HP_Wuvcraft
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Money don't make you a sexist conspiracy theorist, though.
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Money don't make you a sexist conspiracy theorist, though.
Atraveller
Banned
What? He was basically attacking the concept of fictional role model because little girls should only look up to IRL people.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
RedLetterMedia is so frustrating to me. Because they're clearly attuned to things like racism and sexism on a level that is frankly more than I expect from most white dude youtube critics. Like you can hear them genuinely react at awful stuff in movies they watch that I would totally expect others to shrug off.
But then they have their weird "representation apathy" thing and Rich makes comments sometimes and its just...ARGH
I just want them to be better
You are coming off as very dismissive, judgmental, and kinda... smarmy. I think the way you view the world makes you less happy. I've been making a conscious effort to avoid doing what you're doing right now, so it sticks out to me, and I've gotta say I'm happier for it. You should try it; I'm being sincere.
Also, yes, they are good people. They have some issues that stand out to me, but they've done a lot for others, including me. Love and support that you cannot take for granted.
Hopefully it's just the cynicism. That's the main current that strings together their reviews - cynicism towards the movie industry. If I were in their position I wouldn't even bother with jokes about ham-fisted diversity or political correctness. To me, bad writing is just bad writing no matter what it entails.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Did you watch his Star Wars Force Awakens review? They went on a tangent about how diversity doesn't matter and falsely claiming that no one really gives a shit. The rest of his review also feels strangely out of touch and behind the times.
So yes, I would say that RLM did go full on milkshake duck with an "old man yells at clouds" cherry on top.
chaobreaker
Member
Some folks here are saying RedLetterMedia are cool, but they made that one video speculating on conspiracy theories regarding the Ghostbusters 2016 fiasco while the cast and crew were still getting abused online for making the movie in the first place. It really soured me on them.
EDIT: I just saw the comments they made over Star Wars. Looks like unsubbing them wasn't a bad idea after all.
On that note, James Rolfe came off as a bit of a tool too when he made a long-winded video explaining why he refuses to watch the reboot when he spent the majority of his adult life reviewing and discussing Z-tier monster movies and trashy video games. Who are you fooling, James?
EDIT: I just saw the comments they made over Star Wars. Looks like unsubbing them wasn't a bad idea after all.
On that note, James Rolfe came off as a bit of a tool too when he made a long-winded video explaining why he refuses to watch the reboot when he spent the majority of his adult life reviewing and discussing Z-tier monster movies and trashy video games. Who are you fooling, James?
Atraveller
Banned
They don't see minorites as subhumans and they think that was good enough for them. Any demand to change for the better seems to be asking too much for RLM.
King Tubby
Member
Yeah I haven't had any milkshake duck moments with anyone yet, but as much as I like Dunkey I would not be shocked if he turned out to be a piece of shit.
Yeah, and I dug him in Chuck too. I can't remember if his twitter shit started during or just after Chuck, but it makes me not want to watch either of those shows again
Glass Shark
Banned
Yeah this is where I'm at. They've been sufficiently problematic on enough things that I would never give money to their Patreon or anything, and I'm not a diehard fan like I used to be, but I'll watch their stuff occasionally.
brianmcdoogle
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The thing is, they were handling the Ghostbusters thing just fine before Mike went and did that Scientist Man thing. The joke trailer reaction Jay put out was great, and the Half in the Bag episode was mostly fine. The issue was done and put to bed. Then, they went and made that conspiracy video on the controversy.
Tye The Czar
Member
Jumped ship when he kept ranting against games journalism's coverage of sexism in games.
Doctor Ironic
Member
RLM have always been concerned with being ironically detached to a degree where it hurts their content. "ENDLESS TRASH" is the perfect example of this in how it spurns their responsibility to actually criticize as critics (safely filing away certain movies they're not interested in as "soulless garbage" as if it's impossible that even one person working on them cared about it being good. See also their recent Transformers stunt.) Not to mention that it's not funny, isn't even a joke, and with the amount Mike repeats it in its respective video, reeks of being a forced meme that only lives because of the size of RLM's fan base.
