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[AniHawk]

Of course! I guess there's little hope for quality V.O. after Other M huh. But hey, maybe this time they could get it right...!

they're already experimenting enough with this zelda. i don't want them to experiment more

i bet there will be va of some kind though. maybe in the form of gibberish language. or maybe there will just be some huge orchestral music in the background that would drown it out anyway ala super mario galaxy.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Id be fine for voice acting as long as Link remains mute as hell, personally.

 

[Boney]

The timeline is beyond the grasp of human minds. I just want to know who the villain is going to be in Skyward Sword, since it takes place before Ganondorf's origin story in Ocarina of Time.

It will be hilarious if they stick him in there anyway. The confusion it adds to the timeline speculation will be orgasmic.

I bet Ganandorf is gonna be there. It can't be a mainstay Zelda without him.

 

[jett]

they're already experimenting enough with this zelda. i don't want them to experiment more

i bet there will be va of some kind though. maybe in the form of gibberish language. or maybe there will just be some huge orchestral music in the background that would drown it out anyway ala super mario galaxy.

If they're gonna do a made-up language they need to go all the way like the Ueda games, not just sampled gibberish. I don't see Nintendo doing that, though. The cut-scenes definitely need proper voices, seeing Ganon mouth off without any sound coming out was just a bit too ridiculous.

I agree that Link could remain mute. It worked really well in Dragon Quest VIII.

 

[Pre]

I bet Ganandorf is gonna be there. It can't be a mainstay Zelda without him.

says otherwise

 

[AniHawk]

it just hit me. it's been a really long time since we've heard about this game or seen anything new. and we know only how the game controls, a little of the story, and some parts of the world map (since the e3 demo was basically a patchwork of things).

i thought for sure we would have had some word about it at the meeting last month, what with all the trailers they released for new and already-announced games.

i guess it will play out similar to super mario galaxy 2. we're probably another 4 months away from any more details and a near-final game.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

I bet Ganandorf is gonna be there. It can't be a mainstay Zelda without him.

This game takes place long before OoT. There's going to be no Ganon, or Ganondorf in the game. My guess would be its going to be Vaati as the main villain. It would make a nice bridge between TMC and OoT.

 

[apana]

What if they haven't even made much of the game yet? It could be till next christmas or beyond. Hopefully someone is working on more freaky cutscenes.

 

[AniHawk]

it'll probably be "the spirit of the triforce of power" or some sort of proto-ganon if they're really serious about it being pre-oot.

 

[AniHawk]

What if they haven't even made much of the game yet? It could be till next christmas or beyond. Hopefully someone is working on more freaky cutscenes.

well they've been working on it since before twilight princess was released. i would hope a five year development schedule would be enough.

plus they said at e3 the game itself was almost done.

 

[apana]

it'll probably be "the spirit of the triforce of power" or some sort of proto-ganon if they're really serious about it being pre-oot.

Hey it could be the pre twili people/ dark sorcerers that were mentioned in TP. Those have to be the most likely villains at this point. They are the only villains we have heard of that existed before OOT, at least officially.

 

[Phenomic]

http://www.zeldainformer.com/images/articleimages/Majora%27s%20Mask.jpg

says otherwise

It's funny because it's so true. Majora's was still the last best Zelda since OOT IMO. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed Wind Waker a lot too. EVen Twilight wasn't terrible. It just felt "meh" I've never had that feeling before when playing a Zelda game and now it resonated that way with the last 3 titles for me.

 

[Boney]

Majora's Mask

says otherwise

Why are you using Zelda Gaiden as your example?

They could create a compelling villian instead, since they have. But Seeing it's the first console Zelda since like 5 years, and the last 2 handheld ones haven't, I can bet Ganandorf will be there in one way or another.

It would be like having a Zelda where Hyrule hasn't been established and there's no Zelda... that'd be just wrong.

 

[AniHawk]

Hey it could be the pre twili people/ dark sorcerers that were mentioned in TP. Those have to be the most likely villains at this point. They are the only villains we have heard of that existed before OOT, at least officially.

or it could be majora. and he'll basically be satan.

