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[EmiPrime]

You seemed quite upset at the community here supporting Card. Many here are. I just find it odd then, that fellow Mormon author Sanderson is still very popular. I didn't realize how little you know.

It's not a genre I read and it's a weird assumption of yours to make that I do. Having researched a bit he's not remotely as bad as OSC.

OSC would never say this:

There are some LGBT characters in your books (Ranette in Wax and Wayne, for instance). Does the fact of being LDS influence in any way how do you present those characters?

My philosophy is to be extra careful that I counter any bias I might have that I might not be noticing. To make sure that LGBT characters are well represented I ask gay people that I know: "Is this working? Am I approaching this right?". I have to trust in them. It's important to me, because a lot of religious people seem to want to ignore that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people exist, which I think is inherently evil. It is immoral to banish an entire group of people, and to pretend that they are not good people with good arguments, and lives and passions. To not represent that in my fiction would be something deeply immoral. I'm not sure if I'm the right person to tell the gay story appropriately, but I certainly should do everything I can to make sure that gay people are represented, because otherwise I would be lying to the world.

 

[Ratrat]

Yeah.

I've been a big Oz fan ever since I was little. When I stumbled upon that bit of info maybe 2 years ago, I was completely floored.

I've read all his Oz books. They basically started my love of reading when I was a kid. Fuck.
He is worse than any cartoon villain he's created.

It's not a genre I read and it's a weird assumption of yours to make that I do. Having researched a bit he's not remotely as bad as OSC.

OSC would never say this:

Card has definitely played the 'I have gay friends and wrote 2 books with sympathetic gay characters'... card.

 

[Order]

I stopped fucking with H3H3 as soon as Ethan started talking about the "SJWs" in every video.

Him being silent during the JonTron thing sealed the deal for me.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

Mine would be R. Kelly. Too young at the time to follow the Aaliyah situation, really liked his music until the pee tape came out. TitC is hilariously dumb but makes my stomach hurt because of how trash he is. The "Pied Piper of R&B" shit was gross as fuck.

 

[EmiPrime]

Card has definitely played the 'I have gay friends and wrote 2 books with sympathetic gay characters'... card.

That statement from Sanderson goes a lot further than that to me and it seems he has done a lot of growing up in the last 10 years but without knowing more about this author who I didn't know existed until 10 minutes ago I can't comment further.

 

[Turin]

Pretty sure that was just that one recording though. To be honest, it's not even the most unusual stressful outburst albeit still a terrible thing to unleash on your co-workers.

Yeah, eh, I can't really dislike a guy for getting pissed off and yelling at a guy who is distracting you while you work.

I agree but it was the only example I could think of besides Tolkien where a famous person I liked really disappointed me.

Thankfully, Bale's offense is surely forgivable.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

I think we're letting the conversation get away from us, particularly on historical figures. Tolkien was mostly a pretty great dude - he was a vocal opponent of the Nazis to the point where he refused to allow a German translation of The Hobbit while they were in power (after the government specifically asked if the author was Aryan before they could release it.) Dude was a peace-loving hippie with big concern for the environment, and denounced racial segregation in South Africa - "The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain."

Tolkien's problem was just that he was a British Christian in the early 1900s. To him, Britain had the best treatment of minorities anyone could imagine, as in he literally could not imagine better because he'd been taught that all his life. It's the same reason you don't see every thread about Wonder Woman devolve into arguing about Gal Gadot's views on Palestine, or why we don't turn every discussion about Jackie Chan into being about his views on Tibet. It sucks and it's wrong, but it's what gets taught to you all your life, and it can't really be helped until vast changes at a systematic level.

This isn't to say we should stop discussing them - the opposite, actually - but it does mean that I'm not willing to consider Tolkien as a disappointment because he had some fucked-up caricatures of Asians as compared to someone like JonTron outright saying that black people are genetically more predisposed to committing crimes.

 

[Ratrat]

That statement from Sanderson goes a lot further than that to me and it seems he has done a lot of growing up in the last 10 years but without knowing more about this author who I didn't know existed until 10 minutes ago I can't comment further.

Sure.
Sanderson is pretty progressive as he can be while being Mormon. Perhaps his lukewarm style will actually help fellow Christians act more civil and slowly change too.

