Chobel
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Oh please, it's only MS. Dragon Quest X had Cross-platform between PC, Wii U and 3DS. The PS4 (which come later next year) will support cross-play.
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Who is preventing online cross-play from happening?
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Oh please, it's only MS. Dragon Quest X had Cross-platform between PC, Wii U and 3DS. The PS4 (which come later next year) will support cross-play.
They have allowed crossplay with Xbox, and also other consoles. They wouldn't allow Xbox Live on PlayStation, but if MS wasn't insistent that Xbox Live itself never integrate with other online platforms (in the way that for example PSN does with Steam), then they wouldn't need to.
Moon_frogger
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nintendo doesn't even enter the picture with their lack of 3rd patry support. as for the rest, street fighter V would have been cross platform on xbox one if microsoft had gone along with capcoms plans for the future of the franchise. they didn't, so capcom proceeded without them. the fact is cross platform gaming is coming, just not to microsoft devices.
Enigmatic Rainbow
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Microsoft, if referring to cross-play with other consoles and PC. They still allow cross-play between certain titles with PC, as already mentioned.
Nintendo already had cross platform on Wii, and has it on Wii U
How is it completely useless if it's cross-play for PC -> Xbox if the PC version is a Windows 10 store version? You can still be on your PC and play...
I do agree that MS doesn't allow cross-platform and I understand their reasons. It sucks for gamers but it's probably more hassle to work with other ecosystems that you're competing with than just keeping it to yourself.
my desire on this depends on how it's implemented. the EA separate agreement shit for the 360 was terrible as is uplay on the PC.
If it could be done without a ton of different agreements for the service, sure, but that will never be the case for most games as the devs wants something in return.
If it could be done without a ton of different agreements for the service, sure, but that will never be the case for most games as the devs wants something in return.
Evolution of Metal
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I would say that technology is the number one problem. Most games launch with net problems anyway.
Controls are a great question: players can get a good advantage using mouse/keyboard on shooters.
PC platform is notorious for cheaters/hackers/botters etc. Biggest games of the planet (CSGO, LOL) have a huge amount of aim/wall hackers and botters. It is much easier to control your product on a closed platform.
I can see MS/Sony unwilling to let their players play with friends/family without the need of their products.
Controls are a great question: players can get a good advantage using mouse/keyboard on shooters.
PC platform is notorious for cheaters/hackers/botters etc. Biggest games of the planet (CSGO, LOL) have a huge amount of aim/wall hackers and botters. It is much easier to control your product on a closed platform.
I can see MS/Sony unwilling to let their players play with friends/family without the need of their products.
xenorevlis
Member
I just found it amusing that you find factual things amusing. The policies in place have been mentioned by many devs on Twitter and in videos, but again, believe what you will. I neither like or dislike it - it's your opinion. It's the internet! Also, this is a discussion board, so forgive me for responding
It's obviously Microsoft. None of the other companies seem to have a policy against cross-play.
It puts it out of reach for the vast majority of publishers who want to make a PC game.
Dragon Quest X is going to have crossplay between Sony/Nintendo/PC. I'm pretty sure there's another indie game with crossplay between their platforms. Only Microsoft seems to have a problem with this, for whatever reason.
So Square is lying when they said MS is the issue for crossplay?
And what about those games that have crossplay between Sony and Nintendo platforms?
You can only stick your head in the sand for so long before you need to come up for air.
So Square is lying when they said MS is the issue for crossplay?
And what about those games that have crossplay between Sony and Nintendo platforms?
You can only stick your head in the sand for so long before you need to come up for air.
How? The Windows App Store is just as open as any other store. If you want Xbox Live integration, obviously you need to talk to Microsoft, and that's one thing, but putting a game on the Windows App Store is not "out of reach" for this "vast majority of publishers". I don't know where you got that from.
I understand it is on Microsoft to 'play ball', but why is all the blame on them? Can someone explain that?
I know Xbox Live is miles above PSN is service. What if MS doesn't want to play ball because they can't or won't just negate Xbox Live? I have no proof or arguments for this point I am just curious as to : why it isn't discussed?
Basically I know it's Microsoft's fault, but why aren't we discussing the fact that it could be because of Xbox Live. i can totally understand it being their fault if their service is better than what people want them to do just for crossplay
I know Xbox Live is miles above PSN is service. What if MS doesn't want to play ball because they can't or won't just negate Xbox Live? I have no proof or arguments for this point I am just curious as to : why it isn't discussed?