 

[apana]

or it could be majora. and he'll basically be satan.

What if Majora was the leader of the pre-twili people that were mentioned in TP???!!

 

[Poyunch]

I would be extremely pissed to see Ganondorf in this game. He ruined Twilight Princess for me and shoe-horning him in another game especially in one that takes place before Ganondorf became infamous would really be pushing it.

 

[LegendofJoe]

I really want to see more from Skyward Sword, what we got at e3 was barely a sampling. For the sanity of non time-line obsessed Zelda fans throw us a bone Nintendo!!

 

[WillyFive]

GUYS. No game before Ocarina of Time should be included in timelines! They were never meant to be part of the story that is going on now!

We don't even know if there is a story going on and Nintendo is just annoying us.

 

[Big One]

I don't think Ganondorf should be in Skyward Sword, but his DAD could be!

 

[AniHawk]

I really want to see more from Skyward Sword, what we got at e3 was barely a sampling. For the sanity of non time-line obsessed Zelda fans throw us a bone Nintendo!!

yep. we don't know:
-the amount of dungeons
-the structure of the game
-the mode of travel
-the design of the overworld
-the music, how much will be orchestrated, and what it sounds like (compared to the pretty decent sampling of SMG's we had when that was shown)
-the possibility of va
-if this will be a "solo" adventure (there was no fairy/zelda/midna/king of red lions type helper at the e3 demo)
-how the super guide is going to work

 

[apana]

This is the official timeline ( I stole this from the squirrel dude):

.............. WW->PH->ST
/
SS->OoT->
\
................. MM->TP

It splits off at OOT.

 

[tiff]

with the option to turn it off for normal people that can't stand nintendo's voice actors and the direction they give them.

i mean have you listened to the stuff in fire emblem path of radiance/radiant dawn, or baten kaitos 0/1, or metroid other m, or super mario sunshine? ugh

at least laughably bad voice acting provides entertainment value. what am i getting out of text boxes?

 

[WillyFive]

at least laughably bad voice acting provides entertainment value. what am i getting out of text boxes?

Colored text that shows you what to look for!

Find the bucket.

 

[Christopher]

Don't. It's OoT 2.0, but long, boring and no charm. I forced myself to beat it. A pure uninspired rehash. It made me want Nintendo to put the franchise on hiatus, so they could come out with a new one later, without it being stale.

agreed TP SUCKED.

 

[WillyFive]

agreed TP SUCKED.

Not that I agree, because I don't, but it's ironic since the game was meant to be totally for the fans.

 

[tiff]

Colored text that shows you what to look for!

Find the bucket.

well, yeah, i guess. and if i were 10 years younger i might miss the ability for NPCs to say your user-created name, too.

Not that I agree, because I don't, but it's ironic since the game was meant to be totally for the fans.

who is a Zelda game made for if not the fans?

 

[Raging Spaniard]

who is a Zelda game made for if not the fans?

So Zelda only exists for fanservice? Come on.

 

[Boney]

So Zelda only exists for fanservice? Come on.

 

[-PXG-]

agreed TP SUCKED.

That's why I have almost zero interest in Skyward Sword. I'm dying for a Paper Zelda. A cross between Zelda 2 and Super Paper Mario, or something like that. That would be awesome. Or, do a "Master Quest" remake Majora's Mask with Wind Waker's art direction.

 

[apana]

So Zelda only exists for fanservice? Come on.

If you count Aonuma as a fanboy then yes.

 

[jett]

TP sucked? Come on TP is a good game, great even sometimes. It was still chained by the confines of OOT's school of game design, but it's pretty fun all the way through.

TP should really be the last one of those, though. Don't know how much SS is gonna change things but I'm setting my expectations low for now.














Now Super Paper Mario, that game is awful. Lulz at wanting a Zelda game like that.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

TP is better than OoT.

 

[apana]

TP has a lot of brilliant moments, its just uneven. The game shows that the zelda team still has a lot of talent left in them.