The truth is RLM hasnt been interested in doing actual criticism since the prequel reviews, which themselves have some questionable content. There's no point or insightful criticism to be made by having Mr. Plinkett review Cop Dog. Nobody at the RLM crew really gives a shit about Cop Dog or what they can glean from it. There's no statement to be made about how Cop Dog is secretly a pretty good movie and here's why we like it, or that Cop Dog is actually ideologically insidious, or whatever. It's just useless shitting on a movie nobody cared about.
Half in the Bag is what really killed RLM. When they realized they didn't have to do Plinkett reviews to stay relevant, they changed their entire format to criticism they could do thats equivalent to the conversations you have driving home from the theater. It's much easier to seem like you don't care about anything when you're not asked by your fan base to put thought into anything.
The truth is RLM hasnt been interested in doing actual criticism since the prequel reviews, which themselves have some questionable content. There's no point or insightful criticism to be made by having Mr. Plinkett review Cop Dog. Nobody at the RLM crew really gives a shit about Cop Dog or what they can glean from it. There's no statement to be made about how Cop Dog is secretly a pretty good movie and here's why we like it, or that Cop Dog is actually ideologically insidious, or whatever. It's just useless shitting on a movie nobody cared about.
Half in the Bag is what really killed RLM. When they realized they didn't have to do Plinkett reviews to stay relevant, they changed their entire format to criticism they could do thats equivalent to the conversations you have driving home from the theater. It's much easier to seem like you don't care about anything when you're not asked by your fan base to put thought into anything.
chaobreaker
Member
Exactly, I don't really care if they didn't like the movie or if they were skeptical that it would have been good at all but they crossed the line with that Scientist Man video. Like, Leslie Jones had her nudes leaked and more and less got ran off of Twitter by pedonazi and his alt-right fanboys online but Mike thought it was funny to say hey maybe the studio behind Ghostbusters was engineering the culture/gender wars she and others got involved in for money!
Fuck, it still makes me mad thinking about it.
Choppasmith
Member
Has anything come up from Brentalfloss, you know the Video Game theme WITH LYRICS guy? I remember when he first came up with his songs I thought they were AWESOME. But then he came out with his Tetris song which was just one long "LOL girl gamers are DUMMMMB" joke and a follow-up based on Doctor Mario that was all about "Gay Toads" just really soured me on the guy. I just realized I hadn't heard anything about him in ages. Seemed like one of those "Welp! Not surprised" kind of cases.
What really annoyed me with them recently is when they started going after other Youtube critics like they were better. RLM, like you said, isn't really all that critical and their reviews are pretty basic level, which is totally fine, I don't need everything to be super deep, I can enjoy putting a review with some people just talking about the movie on the background but at least don't pretend like everyone else is shit and you're not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PJePhJY76U
This is more in depth and well done than anything RLM has ever done and the guy didn't even have to resort to trite cynicism and mockery to be able to express his opinion and thoughts on the film.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Well, it wasn't insightful, but it was still funny.
At least I could say that about the review. A lot of the recent stuff that RLM does just feels rehashed and out of touch.
spindashing
Banned
I give him a pass for that, but, I do not give him a pass at all for his 2002 arrest where they found kiddie shit and he explained it off as vintage art.
tonysidaway
Member
He played my least favourite character in Firefly. His role in the final season of Angel at about the same time couldn't exactly have been calculated to endear him to me. Sometimes you assume a certain detachment between the actor and the role, but on this occasion it seems that the actor really is, as you so delicately put it, weird.
Orson Scott Card.
I loved Ender's Game and read most of the Speaker for the Dead and Ender's Shadow series. Then I found out about his ties to the Mormon church and his various anti-gay and other political views and it cast his books in a different light and took away my ability to enjoy them for what they were without constantly thinking of them as Card trying to push some kind of political agenda.
I loved Ender's Game and read most of the Speaker for the Dead and Ender's Shadow series. Then I found out about his ties to the Mormon church and his various anti-gay and other political views and it cast his books in a different light and took away my ability to enjoy them for what they were without constantly thinking of them as Card trying to push some kind of political agenda.
rainking187
Member
I was pretty disappointed when I found out David Boreanaz cheated on his pregnant wife. I loved him on Angel.
