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I don't find it complicated I just prefer better optimised plug in and go gaming. I might build a PC again one day, but 100% not in the current chip shortage climate.Pc complexity that you alludes to.
I don't find it complicated I just prefer better optimised plug in and go gaming. I might build a PC again one day, but 100% not in the current chip shortage climate.Pc complexity that you alludes to.
XSX "Pro" : Yes, PS5 "Pro": No
Yes, ofc they will "slim" it for cost reasons, but I can't see an angle where Sony needs a "pro" version of their console vs MS.So you feel Sony will stick with a slim revision but no Pro model?
Yes, ofc they will "slim" it for cost reasons, but I can't see an angle where Sony needs a "pro" version of their console vs MS.
Why would MS need a pro console but Sony does not?
Because they are multiplat.. i.e PC territory. What do people do to their PC after awhile?Why would MS need a pro console but Sony does not?
Ohhh I see now I understand. I didn’t know what you meant initially.Because they are multiplat.. i.e PC territory. What do people do to their PC after awhile?
I agree with you that 8K is out of the question, and IF Sony would do it, it probably would be for more performance in something like the PSVR2, but I don't think it's a "winning" move. This gen have a lot of legs in them, not to be compared with the Jaguar of the past. There's no culprit weakness there, why use too much money for a refresh wich would be hamstrung by the original anyways?Well it's true 8K wouldn't be enough of a reason, but maybe simply as a means of retaining more users in their hardware ecosystem could be a motivating factor. Maybe for more headroom WRT PSVR 2 but aside from those it is kind of hard to think of any big reasons.
I would maybe say the same for Microsoft, except GamePass and higher-fidelity BC could be good enough reasons. Using a single Xbox mid-gen refresh design to stream 4-6 or so Series S game instances, then spinning that into something to sell to the console base, while phasing out Series X. The consumer side gets the benefit by relation, essentially.
If Sony does go in bigger with game streaming though, that could be enough impetus for them to design something befitting a mid-gen refresh, recouping R&D costs on a Pro model sold for a profit from the jump (IIRC both PS4 Pro and One X were sold for at least some profit out of the gate).
Sony would be stupid to not match their main competitor in a mid-gen refresh. Another way they could lose market share.Yes, ofc they will "slim" it for cost reasons, but I can't see an angle where Sony needs a "pro" version of their console vs MS.
I agree with you that 8K is out of the question, and IF Sony would do it, it probably would be for more performance in something like the PSVR2, but I don't think it's a "winning" move. This gen have a lot of legs in them, not to be compared with the Jaguar of the past. There's no culprit weakness there, why use too much money for a refresh wich would be hamstrung by the original anyways?
They would be stupid if they did, when they didn't have to.. stuff cost money you know...Sony would be stupid to not match their main competitor in a mid-gen refresh. Another way they could lose market share.
It’s the freaking Switch that needs either a pro or the next gen one already. It’s getting painful.
I agree with you that 8K is out of the question, and IF Sony would do it, it probably would be for more performance in something like the PSVR2, but I don't think it's a "winning" move. This gen have a lot of legs in them, not to be compared with the Jaguar of the past. There's no culprit weakness there, why use too much money for a refresh wich would be hamstrung by the original anyways?
In my mind, this is what they meant by "We believe in generations"
There's ALWAYS a need. We already have games that have to compromise either resolution or framerate. That's only going to get worse moving forward. In 3-4 years these consoles will be very underpowered, too.There's no need for a pro model unlike the last gen where the consoles were very underpowered
I knew it! So the potential for PS5Pro and XsXPro for the GPU:
with MCM design double digit TFLOPS: 30+
increase in GPU Frequency: Up to 3Ghz
increase in RAM: 20-25 GB close to 1 TB/sec of GDDR7
implementation of infinity cache
dedicated and better Ray Tracing Cores, and Machine Learning Cores
For the CPU I am speculating:
3D V-Cache
8 Core (Zen 2) to 12 Core (Zen 4)
Between 4--5Ghz
SSD:
PCIE 5 implementation
between 15-30 GB/Sec close to the RAM bandwidth of PS3 and Xbox 360
Besides no brainer implementation for Wifi6E, i am not sure if OPTICAL DISK DRIVES are even worth it. What storage medium would they use to release games? 4K Ultra Blu Ray i think is just too small for XsX Pro and PS5 Pro
How does this dude still have an audience
There will not be Pro models. I don't think people understand why we even had them last gen.
It is just a sugar pill for those poor delusionals that still didn't succeed to get a regular PS5/XSX and somehow, need to justify their wait...
