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Zelda timeline exists, Skyward Sword before Ocarina

POWERSPHERE said:
It's official. Zelda makes peole crazy.
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Who is this Peolé you speak of?

Boney said:
How come one line is so lonely?
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No idea. Ask Aonuma.

yencid said:
so is the hero of SS the same hero that was talked about in minish cap? (the original hero of time)
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The hero talked about in TMC was the Hero of Men, and no, probably not. HoM was either ST Link or one of his successors.
 
Max said:
What difference does this make? Serious question.

Do we even know the story in Skyward Sword???
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I just want to see good wii motion + combat and non-retarded puzzles.
 
Max said:
What difference does this make? Serious question.

Do we even know the story in Skyward Sword???
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Link likes to party up in the clouds. He wears goggles and jumps down to hyrule to party down there as well. There are other party dudes as well..
 
Guevara said:
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I just want to see good wii motion + combat and non-retarded puzzles.
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For real. I'm just wondering because of the people being shocked about it on the first page
 
Sooo when are we going to get an official sequel. I've had it with the prequels. For example give me a Zelda where people are well aware of the legend of the hero, and then Gannon or what ever evil emerges and the hero never shows up. Fast forward ten years later the hero finally emerges in a world that has gotten used tyranny, pessimism, and not believing in hope. Your "job" is to help people believe in hope once more.
 
ProtomanNeo said:
Sooo when are we going to get an official sequel. I've had it with the prequels. For example give me a Zelda where people are well aware of the legend of the hero, and then Gannon or what ever evil emerges and the hero never shows up. Fast forward ten years later the hero finally emerges in a world that has gotten used tyranny, pessimism, and not believing in hope. Your "job" is to help people believe in hope once more.
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So.... Windwaker?

Oh wait, forgot that it doesn't have enough grimdark even though technically those folks all got drowned in a colossal deluge quite some time before the start of the game.
 
ProtomanNeo said:
Sooo when are we going to get an official sequel. I've had it with the prequels. For example give me a Zelda where people are well aware of the legend of the hero, and then Gannon or what ever evil emerges and the hero never shows up. Fast forward ten years later the hero finally emerges in a world that has gotten used tyranny, pessimism, and not believing in hope. Your "job" is to help people believe in hope once more.
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Official sequel to what? AoL?

Also, what you just described was like the whole plot of OoT.

EDIT: And Wind Waker. Can't believe I forgot that.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
You know they love doing it, but I don't think they like being painted into a corner by the continuity.

By the way, just for kicks and giggles, my current idea of what the complete continuity looks like is:

...................(TBF->CCTBToL->FPTRR)
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.................WW/TT/PH->ST->TMC->FS/FSA->ALttP/AST/OoS/OoA/LA->LoZ-AoL
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SS->OoT<
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.................MM->TP/LCT

BS LoZ and Game & Watch Zelda were re-imaginings of LoZ, so I haven't included them here. If you think they're canon, substitute them for LoZ.

The Tingle games cause all sorts of problems, but since FPTRR obviously sits on the adult timeline, I have them branching off from there.
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One problem that is immediately apparent is that the Oracles can't follow from LttP with the same Link/Zelda, as you seem to imply. Zelda introduces herself to Link in the in-game dialogue, so they can't have ever met before. Replace the '/' before OoS with a '->' and I can agree with that interpretation, though. LA can still be placed after ALttP/AST or the Oracles, it works either way.
 
Clipper said:
One problem that is immediately apparent is that the Oracles can't follow from LttP with the same Link/Zelda, as you seem to imply. Zelda introduces herself to Link in the in-game dialogue, so they can't have ever met before. Replace the '/' before OoS with a '->' and I can agree with that interpretation, though. LA can still be placed after ALttP/AST or the Oracles, it works either way.
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AST makes a connection between ALttP and LA, which is why I don't like separating them.

I interpret her "Your name is Link, right?" as a lack of familiarity with Link and wanting a confirmation of who he was, not necessarily an indication of them having never met. Maybe despite the events of ALttP, they never built up any sort of rapport? If Link left Hyrule shortly after the events of ALttP, it's possible that she started to forget what he looked like and wanted to confirm that he was the boy she was looking for in OoS/OoA.

Unfortunately, the fact is that Flagship goofed and Nintendo never picked up on it.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
AST makes a connection between ALttP and LA, which is why I don't like separating them.

I interpret her "Your name is Link, right?" as a lack of familiarity with Link and wanting a confirmation of who he was, not necessarily an indication of them having never met. Maybe despite the events of ALttP, they never built up any sort of rapport? If Link left Hyrule shortly after the events of ALttP, it's possible that she started to forget what he looked like and wanted to confirm that he was the boy she was looking for in OoS/OoA.

Unfortunately, the fact is that Flagship goofed and Nintendo never picked up on it.
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Yeah, it was that line. I just went and found it in a text dump:

Thank you for rescuing me. My name is Zelda. You are Link, right? I knew it at first glance. Take this as thanks for rescuing me.