 

[Snarky(HEART)]

I think we're letting the conversation get away from us, particularly on historical figures. Tolkien was mostly a pretty great dude - he was a vocal opponent of the Nazis to the point where he refused to allow a German translation of The Hobbit while they were in power (after the government specifically asked if the author was Aryan before they could release it.) Dude was a peace-loving hippie with big concern for the environment, and denounced racial segregation in South Africa - "The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain."

Tolkien's problem was just that he was a British Christian in the early 1900s. To him, Britain had the best treatment of minorities anyone could imagine, as in he literally could not imagine better because he'd been taught that all his life. It's the same reason you don't see every thread about Wonder Woman devolve into arguing about Gal Gadot's views on Palestine, or why we don't turn every discussion about Jackie Chan into being about his views on Tibet. It sucks and it's wrong, but it's what gets taught to you all your life, and it can't really be helped until vast changes at a systematic level.

This isn't to say we should stop discussing them - the opposite, actually - but it does mean that I'm not willing to consider Tolkien as a disappointment because he had some fucked-up caricatures of Asians as compared to someone like JonTron outright saying that black people are genetically more predisposed to committing crimes.

But that's literally what this thread is about, our heroes and celebrities we like that ended up having shitty beliefs.

It's entirely possible and even likely that Tolkien also believe the black people were genetically more predisposed to committing crimes.

 

[yuoke]

Oh Tim Allen is another good one.

I honestly didn't know he was republican (or a trump supporter) until his show was canned recently. I obviously love toy story, I love galaxy quest, and some other movies with him.

Although christmas with the cranks is ass, so it makes me feel less bothered.

 

[Astral/H3X]

Chalk another one for JonTron.

I don't use Twitter like, at all, so I only saw that there was a thread here on GAF. Opened it up, got just far enough in to realize that the thread title wasn't fucking around, and closed it. I don't even know his actual comments. Jon basically died to me on that day. Not in a, angry I hate him way, just... Haven't seen a single video since. I even told myself that I would try to separate the art from the artist, but I just have no desire. Sucked right out of me.

A shame, because his channel was more or less why I bothered to sign into YouTube.

 

[rudger]

I give him a pass for that, but, I do not give him a pass at all for his 2002 arrest where they found kiddie shit and he explained it off as vintage art.

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought that was thrown out because it was a collection of vintage gay porn magazines which had advertisements featuring half naked little boys (which at the time of publication was not illegal). I don't believe he was collecting kiddie porn. It is just a reality of collecting vintage material.

Also, thanks everybody for ruining the wizard of oz.

And I was super confused when I was introduced to the gamer gate nonsense when I saw some headline about Adam Baldwin talking video games, thought "oh cool I like that guy's work" and listened to it in the background. After a little while..."what the fuck?" Rewound. Listened again. Was even more confused. Came onto gaf to figure out what the hell was going on and then was sad...

 

[Alcotholic]

But that's literally what this thread is about, our heroes and celebrities we like that ended up having shitty beliefs.

It's entirely possible and even likely that Tolkien also believe the black people were genetically more predisposed to committing crimes.

He had shitty racist beliefs. But It was also 80 years ago when that sort of opinion was more widely held. I don't find it that surprising or upsetting.

 

[DriftedPlanet]

Card is pretty well known for his homophobic views.

First I've heard it but I bought his books from the bookstore on a whim and never ventured into his history.

Good one. The sad irony is that he's now an actual case of edgy humour being used for irony purposes (primarily in his general aesthetic), vs all the milkshake ducks out there. So it's easy to lump him into the wrong crowd before realising he is basically against everything that crowd stands for.

I'm really glad that Jim does what he does. I appreciate his reviews too but the commentary on industry bs with his various personas tend to add or startup discussion. I find the smaller gestures endearing too, like when he re-uploaded that video a few weeks back to erase a contact email because people were A) being hateful and B) not even realizing that they were spamming the devs who Jim was defending. He gave those people shit for a while.

Poppy being alt right

Poppy android girl having alt-right ties and Ace of Base having low key white nationalist lyrics are defo some of those unexpected milkshake ducks.

What's that about? (Poppy being alt-right)

Not the same but

Louis Rossmann is low key libertarian.