I love his flowery language in his British accent:How does this dude still have an audience
That sounds very unlikely, I think they’ll keep the high clocks but increase CU count with the chiplet designRDNA 3 would most likely reach close to 3 Ghz
Every 3 years, and y’all talk shit about cross-gen now The market would be stale and there would be no noticeable advancements. Going by your cycle and with how long development currently is for games I should expect only 1 game from each first party studio, if that, that’s going to be cross-gen with either the prior or next console. The same could probably be said for all developers because why would you abandon a console’s audience that’s only 2-3 years old? You have to let this hardware mature as much as possible and see what they can squeeze out of it before introducing a new console. This gen is somewhat underwhelming now for people due to the release of the mid-gen refresh. This is sorta why Nintendo sees such big generational leaps within their ecosystem because they let their systems age to hell before releasing a new one.These things should be refreshed at least every three years. Seven or eight year old tech in this sector is ridiculous.
Also I would pay more for a console with no compromises.
They always start development years before,ps3 started development in 2001.Well I think MS and Sony did indirectly or directly say they are already working on next gen consoles. They may not be called "Pro" they might as well call them PS6 and XsX2 or something. Im just speculating
That sounds very unlikely, I think they’ll keep the high clocks but increase CU count with the chiplet design
A pro would be a bad idea I think.Especially now with chip problems.You would have 3 PS5s on the market a digital 399 one with a disc drive 499 and then a pro 599.
Only to play a few games at native 4K.
It would also take away from the PS6 if AMD can’t make big jumps the PS6 is already in the planing phase 2-3 years till release so they must finalize stats in 2023/24.If there is a Pro the upgrade to the PS6 will look tiny especially if Sony doesn’t goes all power for 599 at the start for the PS6.That would mean between pro and 6 will be a 10 to 15 TF difference would be a bad look for the PS6.Leave it like it is now 10 and the 6 will be around 40-60 TF that would be exiting.but not when you have a 30 TF pro on the market which will cost 599
Yeah, I don’t believe in generations… Therefore I haven’t ‘talked shit’ about cross gen…Every 3 years, and y’all talk shit about cross-gen now The market would be stale and there would be no noticeable advancements. Going by your cycle and with how long development currently is for games I should expect only 1 game from each first party studio, if that, that’s going to be cross-gen with either the prior or next console. The same could probably be said for all developers because why would you abandon a console’s audience that’s only 2-3 years old? You have to let this hardware mature as much as possible and see what they can squeeze out of it before introducing a new console. This gen is somewhat underwhelming now for people due to the release of the mid-gen refresh. This is sorta why Nintendo sees such big generational leaps within their ecosystem because they let their systems age to hell before releasing a new one.
It depends on how they bet on market share loss should they not. Remember- they make money on people being in their ecosystem. Not having a Pro when your main competitor does gives you a significant disadvantage.They would be stupid if they did, when they didn't have to.. stuff cost money you know...
Same here. Probably going to be the PS5 unless the Xbox version is a significant difference.Only one of my ps5 or XSX is going to get a pro update if they come out. I'm not going to spend $1000 on getting 2 of them.
They won't release a "Pro" just because the competitor does, they would have to have a proper reason for doing so.It depends on how they bet on market share loss should they not. Remember- they make money on people being in their ecosystem. Not having a Pro when your main competitor does gives you a significant disadvantage.
Same here. Probably going to be the PS5 unless the Xbox version is a significant difference.
They won't release a "Pro" just because the competitor does, they would have to have a proper reason for doing so.
I don't think so, but that would be one scenario for doing it, yes.PSVR2
Can we all agree on one thing?
OPTICAL DISK DRIVES ARE ARCHAIC
Physical media probably won't go away for 10th gen, but if it sticks around it won't be optical discs like Blu-Ray IMO. I've had an idea for a while that they could just go with small, cheap 128 GB or so microSD cards, that wouldn't even need to be very fast, say 72 MB/s, 90 MB/s or so.Can we all agree on one thing?
OPTICAL DISK DRIVES ARE ARCHAIC
The data transfer rate from my understanding is: 92Mb/s-144 Mb/s
Meanwhile you have SD cards that can go up to 1 TB+ with read and write speeds (SD Express 8.0 specifications with PCIE 4.0) up to 4GB/Sec, if they are going to make SD Express 9.0 specifications, i am going to assume double that.
If we want cartridge like experience, then the storage medium HAS to change.
If you want to stick to digital distribution, then the amount storage has to increase also. PS5Pro/PS6 and XsXPro/XsX2 games will be 100GB+ if its gonna be the start of 8K, the current storage capacity despite fast SSD speeds is pathetic.
I don't care how cheap it is to manufacture optical disks, there has to be another solution.
The Series S next will the exact Series X specs.
A new more powerful Series X will come in 5 years.
Sony has a harder time with just 1 console.
We'll just see a new generation compared to a mid generation refresh.
No.
I very much enjoy when my friends lend me a game they finished and vice versa.
I also don't see how e.g. a USB dongle or similar would be cheaper than an optical disk.