Even if Zelda has somehow forgotten the face of the boy who saved her (several times) and Hyrule, that dialogue would seem odd. She both introduces herself and checks who he is, which indicates she expects him not to know who she is either. It's almost impossible that they would both forget each other.

Is there any problem with breaking them into their own offshoot, then? ->ALttP/AST/LA->OoS/OoA-> seems to fit both our arguments...
 
I was always convinced that FS/FSA were the same event, in two timelines. ie, one timeline has Ganon, while the other doesn't, because Ganondorf never achieves his monster form in the kid link timeline.
 
A Link to the Snitch said:
I was always convinced that FS/FSA were the same event, in two timelines. ie, one timeline has Ganon, while the other doesn't, because Ganondorf never achieves his monster form in the kid link timeline.
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It works, but it works better if you put TMC before OoT. The quote in the OP doesn't support this notion all that well.

I do think, on the other hand, that the Dark Mirror in FSA is the Mirror of Twilight on a different timeline.

Clipper said:
Yeah, it was that line. I just went and found it in a text dump:

Thank you for rescuing me. My name is Zelda. You are Link, right? I knew it at first glance. Take this as thanks for rescuing me.

Even if Zelda has somehow forgotten the face of the boy who saved her (several times) and Hyrule, that dialogue would seem odd. She both introduces herself and checks who he is, which indicates she expects him not to know who she is either. It's almost impossible that they would both forget each other.

Is there any problem with breaking them into their own offshoot, then? ->ALttP/AST/LA->OoS/OoA-> seems to fit both our arguments...
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There's no real issue with it since the chronology doesn't depend on them being the same Link and Zelda. Either way works because both ALttP and the Oracles set things up nicely for LA.

I'll continue to think it's a mistake on Flagship's part, but I won't argue that there aren't compelling reasons to think otherwise.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
It works, but it works better if you put TMC before OoT. The quote in the OP doesn't support this notion all that well.

I do think, on the other hand, that the Dark Mirror in FSA is the Mirror of Twilight on a different timeline.


There's no real issue with it since the chronology doesn't depend on them being the same Link and Zelda. Either way works because both ALttP and the Oracles set things up nicely for LA.

I'll continue to think it's a mistake on Flagship's part, but I won't argue that there aren't compelling reasons to think otherwise.
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I always like to think of it as Link or the hero is always the same person, he is just reincarnated every time there is a problem. Same with Zelda.
 
i believe this so-called 'master document' is just a loosely connected string of ideas and proposed game ideas.

nintendo is full of shit.
 
Reading over this thread it confuses me why people get so angry about the timeline. It really is one of those things that is very easy to ignore if you're not interested. Also the timeline is ultra simple, as long as you only consider OOT and its direct sequels. All the other zelda games exist in their own separate universes. That is the best way to solve the whole timeline issue. Anyone agree?
 
EmCeeGramr said:
SILENCE YOU!

Quality voice work for a game of Zelda's size costs more than Nintendo is willing to go, and they know fans will defend it and/or won't care because of nostalgia and some entirely false belief born from historical revision that the limited/nonexistent voice acting in NES/SNES/N64 games is due to some conscious design choice about "the nature of Zelda" and not memory and cost limitations.
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Well, you're actually kind of right. Starfox 64 was a Nintendo game and had Voice Acting.
 
Tathanen said:
I had thought about that at some point. It is certainly possible! Maybe they'll tie it into the Master Sword origin story, make it so the girl-sword sacrifices herself into an eternally sealed state to lock off the Sacred Realm after those pre-Twili tried to get in.

Though it's usually best to NOT expect a game to be something that explains anything else, that's how I got myself disappointed in Twilight Princess['s plot]. And Spirit Tracks, to a degree.
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I was thinking that the story of skyward sword would be that Link would have to go down to the world below (hyrule) for some reason. There he meets some strange men and they take him to a bar. They tell him about their problems and how they are trying to help the world, so he decides to help them out. Towards the end of the game he finds out they were actually the bad guys all along because they reveal themselves to be the dark sorcerers (pre twili) who were talked about in the freaky cutscene. They just used Link to get the triforce. Epic battle ensues and Link saves the day and locks these bastards up in the twilight realm. The end.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
It works, but it works better if you put TMC before OoT. The quote in the OP doesn't support this notion all that well.

I do think, on the other hand, that the Dark Mirror in FSA is the Mirror of Twilight on a different timeline.


There's no real issue with it since the chronology doesn't depend on them being the same Link and Zelda. Either way works because both ALttP and the Oracles set things up nicely for LA.

I'll continue to think it's a mistake on Flagship's part, but I won't argue that there aren't compelling reasons to think otherwise.
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I don't dispute that; TMC leads to both. It makes more sense for these two similar events to be the same event in different incarnations.
 
Regardless, all Zelda games have the same basic story. It is a repeated legend. Such "mentioned time line" won't matter for us gamers.
 
The last time I delved into this bullshit was around the time Twilight Princess was released, and now I'm informed that Minish Cap isn't close to being the first game in the series. I can't fucking keep up with this nonsense.

