i think they are talking about PS3 games due to the type of service it could be - like Netflix, you dont get latest movies, but slightly old ones... otherwise, it will be easier for them to do PS4 games than PS3 ones.
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Yoshida on Gaikai - 'our dream' is to..access to thousands of games'
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i think they are talking about PS3 games due to the type of service it could be - like Netflix, you dont get latest movies, but slightly old ones... otherwise, it will be easier for them to do PS4 games than PS3 ones.
KZObsessed
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Being able to potentially stream every playstation game from PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP, Vita, PS4 is one of the most exciting ideas I can think of. Accessing any playstation game at any time is something I'd pay a lot for. Don't expect to see it come to fruition for a few years though. These things always take time and they'll need permission from licensees like with digital distribution on PSN correct? In that case we'll probably never see every game but at least we'll get everything from Sony's first party devs along with most major third party releases.
H_Prestige
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Err, you do know that Sony's goal is to transition away from consoles right? There most likely won't be a PS5. It will be replaced by Sony Cloud Gaming service.
LeadenStride
Member
Are you trying to distract me from the inevitable horrors of the future or really starting to make me long for those times you described in the latter part of your post?
On a more serious note, I don't think that it'll happen either, at least not anytime soon. Even with Spotify, which has become extremely popular, basically everyone still puts out their music on CD. I just don't like the trend very much, since it alters the relationship between consumer and media considerably.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
Honestly, I want them to be quiet about Gaikai until they have something to show. Because I'm getting de ja vous from when they made a big deal of remote play on PSP
This is an awesome point that I hadn't really considered.
And streaming PS2 games and especially PS1 games should be easier due to the low resolution.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Subscription prices need to mirror Streaming Video sites. $10 a month area.
If not many people simple wont be able to justify it.
If not many people simple wont be able to justify it.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Interesting. I think we'll see a multiple entry points as hinted in the interview.
$5 to stream a select number of titles per month, let's say 10, $10 to stream 20, and $15 to stream an unlimited amount of games per month.
Byakuya769
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I make purchases based on reality, not dreams. Sony better learn this before E3.
phosphor112
Banned
Seems awesome. Not a fan of streaming though, but still cool.
ChosenPredator
Banned
Internet bill will be atrociously high
makingmusic476
Member
The best part is that last part of the OP, about doing everything they can to negate annoying downloads, patches, installs, etc.
Sony could at least put up their own first party games and IP's that they own like Dark Cloud, Wild Arms and Demon Soul's etc.
maybe old games, but they wont let you stream all you can eat PS4 games for $15 per month... i would never buy another game in my life.
But PS3 for instance for $10 plus content you buy on PS4 for "free" as long as you are subscriber (plus you can play them offline of course at any time)... possibly rental PS4 games? But $3-$5 per day?
it is hard to understand right now, but otherwise new games are at least 3x more expensive than new movies... cant be same price as Netflix.
Gaikai can run the game locally, I think.
I'd pay $60 a month for this service, the price of one game new.
No higher than someone using Netflix.
TimeEffect
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How would this be priced? The games would have to be old, wouldn't they?
Sounds bad for everyone else (publishers) if their game was on GaiKai/PlayStream/ or whatever they want to call it, if you can go through so many games instantly.
Also, how do publishers get paid? How does it work, exactly?
Miles Quaritch
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I doubt they'll offer PS4 games for at least 3 years. It will start with PS1, PS2 titles and will slowly grow to include PS3 and eventually older PS4 titles.
It will essentially follow the same path that Plus has followed. Start small but eventually expand to offer a great and incredibly valuable service.
MoonLightWave
Member
I'm okey with streamed demos, but full games? NOPE.
Raonak
Banned
It's clear that thats where they're trying to position themselves, I think it's a very smart idea. IF sony can pull it off. I really do think it's the future, the netflix of gaming would be a very powerful dream for gamers.
PS+ was the first step in that direction, PS4 will continue in that direction.
I do think a future where "PlayStation" is an app you can download to your PC, your smartphone, your tablet, your TV, and you can use it to stream games to that device. A giant catalog of games regardless of hardware.
The future isn't here yet because frankly lots of people still have shit internet.