ScottSullivan
Member
For me it was probably James Woods, I never followed his career or personal life THAT closely, but hercules was my favorite disney movie, and then you see some of the things he's said and done recently...ugh
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The actual answer is also Card for me. It still fucking makes me angry to think about. Because there are themes in that series that are beautiful and poignant and that aren't expressed in other science fiction nearly often enough. And if you read his short fiction from the 80s (with annotations) he comes off as a very thoughtful, highly religious but also highly respectful man with a seemingly grounded perspective on the role of faith in human life. To have him actually be a huge piece of shit is enormously enraging
Choppasmith
Member
Well the whole thing originated from certain unknown people who would get their 10 minutes of fame from doing something admirable or amazing only for the internet to dig something up on them that instantly turned them into awful people. I'll admit my Brentalfloss mention is a bit of a stretch, but I'd say outside have the right idea behind the post.
Probably not as big a deal to others as it is for me but:
Chuck
-Agreeing with George Zimmerman being not guilty
-Downplaying slavery
-Joking about playing for the KKK
-Dismissing Kaepernick's protest.
-Essentially says "black people we gots to do better" when it comes to police brutality
If it was just one thing it would be whatever but doing all that? Yeah fuck him.
Shaq lost when me when all he had to say when it came to police corruption was that people need to show respect to cops and basically said he has no problems with Donald Trump.
I legit can't even watch Inside the NBA anymore, and that was by far my favorite pregame/postgame sports show. Hell even Ernie Johnson gives me a side eye. I have a lot respect for what he's gone through with cancer and raising his son but him belittling Kaepernick's protest and acting like you have to stand for the flag no matter what...not feeling that.
DriftedPlanet
Unconfirmed Member
Orson Scott Card? That's going to put a damper on my read of the rest of the series.
Card is pretty well known for his homophobic views.
Frozenprince
Banned
God fucking dammit.
Pinko Marx
Banned
There were some accusations against Louis CK that turned out to be false. That's the closest I've gotten to a true Milkshake Duck.
Christian Bale being an angry douchebag bummed me out. Seems like he chilled out in recent years though.
Yeah. This is a big one for me.
Yeah. This is a big one for me.
old manatee
Banned
Pee Wee Herman isn't a Milkshake Duck. Stop it. Stop it right now.
Pretty sure that was just that one recording though. To be honest, it's not even the most unusual stressful outburst albeit still a terrible thing to unleash on your co-workers.
Yeah, eh, I can't really dislike a guy for getting pissed off and yelling at a guy who is distracting you while you work.
Jon tron I loved when he was on Game grumps. Once he left I stopped watching game grumps and his own show got worse. Hearing about his racist remarks was dissapointing.
I use to love Spoony then he stopped being good at making videos.
I still watch everything the Rlm guys make, other than the stuff about the representation not mattering they haven't done anything I found objectionable.
I use to love Spoony then he stopped being good at making videos.
I still watch everything the Rlm guys make, other than the stuff about the representation not mattering they haven't done anything I found objectionable.
Special mention has to go to all the hypocrites who claimed to be for LGBT rights who bought Shadow Complex and/or backed Armikrog on Kickstarter anyway despite knowing OSC/Tennapel's hateful views and connections to homophobic groups.
Nice lack of principles and solidarity from gamers keen to support milkshake ducks even after they've exposed themselves.
Nice lack of principles and solidarity from gamers keen to support milkshake ducks even after they've exposed themselves.
Why does Brandon Sanderson get a pass when he is just OSC lite?
Who?
Really? He is probably the most discussed author on gaf after GRRM.
He's like OSC's understudy.
statham
Member
why don't you just google?
Never heard of him so I have no idea what his views are nor how he is getting a "free pass". I don't know why you quoted me to bring him up.
You seemed quite upset at the community here supporting Card. Many here are. I just find it odd then, that fellow Mormon author Sanderson is still very popular. I didn't realize how little you know or care to learn.
Oh, crap.
Easily Jon Tron.
Every time some bullshit like that comes out I just think about how devastated I would be if Kyle Bosman had some skeletons in his closet, but I doubt that'll happen because he just doesn't seem like that.
The Allies do their best to be positive and avoid the muck, but I do get the feeling that a few of them lean towards the "tired of all this PC stuff" territory. None of them seem to be the type to go all-out right-wing though.
Weapxn
Mikkelsexual
Yeah.
I've been a big Oz fan ever since I was little. When I stumbled upon that bit of info maybe 2 years ago, I was completely floored.
L. Frank Baum Advocated Extermination Of Native Americans
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...m-advocated-extermination-of-native-americans
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