It definitely isn't the same but I've noticed that too. Eli the computer guy kinda gives off that vibe too, though his content is pretty easy to pass on based on its content alone. ('Make a video every day even if you can't find a good topic' turns out to be really hit or miss.)

To buck the trend of this thread a bit, I'd like to nominate someone from the left side of politics: Cenk from The Young Turks.

The sheer amount of conspiracy theories, denialism and straight up economic ignorance they spread in the name of liberalism is fucking nuts. They're barely journalists to begin with and they regularly discuss Trump's attacks on fake news with exactly zero self-awareness. They're the same breed of personality/pundit driven media bubbles that other anti-establishment whackos like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones occupy.

Not a milkshake duck for me personally but my mom watched their stuff for a few weeks. I really can't stand their stuff. Nothing ever seems to have a grey area with him.

Yeah, he's a huge Trump stan

He's probably my milkshake duck. I used to really like Dilbert

Damn.

As I said in the Robinson thread, I'm just waiting for everyone involved with video games without actually being involved in the dev process to be secretly awful except, ironically, Jim Sterling. And probably Continue?, Retsupurae, or Super Bunnyhop. I'm, like, 99% certain Dunkey's going to get in a controversy soon.

Why Dunkey? Is it because he's buds with Ethan (h3) and Jontron? I feel like I'm missing some context.

Has James Rolfe (AVGN?) ever really had a milkshake duck moment?

Quality of his videos aside, he seems to be the one YouTube star who has avoided drama despite being around so long and seemingly starting the whole "hot takes" genre---I don't recall him particularly taking a side during GamerGate, which might bother some people since you could see him as ignoring the issue, but as far as I know he's never gone on record with any extremely offensive statements has he? I mean poop and over-the-top shit jokes, but nothing outright sexist or racist?

I'm about 99% sure Rolfe doesn't even pay attention to things like gamer-gate. Sometimes it seems like he doesn't even play video games or even know whats going on when it comes to the Internet.

I kinda hope you're right. I've watched his stuff off and on since it was part of ScrewAttack on GameTrailers.

I stopped fucking with H3H3 as soon as Ethan started talking about the "SJWs" in every video.

Him being silent during the JonTron thing sealed the deal for me.

I had to stop watching him after, like you said, he gave his platform to awful people. He grew his bran on just making silly videos and calling out shitty people, but then he started to just be friends and allow these shitty people to spread their shittiness, and would either not call out his friends or would defend them.

Ethan now is the type of person Ethan would've made a video about 2 years ago.

He seems to be trying to host both sides by inviting the shitty people (he used to call out) directly to his podcast. The silence re: Jon is also bad even though Jon was the one who gave them their start (by hiring Hila as a video editor). I'm still (barely) on the fence with them but they've been getting worse for a while.

Sigh, yes. Though, I loved him first in Chuck. He played the same type of guy too.

I liked Casey a lot, my parents did too. Sucks that he's a GG'er.

Just thought of a good one - Dr. Seuss. He cheated on his cancer-ridden wife who already had a history of mental illness and depression until she eventually killed herself. Bad form, Ted.

He also produced racist propoganda against the Japanese during WW2.

There's been a few milkshake duck moments for me lately:

- Laci Green - I loved her work on feminism and her critques were interesting. But as soon as she got "red-pilled" I just saw her betraying her ideals for the sake of support from the community that ripped into her for years. Damned shame.

Did this come out of her starting to date that alt-right-rumored guy Chris ray gun? Hadn't heard about it.

do you think the mods change the title of the thread to read "(Milkshake Duck incarnate)" for no specific reason? i'll even do the legwork for you, enjoy. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1389528

Damn, this game had a great art style too.

L. Frank Baum

Creator of The Wizard of Oz

Called for the genocide of Native Americans

Yeah.

I've been a big Oz fan ever since I was little. When I stumbled upon that bit of info maybe 2 years ago, I was completely floored.

L. Frank Baum Advocated Extermination Of Native Americans
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...m-advocated-extermination-of-native-americans

Damn, this thread is informative but disheartening.

Thanks for bringing a little humor to the thread, that fits pretty well.

Edit: Apologies for the length of this post, I just wanted to reply to a bunch of people itt and squashed it into one post.