 

[-PXG-]

TP is better than OoT.

Oh, here we go...

 

[AniHawk]

Christopher liked Sonic the Hedgehog 06. For anyone unaware, that game is objectively terrible on many levels.

 

[tiff]

So Zelda only exists for fanservice? Come on.

obviously not, but TP is not alone in trying to appeal significantly to long-time fans of the series.

TP sucked? Come on TP is a good game, great even sometimes. It was still chained by the confines of OOT's school of game design, but it's pretty fun all the way through.

the "TP sucks" stuff is largely hyperbole, but even setting aside the disappointment, i'd really hesitate to even call it a good game. it's so conservative and predictable that i struggle to remember a part of the game that really stands out on its own. maybe the sky temple?

Now Super Paper Mario, that game is awful. Lulz at wanting a Zelda game like that.

...but i'll completely agree here.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

obviously not, but TP is not alone in trying to appeal significantly to long-time fans of the series.

Ill agree that TP's direction had something to do with the incessant bitching from the "fanbase" that said WW sucked and was ugly, plus the LotR movies were all the rage back then and people wanted mature Zelda, etc, etc ... but Nintendo does things their way and they still tried new things.

TP is a great game, calling it bad is just one of those "this is neogaf" moments. The thing is that when a Zelda game is not all of a sudden the greatest shit ever, fans flip out. Also, it was the first time that a Zelda game was not the best looking game of all time at the time of release, that plays a factor.

 

[jett]

obviously not, but TP is not alone in trying to appeal significantly to long-time fans of the series.

the "TP sucks" stuff is largely hyperbole, but even setting aside the disappointment, i'd really hesitate to even call it a good game. it's so conservative and predictable that i struggle to remember a part of the game that really stands out on its own. maybe the sky temple?

...but i'll completely agree here.

Huh, TP has great gameplay mechanics and nice, varied dungeon designs. There's not one I disliked. Plot and character-wise easily the best and most ambitious from the Zelda team yet. I really don't understand the hate it gets. It's conservative yes but that doesn't get in the way of the awesome. It's easy to complain "oh man yet another conservative OOT-like Zelda game", but it's not like we are swimming in an abundance of those type of games. I guess that's why I liked TP, by the time I played it the last Zelda game I had played was 7 years, Wind Waker. It had been a long time for me. Other Zelda copycats didn't do much for me, like Okami. Nobody does Zelda best than Nintendo.

 

[Phenomic]

Not that I agree, because I don't, but it's ironic since the game was meant to be totally for the fans.

Game was far too easy, if they really wanted to support a hardcore fanbase with that game it would have been more challenging. They really need to get a hardmode into the game or something because this cupcake stuff isn't cutting it for me anymore.

 

[miksar]

How old was Ganondorf in OoT? Even if he is not the main villain in SS there might be some kind of reference to him if Link will visit Gerudo in the game.

 

[ElFly]

the "TP sucks" stuff is largely hyperbole, but even setting aside the disappointment, i'd really hesitate to even call it a good game. it's so conservative and predictable that i struggle to remember a part of the game that really stands out on its own. maybe the sky temple?

Really? Nothing stands out in the game? I have a lot of problems with the game, but at least these sequences/features were memorable to me (spoilered cause you never know who's reading):

Spoiler

-Running around as a wolf in a 3D world (I guess Okami, just a couple of months earlier, stole the thunder on that one. Still, hard to call it "conservative and predictable")

-The joust battle on the bridge to rescue the kid.

-Battling Ganon on horse in the final battle.

-Sky temple, of course.

-The cutscene of Ganon escaping his imprisonment.

-The whole magnetic boots sequence, which had shades of Mario Galaxy platforming, just slower.

-The boss in the desert temple, with you riding the gear top thingie (which was criminally underused afterwards).

 

[jett]

Game was far too easy, if they really wanted to support a hardcore fanbase with that game it would have been more challenging. They really need to get a hardmode into the game or something because this cupcake stuff isn't cutting it for me anymore.