Can anyone give me a quick overview of the commonly accepted timeline now that we have an idea of where Skyward Sword is?
 
cantona222 said:
Regardless, all Zelda games have the same basic story. It is a repeated legend. Such "mentioned time line" won't matter for us gamers.
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I'm so sick of reading this.. But I agree that the time line really doesn't matter to most gamers.
 
Pre said:
The last time I delved into this bullshit was around the time Twilight Princess was released, and now I'm informed that Minish Cap isn't close to being the first game in the series. I can't fucking keep up with this nonsense.

Can anyone give me a quick overview of the commonly accepted timeline now that we have an idea of where Skyward Sword is?
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Capcom wanted TMC to be first, but Nintendo decided against it at the last minute. Since the US was getting the DS before Christmas 2004 and Europe wasn't, so Europe was getting TMC that Christmas. They rushed the localisation with an unfinished script that had all that stuff in it.

This is one of the more popular orderings (with Tingle games included). There are also child timeline heavy orderings, but they're espoused by crazy people who used to believe that there wasn't a split timeline.
 
I find the idea that the Oracle games somehow merged the split timelines so that LttP/LA/LoZ/AoL followed on from both personally appealing, but I admit there isn't much evidence for it.
 
I do find it interesting that the vague timeline that the stories follow is in reverse order of the games' release.

Almost all fan timelines place the NES games at the end, while each new game goes further BACK in the timeline, explaining the Zelda mainstays. Like the green hat, Ganon's form, Triforce, etc.

I can't think of any other storytelling that seems to have reverse chronology to that degree.
 
Didn't Miyamoto deny the existence of a timeline a few years ago? Oh well, I alwsys thought there was one. Who doesn't by now?
 
Londa said:
Now I really want to play TP.
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Don't. It's OoT 2.0, but long, boring and no charm. I forced myself to beat it. A pure uninspired rehash. It made me want Nintendo to put the franchise on hiatus, so they could come out with a new one later, without it being stale.
 
Pre said:
The last time I delved into this bullshit was around the time Twilight Princess was released, and now I'm informed that Minish Cap isn't close to being the first game in the series. I can't fucking keep up with this nonsense.

Can anyone give me a quick overview of the commonly accepted timeline now that we have an idea of where Skyward Sword is?
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Just only include OOT and its sequels and its not so confusing. Do you want to fit every single game into the timeline?
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Capcom wanted TMC to be first, but Nintendo decided against it at the last minute. Since the US was getting the DS before Christmas 2004 and Europe wasn't, so Europe was getting TMC that Christmas. They rushed the localisation with an unfinished script that had all that stuff in it.
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The scenario was the first thing FLAGSHIP always finished when it was developing games, it was a screenwriter company. Do you honestly believe that the references of TMC being the first game slipped by Nintendo's approval? Because of rushed localization?
 
Prime Blue said:
The scenario was the first thing FLAGSHIP always finished when it was developing games, it was a screenwriter company. Do you honestly believe that the references of TMC being the first game slipped by Nintendo's approval? Because of rushed localization?
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Even beyond that, the quote in the OP doesn't disprove the idea of Minish Cap being first in the least. All they're saying is that they'll never lock down a game as being the first EVER, cause they could never make prequels. The Minish Cap was the "first" game until they decided to make a game before it, basically. No one ever claimed THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF ALL THINGS with that game, just that, when it was released, it was the earliest in the chronology.
 
Tathanen said:
Even beyond that, the quote in the OP doesn't disprove the idea of Minish Cap being first in the least. All they're saying is that they'll never lock down a game as being the first EVER, cause they could never make prequels. The Minish Cap was the "first" game until they decided to make a game before it, basically. No one ever claimed THIS IS THE ORIGIN OF ALL THINGS with that game, just that, when it was released, it was the earliest in the chronology.
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Exactly, I don't know why people have trouble understanding this.
 
The timeline is beyond the grasp of human minds. I just want to know who the villain is going to be in Skyward Sword, since it takes place before Ganondorf's origin story in Ocarina of Time.

It will be hilarious if they stick him in there anyway. The confusion it adds to the timeline speculation will be orgasmic.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Capcom wanted TMC to be first, but Nintendo decided against it at the last minute. Since the US was getting the DS before Christmas 2004 and Europe wasn't, so Europe was getting TMC that Christmas. They rushed the localisation with an unfinished script that had all that stuff in it.
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Where is this changed script? It would seem to me that its blatantly before OoT. No master sword, No Ganon, no talk of Sages.
 
jett said:
When are you people gonna realize it's all bullshit and there's no timeline.
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jett said:
Voice acting in Skyward Sword plz, time for Nintendo to evolve the presentation of this series.
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with the option to turn it off for normal people that can't stand nintendo's voice actors and the direction they give them.

i mean have you listened to the stuff in fire emblem path of radiance/radiant dawn, or baten kaitos 0/1, or metroid other m, or super mario sunshine? ugh
 
AniHawk said:
with the option to turn it off for normal people that can't stand nintendo's voice actors and the direction they give them.
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Of course! :P I guess there's little hope for quality V.O. after Other M huh. But hey, maybe this time they could get it right...!
 
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