 

[wandering]

I think we're letting the conversation get away from us, particularly on historical figures. Tolkien was mostly a pretty great dude - he was a vocal opponent of the Nazis to the point where he refused to allow a German translation of The Hobbit while they were in power (after the government specifically asked if the author was Aryan before they could release it.) Dude was a peace-loving hippie with big concern for the environment, and denounced racial segregation in South Africa - "The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain."

Tolkien's problem was just that he was a British Christian in the early 1900s. To him, Britain had the best treatment of minorities anyone could imagine, as in he literally could not imagine better because he'd been taught that all his life. It's the same reason you don't see every thread about Wonder Woman devolve into arguing about Gal Gadot's views on Palestine, or why we don't turn every discussion about Jackie Chan into being about his views on Tibet. It sucks and it's wrong, but it's what gets taught to you all your life, and it can't really be helped until vast changes at a systematic level.

This isn't to say we should stop discussing them - the opposite, actually - but it does mean that I'm not willing to consider Tolkien as a disappointment because he had some fucked-up caricatures of Asians as compared to someone like JonTron outright saying that black people are genetically more predisposed to committing crimes.

I mean, re: Gal Gadot or Jackie Chan, that stuff comes up a lot actually...

 

[enzo_gt]

Been thinking about this thread a lot and it finally hit me: Mother Teresa.

Someone who is literally synonymous with doing good actually has a lengthy history of accounts of her cruelty and manipulation of the poor and sick, using others' suffering as sustenance for her religious beliefs and fervor, threatening the disenfranchised into baptism or else they'll go to hell, spreading stories about divine healing that were misled medically, having questionable financial ties and practices, the list goes on.

Again, this is someone who is pretty much built into the english language as being the shining example of being a good person, and is the damn polar opposite of such in actuality.

 

[Mesoian]

Special mention has to go to all the hypocrites who claimed to be for LGBT rights who bought Shadow Complex and/or backed Armikrog on Kickstarter anyway despite knowing OSC/Tennapel's hateful views and connections to homophobic groups.

Nice lack of principles and solidarity from gamers keen to support milkshake ducks even after they've exposed themselves.

I won't lie,I donated 20 to an lgbt organization once I realized how terrible card was. Did it again for my Advent rising purchase.

 

[Hopeford]

Sure.
Sanderson is pretty progressive as he can be while being Mormon. Perhaps his lukewarm style will actually help fellow Christians act more civil and slowly change too.

Sanderson's views keep changing over the years and leaning more and more progressive. He's still Mormon, so there are things to keep in mind but...he also constantly admits to things like male privilege existing(as well as the fact he benefits from it), discrimination against LGBT people and trying to make things work out.

He's not perfect, but he's a very empathetic guy who tries to compromise as much he can and evolves his views throughout the years. I can honestly respect that a lot, even if I still disagree with some of his views, because he's the kind of person dialogue isn't wasted on and always tries hard to show empathy when saying things.

 

[akira28]

What's that about? (Poppy being alt-right.

*shrug*

I just remember reading something about her musical manager/mentor discoverer person dude had tried this online android girl thing with someone some years back with limited success. And he was the alt-right one or something. Poppy is just following orders. Or something. I can't recall.

 

[Lucky Seven]

My biggest favorites have never been revealed to be shitheads. It's no surprise that the celebs that are the most invading of your media and garner attention massively turn out to be milkshake ducks. "Why do I keep hearing of this guy lately"... few months later... "____ is a fucking asshole"... "Well I heard of that dude, looks I was right not watch more of him/her".

 

[Poppy]

if that other one turns out to be bad, you all still have this one

 

[Psychoward]

I stopped fucking with H3H3 as soon as Ethan started talking about the "SJWs" in every video.

Him being silent during the JonTron thing sealed the deal for me.

yup

 

[cordy]

Hulk Hogan.

Hollywood Hogan was dope, WWF/E Hogan was dope but man once that shit came out nah son. I can't do it anymore. As a black man who loves wrestling, hearing that hurt me like fuck.

 

[Trouble]

*shrug*

I just remember reading something about her musical manager/mentor discoverer person dude had tried this online android girl thing with someone some years back with limited success. And he was the alt-right one or something. Poppy is just following orders. Or something. I can't recall.