IrishNinja
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i wanna be excited for the possibilities here, but so many of my favorite titles stand to slip through the cracks...i totally get the interest in this (both their end, and for many consumers) but its hard for me to get hyped at the implications: i'm going to pay for the right to access (some) of my software.
SpinningBirdKick
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Of course it's his dream to do this but it will remain a dream.
There is zero chance that this will be rolled out world wide with an acceptable standard of service.
The world wide server and infrastructure costs would mean Sony having to eat losses for many many years to come.
It doesn't matter if you're willing to put down cold hard cash for your subscription. Unless there are many nearby in the same area willing to do the same you are likely to have to use far away server data centers which will severely compromise the quality of the service.
There is zero chance that this will be rolled out world wide with an acceptable standard of service.
The world wide server and infrastructure costs would mean Sony having to eat losses for many many years to come.
It doesn't matter if you're willing to put down cold hard cash for your subscription. Unless there are many nearby in the same area willing to do the same you are likely to have to use far away server data centers which will severely compromise the quality of the service.
Are you sure? They've talked about how they're looking to reduce latency for streaming games, but I'm not sure how that's possible. Even with proper infrastructure there's still the problem of having to send data over long distances. If there's even the slightest bit of noticeable lag, I have no interest in that kind of service. After using OnLive I can't imagine streaming ever replacing retail or digital downloads. I'm honestly more interested in the idea of playing games as they're downloading.
You'll leave something you like because you can't touch the piece of silicone for 2 seconds while you are inserting it into your consoles where it's hidden for hours?
Some people are weird.
We're talking game consoles here
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-off-gaikai-vs-onlive
this "cloud gaming doesn't work" stuff needs to stop
Speaking of "dreams" and "hopes" makes it tough to see this as a legit backwards compatibility option.
Subscription fees to play games less than 5 years old kinda seals the deal.
And as for it being a gaming Spotify? Until I see subscription pricing and implementation, I have reservations about how well it would work. An a la carte setup seems like it would be a lot more cost-effective in the long term, so hopefully this is offered on top of re-working the permanent-download PS Classics, not a replacement for it. But right now, everything Sony is saying indicates the latter being the more likely scenario.
Subscription fees to play games less than 5 years old kinda seals the deal.
And as for it being a gaming Spotify? Until I see subscription pricing and implementation, I have reservations about how well it would work. An a la carte setup seems like it would be a lot more cost-effective in the long term, so hopefully this is offered on top of re-working the permanent-download PS Classics, not a replacement for it. But right now, everything Sony is saying indicates the latter being the more likely scenario.
Just before Sony bought them out, Gaikai were working on a feature that let you stream the game as the first chunk of it downloaded in the background. Once that chunk was downloaded, the game was supposed to seamlessly transition from cloud to your hardware and let you play locally as it downloaded the rest. I remember seeing a video with them demonstrating the tech with FIFA, and now we're seeing a lot of that tech being directly implemented into PS4.
I think people in Gaikai probably realised that an all cloud future that some people say is going to eventually happen is implausible for a number of reasons (lag, scale, long-term costs, reach, and so on), and probably decided that their technology would be as Gabe Newell said: better as a feature of a much broader system than a product in its own right. I totally agree that device intelligence needs to be on the edge of the network (i.e. local smart devices running software) rather than centralised, as cloud gaming is.
That also kind of explains the sale to SCE, where it would be incorporated as part of a bigger picture. If Gaikai thought they could go it alone with a cloud-only product, they'd still be independent now.
It's more than that. There's also the consumer rights angle, and game preservation angle. I just don't like ceding control of my purchases to a company. At least when you download games, the code is there on your hard drive. At some point in the future, someone is going to crack it and make sure those games are never lost. With cloud gaming, once newer server hardware adds incompatibility with older games, expect them to be pulled from your library without any choice in the matter.
I think if my only option was playing it on the cloud, I'd probably find a new hobby too. As it stands, I'm not particularly worried about cloud gaming, and I think it'll never be the one-size-fits-all future that some people proclaim it to be.
IrishNinja
Member
wait, was that a specific quote? damn, and to think tretton would be at e3 later that gen talking about not releasing too many quality PSX games for fear of chasing off other developers.
I get the consumer rights angle, personally I am not worried, but I understand the concerns.
