessarily going to be okay with something just because the creator wanted it. I might still think they made it distinctly worse in making the changes. It might move it out of being a localization issue for me though.
And also, I completely agree with Fencedude about removing them generally being improvement (I skipped through most of them in Muv-Luv and Grisaia, except to mock a bit of the former and appreciate a few amusing lines in the latter before the actual sex started). Again, while I disagree with such things in principle, there are times when I (perhaps grudgingly) accept things as improvement and get a bit conflicted about it. The censored Lin outfit being a decent example. Ideally it would have just been there in addition to the original, I guess.
This logic is so asinine I have to think you are trolling.
At this point we're discussing wether or not it could have been handled better (there are short adults, you know!
), but at least I'm glad we've moved beyond the very serious issue of censorship in cartoon breasts.Not really
I'm more interested in the number of people who now WILL buy the game because they aren't confronted with the fact that women don't all have the same breast size
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Deleted member 17706
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Why? Changes happen in localization. Calling all of them removals and censorship is far more asinine to me.
If you're savvy enough to know everything about the Japanese original, why aren't you just playing that one?
Pellegri Testament
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This is literally some of the dumbest hand waiving I have ever seen. I'm honestly wondering if you understand what a localization is. hint - they aren't actually 2 completely different games that were built from the ground up, one was the basis for the other. If content isn't put into the non base version that was actually in the original, then????
Palculator
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Yes, cut content was cut -- removed. And the only reason it is not an option in the North American version is because they removed it. Not because there's a magical inherent property of Xenoblade Chronicles X to erase parts of its contents from existence without human intervention as soon as it enters the continent of North America.
You shouldn't post under influence.
Owlowiscious
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Deleted scenes in movies aren't deleted scenes because they were never in the movie release in the first place.
The Lin change is fine and probably warranted. The bust slider, while silly, is a bit more bothersome. It doesn't change the fact that I am excited about playing the game and won't effect my enjoyment of the game in the slightest but removing that feature entirely seems rather heavy handed.
There's a big ass difference between translating a language and taking content out.
Valkyri von Thanatos
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Well, this change seems somewhat odd honestly. I agree that taking away a feature, especially when it limits the character customization, is a little odd. I don't know if NOA demanded the feature be removed and Monolith or 8-4 grudgingly complied, or if Monolith never intended for a feature they spent time on to be in the localized releases, but regardless, removing options that represent real physical characteristics seems strange.
I agree with Fencedude that the argument that they should remove the options so people don't fetishize the player character is a fallacy. People don't all have "medium" size breasts, some women have small ones, others large. Is it okay if a woman who wants to make a character look as close as possible to herself cannot because of this localization choice?
This is obviously an unequal comparison, since breasts inherently are unlikely to ever be seen only as just the physical characteristics that they are, but imagine if we lived in a world where breasts were considered just as inconsequential as men's beards. Or perhaps, imagine if the maximum possible size of a man's beard was as sexually charged of a characteristic as breasts. They're both secondary sexual characteristics, so why not imagine for this experiment?
Then consider if in Japan, a game comes out that allows full customization of your player character's beard, from tiny stubble (or nothing at all) to an absolute mountain of beard. But now, they are localizing the game to western countries, and the publisher of the game is worried that western countries can't handle clean shaven faces since they are too "child-like", and that huge beards are too overwhelming, people can't pay attention to what a guy's saying when he's got such a hairy visage!
So in order to appeal to people afraid of these "extremes", they mandate that every male character have a "medium" amount of beard, too much is too sexy, and too little is fetishizing cleanshaven "children". This prevents people who naturally have larger-than-normal beards and those who can hardly grow one at all, from making a character that represents what they look like, and a character they can be comfortable roleplaying as. And western players just have to deal with knowing that the publisher deemed them unable to "handle" the "extreme" options, and that only Japan gets to represent men's beards in as many sizes as they come naturally, since obviously they are capable of "handling it".
I agree with Fencedude that the argument that they should remove the options so people don't fetishize the player character is a fallacy. People don't all have "medium" size breasts, some women have small ones, others large. Is it okay if a woman who wants to make a character look as close as possible to herself cannot because of this localization choice?
This is obviously an unequal comparison, since breasts inherently are unlikely to ever be seen only as just the physical characteristics that they are, but imagine if we lived in a world where breasts were considered just as inconsequential as men's beards. Or perhaps, imagine if the maximum possible size of a man's beard was as sexually charged of a characteristic as breasts. They're both secondary sexual characteristics, so why not imagine for this experiment?
Then consider if in Japan, a game comes out that allows full customization of your player character's beard, from tiny stubble (or nothing at all) to an absolute mountain of beard. But now, they are localizing the game to western countries, and the publisher of the game is worried that western countries can't handle clean shaven faces since they are too "child-like", and that huge beards are too overwhelming, people can't pay attention to what a guy's saying when he's got such a hairy visage!
So in order to appeal to people afraid of these "extremes", they mandate that every male character have a "medium" amount of beard, too much is too sexy, and too little is fetishizing cleanshaven "children". This prevents people who naturally have larger-than-normal beards and those who can hardly grow one at all, from making a character that represents what they look like, and a character they can be comfortable roleplaying as. And western players just have to deal with knowing that the publisher deemed them unable to "handle" the "extreme" options, and that only Japan gets to represent men's beards in as many sizes as they come naturally, since obviously they are capable of "handling it".
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Deleted member 17706
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Seems like it's pointless to complain about it if you're treating it the same way as all of the other content that got cut for release.
Semantics aside, it was never in the cards for the North American version.
I guess I don't consider a boob slider and little girl bikinis "content."
And translating the language is probably the biggest change of content you can make. There is no such thing as a 1:1 translation for the most part. The localization process changes tons about characters and their interactions, as well certain things about the story and setting. If the language used in a game isn't meaningful content, then I certainly don't know what is.
I'm getting more soured on this possible purchase i must admit because of all of this drama concerning this game. The bikini i would have barely even noticed when playing the game and i would have never made a female character anyways its just the decisions of Nintendo surrounding this game is just disappointing and like i said earlier is souring me on this game that i was completely looking forward too.
Vincent Grayson
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The vast, overwhelming majority of people who buy XBX will neither know, nor would care if told, about the removal of a bust size slider.