Wait, Poppy is a musician? I thought it was just a weird existential dread youtube channel done by Super Deluxe.

 

[SaikyoBro]

Has anything come up from Brentalfloss, you know the Video Game theme WITH LYRICS guy? I remember when he first came up with his songs I thought they were AWESOME. But then he came out with his Tetris song which was just one long "LOL girl gamers are DUMMMMB" joke and a follow-up based on Doctor Mario that was all about "Gay Toads" just really soured me on the guy. I just realized I hadn't heard anything about him in ages. Seemed like one of those "Welp! Not surprised" kind of cases.

Nah, I haven't been a fan of his for some time but even when he was just starting he would make his progressive views pretty clear (I remember the Gay Toad song in question having an annotation at the end mentioning that he's very pro-equality). Some of his earlier videos may have been in pretty poor taste but you have to keep in mind they're from 8 or 9 years ago at this point, web content in general had lower standards back then. He's always seemed like a pretty decent guy.

I can't really think of any examples of my own, other than maybe when I was on the receiving end of the whole PaRappa voice actor scam thing. He wasn't a role model of mine or anything but he seemed like a really genuine dude that had a lot of positive interaction with the fanbase. :[

 

[akira28]

Wait, Poppy is a musician? I thought it was just a weird existential dread youtube channel done by Super Deluxe.

Poppy, also known as That Poppy, is an American singer, songwriter, ambient music composer and YouTube personality portrayed by Moriah Pereira

I guess she could be both. But not by Super Deluxe. By some dude named Titanic Sinclair.

 

[Glass Shark]

I stopped fucking with H3H3 as soon as Ethan started talking about the "SJWs" in every video.

Him being silent during the JonTron thing sealed the deal for me.

he's pretty much always been that way, though. it was very obvious to me. I was always baffled that seemingly progressive people liked his channel so much.

 

[Orb]

Plague of Gripes

I'm a huge Super Best Friend's Zaibatsu fan and for awhile was interested on Plague because of how often they'd bring him up

Turns out he got his fans to say "faggot" as an injoke and defended it(While also being an aggressive "im right, youre wrong" asshole to people rightfully offended) by saying it's not a slur its a cigarette

he's a goddamn southern American, and we all know what the only fags they know are

So now it makes me extra uncomfortable whenever they bring him up, as if he isn't a homophobe

Spoiler

Paige also rubs me the wrong way with how she went after Anita and appeared on an altright podcast

Really at this point I'm lowkey prepared for Pat to end up a Milkshake Duck. Woolie, Liam, and Mat have never given me any red flags, quite the opposite honestly with Liam and Mat.

 

[Permanently A]

Zakir Naik's Peace TV propagates Wahabi school of islam, which is ultra conservative and obviously you know that terrorists/extremists are big fans of ever since Saudi Arabia's nomadic wahabbism. Saudi Arabia gave him one of their highest awards for service to Islam. Peace TV is Saudi-funded. He is very wishy washy when asked if he is Wahabi but he says he's Wahabi if it means he's just a muslim. Then there's the obvious homophobia, he doesn't believe a person can be born a homosexual, that it has to be a choice. "Because they've broken the law of Almighty God, and they do unnatural things, that's how psychologically they become a homosexual...It's a sin, it's a crime, it will not take you to Heaven, it will take you to Hell". Zero empathy for LGBT muslims. The homophobia is not unique among Islamic scholars/preachers but it was a very disappointing reveal.

Thanks for the reply, its good to have this knowledge.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Mamamoo. They can't stop getting into racist controversies. Hwasa saying the n-bomb when covering Beyonce (especially since the most well-known version doesn't have it) and then their blackface shenanigans, just maaaan. It's such a shame because I love their overall vibe and some of their material, but the fact that it keeps happening is pretty tough to brush off.

 

[Zubz]

Why Dunkey? Is it because he's buds with Ethan (h3) and Jontron? I feel like I'm missing some context.

Among others; he also does a lot of stuff with Sky (Notorious GamerGater) & hasn't commented on any of it.

More importantly, he casually uses a variety of slurs for shock value, including using a homophobic slur recently in a stream. He also bases his entire persona on being rude & obnoxious, to the point I think that's just how he acts.