But game preservation? Going all digital is the ONLY way we have somewhat decent game preservation. All physical media fails some day, digital stuff will never fail. As long as we have software pirates, we don't need to worry about companies locking games away and never unlocking them. Yes, cloud gaming would essenatially take that from the realm of possibilty. But I don't think cloud gaming is going to replace home consoles / PC. What Sony is doing is offering these games the only feasable way. I can respect that.
I have no issues with digital downloads, and I understand that it enables many games that retail/discs would not. Digital downloads can also be preserved, whether that's on the original hardware they were downloaded to, or extracted and decrypted somehow by hackers in the future. Don't get me wrong, I love DD and think it's the best thing to happen to this industry from a creative standpoint. I have a massive Steam library, a massive PSN library, games downloaded to my 3DS and Wii U, and when I had an Xbox 360 I was an avid XBLA fan.
My concerns about game preservation rest entirely with the cloud, and with games that rely on server-side services that can be switched off or taken away.
Again, though, I'm not worried about the cloud. I see it as a feature of a broader system, not a product. It's never going to replace local play, especially since powerful hardware is getting smaller and cheaper for the end user at a rate that the guys running the cloud servers probably cannot keep up with.
vivftp
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If Sony takes Gaikai to the level where it is the "Netflix if gaming", you can bet your ass you'll see an app for it on all internet enabled Bravia TVs along with the ability to pair a PS4 controller. If they can get other TV manufacturers to get on board with this to make it something like the PS certified mobile devices, then Sony could own the living room simply because most/all newer internet enabled TVs will have their gaming platform accessible. It doesn't even need to stop there as it could expand to blurays, computers, phones, tablets... anything with a web browser since that's the way Gaikai works.
I've long since hoped that Sony would make a video service that was more like Netflix rather than the pay-per-use option that is Video Unlimited. With Gaikai, maybe they will do that. I'm hoping they can have one service package where you get music, video and gaming for unlimited use on one account. It'd be VERY expensive compared to current options, of course (they could also have them seperate too, naturally) but I think I'd be willing to shell out for that.
I've long since hoped that Sony would make a video service that was more like Netflix rather than the pay-per-use option that is Video Unlimited. With Gaikai, maybe they will do that. I'm hoping they can have one service package where you get music, video and gaming for unlimited use on one account. It'd be VERY expensive compared to current options, of course (they could also have them seperate too, naturally) but I think I'd be willing to shell out for that.
That's how I see it as well
Yeah, using Gaikai downloader. I think. I could be wrong but it seems like it sends enough of the game to run and it loads assets over the internet, and then stores them to the HDD. They could do that. I saw them FIFA, what I assumed locally, in 30 seconds.
Yeah, no kidding. This is cool and all, but I hope it's something that can actually happen.
With no backwards compatibility, does this rules out a PS4 for you? Or you just going to hang on to your PS3?
That only works if the local system can run the code, which in the case of streaming PS3 games to anything other than a PS3 isn't going to happen. Otherwise, Sony was talking about exactly that for loading PS4 games. It's mentioned in the OP, and Yoshida says it requires some developer work, so it's probably not going to work with anything other than PS4 games.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Man people jump to conclusions fast. If and when streaming games become viable I do not see that becoming the only method of playing games. Sony also said they see a long future of physical media still, partially because they gain so much from their blu ray format and retailer relationships. Also like Spotify I could a streaming service offering the ability to download to the device for better performance and offline usage.
To Far Away Times
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I have no interest in a technology that introduces additional input lag to games.
Chuck Norris
Banned
I'd love a feature through Gaikai that allowed people to drop in and watch movies with you. They can obviously do this as they seem to be doing the drop in through games.
I would hope Sony is the one who can do this right and offer a massive library of games since Nintendo cannot/wont, and prefer to release a few games a month instead.
I also hope Sony would strike some sort of deal with Sega and just bring everything Sega related on it as well, not select few games, everything under the sun, Master System to Dreamcast.
The only games that would be impossible are the licensed games i imagine
I also hope Sony would strike some sort of deal with Sega and just bring everything Sega related on it as well, not select few games, everything under the sun, Master System to Dreamcast.
The only games that would be impossible are the licensed games i imagine