The secret cave in the Gerudo desert was the game's hardcore mode.

 

[apana]

How old was Ganondorf in OoT? Even if he is not the main villain in SS there might be some kind of reference to him if Link will visit Gerudo in the game.

Link is going to end up being Ganondorf's dad.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKYyh8zi3aI

This was one of the rare moments of TP in which my attention was at crazy levels. I really loved the presence of fear here.

Developing this side of the story would have made the game a much better one. More intriguing.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Really? Nothing stands out in the game? I have a lot of problems with the game, but at least these sequences/features were memorable to me (spoilered cause you never know who's reading):

Spoiler

-Running around as a wolf in a 3D world (I guess Okami, just a couple of months earlier, stole the thunder on that one. Still, hard to call it "conservative and predictable")

-The joust battle on the bridge to rescue the kid.

-Battling Ganon on horse in the final battle.

-Sky temple, of course.

-The cutscene of Ganon escaping his imprisonment.

-The whole magnetic boots sequence, which had shades of Mario Galaxy platforming, just slower.

-The boss in the desert temple, with you riding the gear top thingie (which was criminally underused afterwards).

Spoiler

Hyrule Castle being the last temple

was really fucking awesome.

Really sweet last boss fight too .... different from WW's which was also excellent.

 

[Dr.Hadji]

This game takes place long before OoT. There's going to be no Ganon, or Ganondorf in the game. My guess would be its going to be Vaati as the main villain. It would make a nice bridge between TMC and OoT.

Why do people keep saying this? Link OOT was also the first "Link" was it not. So if a Link can appear in SS why can't a Gannon?

 

[Phenomic]

The secret cave in the Gerudo desert was the game's hardcore mode.

For the life of my don't remember anything about that at all what so ever. Time to search.

Oh that place, yeah that makes sense I guess. I don't really like optional stuff to be the only hard part of a game though. I want them to force me to rage :lol

 

[Kozak]

I think Majoras Mask was definitely the first game of the series.

One of those masks definitely held time travel capabilities.

 

[Pre]

Capcom wanted TMC to be first, but Nintendo decided against it at the last minute. Since the US was getting the DS before Christmas 2004 and Europe wasn't, so Europe was getting TMC that Christmas. They rushed the localisation with an unfinished script that had all that stuff in it.

This is one of the more popular orderings (with Tingle games included). There are also child timeline heavy orderings, but they're espoused by crazy people who used to believe that there wasn't a split timeline.

Doesn't Minish Cap have to be the first game? It depicts Link first getting his hat, which is a symbol of the Hero of Time that all later Links would wear.

I don't know much about the Four Swords game, but I've seen them placed both before and after OOT. Minus those games, I currently understand the timeline as being TMC -> SS -> OOT, and then the split. Not entirely sure after that, but isn't the imprisonment war that is referenced in the backstory to LttP the whole ordeal in Ocarina?

Also, Seasons/Ages placement has to be weird as hell, because Twinrova is present in those games and is then killed off in OOT.

 

[HylianScribe]

Ganon CAN be in Skyward Sword. Most Zelda fans don't think fourth dimensionally.

Doesn't Minish Cap have to be the first game? It depicts Link first getting his hat, which is a symbol of the Hero of Time that all later Links would wear.

The Minish Cap depicts how one Link gets his hat. Nowhere does it explicitly say this is the origin story of why Link has a hat on in every game or something.

Nowhere does it explicitly state the Hero of Time wears anything specific in Ocarina of Time. The Hero of Time is just somebody who possesses the qualities deemed worthy by the Master Sword, allowing that person to wield the blade and fight with the power of the Sages. Yea, Sheik does make a reference to Link "standing there, you really do look like the Hero of Time", but she could she be speaking to his aura or something. The Hero of Time is later referenced as other titles, though typically the catch-all title is simply the Legendary Hero, and the prophecy is that whenever a great evil descends upon Hyrule, a Hero will rise up to strike it down. If the hero fails, nobody can stop the evil from ravaging Hyrule.