 

[IrishNinja]

notch & others here were good picks...i'm occasionally worried my dude Mark from Classic Game Room will slip up on some old white dude SJW type shit but nothing ive seen so far thankfully

Oh man! That's a good one, ceelo ended up being a total scum bag.

oh man what was the deal with him again? loved goodie mob

 

[17 Seconds]

i don't care about this guy so he's not milkshake duck for me, but it's weird how i haven't seen anybody talk about the accusations against danny masterson when him or that dumb netflix show is brought up. they were pretty heinous allegations, but there's been like no talk of it. i know he's not exactly a big star, but still.

 

[Orb]

i don't care about this guy so he's not milkshake duck for me, but it's weird how i haven't seen anybody talk about the accusations against danny masterson when him or that dumb netflix show is brought up. they were pretty heinous allegations, but there's been like no talk of it. i know he's not exactly a big star, but still.

Wait, what allegations? I loved him as Hyde I've heard nothing about him in years besides seeing a trailer for the netflix show.

 

[Easy_D]

notch & others here were good picks...i'm occasionally worried my dude Mark from Classic Game Room will slip up on some old white dude SJW type shit but nothing ive seen so far thankfully



oh man what was the deal with him again? loved goodie mob

Truxton occupies too much of Mark's mind to leave room for hate, I'd think.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I do believe in the "separate the art from the artist" mantra to some degree, but I feel like there's a difference between someone like Orson Scott Card having shitty views and JonTron.

You can read Ender's Game without ever even thinking about the author. JonTron's personality is at the front and center of all his reviews and tries really hard to be like your best friend.

So I feel like this phenomena tends to hurt entertainers more. Authors, it's easier to ignore. I'd say the same thing with actors, when they're pretending to be other people. You might never want to see a Michael Richards standup routine ever again, but you can still laugh at Kramer's wacky adventures in Seinfeld reruns.
But the rise of YouTube, streaming etc. seems to give way more people a platform for what are basically extended comedy sketches with them as the star, so this will probably become more common.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Among others; he also does a lot of stuff with Sky (Notorious GamerGater) & hasn't commented on any of it.

More importantly, he casually uses a variety of slurs for shock value, including using a homophobic slur recently in a stream. He also bases his entire persona on being rude & obnoxious, to the point I think that's just how he acts.

The way he comes across in the videos he does with Leah give me some hope, at least.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I'm drunk so what's a milkshake duck

Woodhouse!?

 

[Seventy70]

I'll also add Dan Simmons, the author of the Hyperion Cantos series. Apparently, he's turned into a massive bigot over the years.

 

[Fudgepuppy]

The RLM guys will occasionally say things that make me wonder about them, Rich in particular. On a recent stream he was downplaying the impact of Wonder Woman because girls already had Ripley to look up to, which kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Jack seems like a pretty cool dude, though.

If RLM are a part of the asshole movement, they're pretty aware of the importance of keeping it low key.

Some of their stuff and comments feel a bit dog whistle'y, but Jay and Jack seem like rational and kind people, whereas Mike and Rich are just more of the pragmatical sci-fi clique that sees everything as grey and neutral.

Whenever they've said something stupid though, I didn't really get any feeling of malice, so there's that.

 

[Digital Snake]

Nick Robinson being a milkshake duck is one that kinda hurts a lot at the moment. Like, stuff he's created with Griffin McElroy over the last year or two has been really important for me and has brought me so much joy, to find out that he's been using that public persona, that wholesome, inclusive image of himself that he'd created and the fanbase he's helped build up for that work to give himself power over people, to (by all accounts) be a gross dehumanizing horny creepo and harass people and know that there's nothing his victims are able to do about it because of the power people like me gave him, shit man.

Hell, I modelled my fucking hair after him. Christ.

Exactly this, you said it better than I could. I did my hair like that too.

 

[MarionCB]

I guess she could be both. But not by Super Deluxe. By some dude named Titanic Sinclair.

I don't know what the truth is but I randomly saw a Titanic Sinclair video about Caitlyn Jenner that was pretty damn transphobic. People were defending it as ironic or that Titanic is trans too (apparently?) or the fact there's enough to criticise Caitlyn Jenner for but it really just seemed pretty straightforward whataboutism and transphobia. And the comments were filled with the usual sort feeling validated.

So yeah, I hope not about Poppy but I could believe it about Titanic.

 

[Zero315]

Mamamoo. They can't stop getting into racist controversies. Hwasa saying the n-bomb when covering Beyonce (especially since the most well-known version doesn't have it) and then their blackface shenanigans, just maaaan. It's such a shame because I love their overall vibe and some of their material, but the fact that it keeps happening is pretty tough to brush off.

What?! Nooooo nononono! Fuck, I love Mamamoo and Hwasa and I've never heard about this.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I don't even know his actual comments.

He literally went on a no-holds-barred Nazi rant in a two hour interview. He went as far as to imply that African-Americans need to be killed, and then when the interviewee asked if that's where he was going, Jafari turned it around and tried to make the interviewee sound like he wanted to kill blacks.

He said a lot more, like foreigners dilute the gene pool, and that the founding fathers were of "good stock" (that one was Twitter).

 

[Fudgepuppy]

Re: RedLetterMedia - I stopped watching when they defended Daniel Tosh for making rape jokes. Not even defending Daniel tosh actually, so much as defending the very concept of rape jokes. https://youtube.com/watch?v=pxfDnq9ORIs

I gave them another chance with their Force Awakens Plinkett review and the second he started complaining there was too much diversity in the movie I regretted ever doing so.

Well to be frank, you can technically joke about everything, and you should be allowed to.

Doesn't mean you should though. Few comedians can nail a joke dealing with rape, and most should stay away from it if they can't stick the landing.

Mike has also on several occasions said pretty progressive things about diversity in movies, applauding movies for dealing with it appropriately. His criticism for TFA was that it was perceived as very calculated on Lucasfilm's end when looking at the circumstances of how Lucasfilm and Disney are approaching the franchise.

I don't really agree with him, but it's not really fair to say that he bashes movies for having diversity.

 

[besada]

That's really fucked up. I'm sorry to hear that.

It was really just weird and out of nowhere. He was in the process of signing a copy of his western, Rio for me when he said it. I was so flustered (and i was fifteen) that I said, "No, sir." He finished signing and walked off.

But at the same con I met and got to talk to Neil Gaiman for nearly thirty minutes. Sandman has just come out (like second issue) so he wasn't famous enough to get swamped. And I also got Matt Wagner to sign my collector's edition Mage Vol 2 with a badass Edsel sketch, so it was still a pretty good experience.

 

[TheOGB]

I think JonTron and Bill Cosby cover both ends of the celebrity spectrum pretty well.

Doug Wildey, the guy who is responsible for Johnny Quest. I met him at a con. I had an earring in. He asked me if I was some sort of queer boy.

Ugh, it's always worse when it's personal like this

 

[Feep]

Laci Green - I loved her work on feminism and her critques were interesting. But as soon as she got "red-pilled" I just saw her betraying her ideals for the sake of support from the community that ripped into her for years. Damned shame.

This is pretty ridiculous. I don't know if I fully agree with her, but despite the terminology used, she's only been professing that listening to opposing arguments and attempting to defeat them in reasoned debate is better than dismissively shutting them down altogether.

I agree that I think in some cases this isn't warranted (like with Milo), but to say she's "betraying her ideals" or is comparable to almost anyone else mentioned in this thread is fairly ludicrous.

 

[Zoggy]

Tldr all you tubers are shit

 

[Jangowuzhere]

Mike has also on several occasions said pretty progressive things about diversity in movies, applauding movies for dealing with it appropriately. His criticism for TFA was that it was perceived as very calculated on Lucasfilm's end when looking at the circumstances of how Lucasfilm and Disney are approaching the franchise.

I don't really agree with him, but it's not really fair to say that he bashes movies for having diversity.

It's not so much that he bashes diversity, it's the fact that he says that no one really cares about it. How does he know that? He claims that all kids would go see Star Wars anyway even if it didn't have diversity. How does he know that? He just makes absurd leaps in logic to make a point, but he doesn't have any kind of evidence to back up his statements.
He also basically compares the people clamoring for diversity in films to the same idiots who boycott these films for having diversity. It's a bunch bullshit.

RLM had some amazing and smart commentary about the first six Star Wars movies, their Force Awakens review doesn't really have anything. It's just a bunch of rambling nonsense that any other random Youtuber could make.