Basically I know it's Microsoft's fault, but why aren't we discussing the fact that it could be because of Xbox Live. i can totally understand it being their fault if their service is better than what people want them to do just for crossplay
Kent
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That was prior to PSN, so therefore, this issue wasn't present.
Other issues, with regarding other standards, were present, but exceptions were made to get a big-name Japanese game like Final Fantasy onto the 360.
PSU didn't have cross-platform multiplayer with the Xbox 360 version. It was not only on a separate server, but it's also the only version of the game with global servers.
It's weird that people are saying it's Microsoft, considering that Microsoft announced crossplay for Fable Legends and Killer Instinct. MS' only beef with crossplay is that mouse and keyboard users regularly outclass controller users.
If you were a Sony fan, would you want to admit that Microsoft doesn't want to connect to Sony's notoriously hack-friendly service? Easier to blame one of the world's foremost internet security corporations than to admit that PSN is leakier than a sieve.
If you were a Sony fan, would you want to admit that Microsoft doesn't want to connect to Sony's notoriously hack-friendly service? Easier to blame one of the world's foremost internet security corporations than to admit that PSN is leakier than a sieve.
autoduelist
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I've read this post 3 times and can't make heads or tails with it. Sony has examples of crossplay on their systems with PC, yet somehow they're at fault too because Nintendo, even though you admit there aren't even any opportunities for it? What?
I mean I own all consoles so I don't really care as much and I also put the blame in MS steps. But can we really fault them for not wanting to mix with PSN in that way.
Cause a cross platform game is pretty much the same as Netflix. It doesn't use xbox live or psn at all. It uses servers and code a 3rd party creates and can be accessed by xboxs and PlayStations. It's strictly comes down to "hey we want to use our server for PlayStation, xbox, and pc" same as Netflix.Microsoft says no while the other 2 are OK.
Japanmanx3
Member
'PSN gonna infect my Live tho'...
smh.
smh.
Devs themselves said that the roadblock between PC/PS/Xbox cross play has been MS every time in the cases they were asked about it. FFIV isnt on Xbox platforms for a reason.
https://twitter.com/RocketLeague/status/672697224292261889?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
InsaneZero
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Crossplay is shorthand for "cross-platform play", which means playing against players on completely different platforms. Microsoft now uses Xbox to refer to their entire gaming platform, so you're still on the Xbox platform when you're playing Fable Legends on Windows 10.
Fable Legends won't be available on any other platform (not even on Steam), so for all intents and purposes it's not crossplay.
Japanmanx3
Member
With them proposing to monetize the PC front again, nothing will probably change anytime soon. Just more walled gardens.
CharminUltra
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Sorry, GAF. I'm responsible.
Its hilarious how many people are willing to go through such contortions to not arrive at the simple and obvious answer of Microsoft.
Square Enix says it's Microsoft preventing them from doing it.
Psyonix says it's Microsoft preventing them from doing it.
Criterion says it's Microsoft who made them remove it.
It's as plain as day, but some people refuse to see it.
Square Enix says it's Microsoft preventing them from doing it.
Psyonix says it's Microsoft preventing them from doing it.
Criterion says it's Microsoft who made them remove it.
It's as plain as day, but some people refuse to see it.
Gigantic will have cross-platform play with Windows 10.
When I asked reps at PAX East about it, they said that it will be an "opt-in" feature, so you don't have to be paired up with/against the other platform if you don't want to.
I don't think Microsoft wants to have cross-platform with previous versions of Windows, but it's happening with 10.
When I asked reps at PAX East about it, they said that it will be an "opt-in" feature, so you don't have to be paired up with/against the other platform if you don't want to.
I don't think Microsoft wants to have cross-platform with previous versions of Windows, but it's happening with 10.
This.
Microsoft are stuck in their bubble were they think Xbox on Windows, Xbox console and Windows Mobile will dominate the whole world so who cares or needs to play ball with anyone else. Reality doesn't seem to penetrate that bubble that breeds Xbox One, GFWL, Kinect as the best ideas ever, we love it, everyone else will love it, does everyone agree, yes, see it can't fail!
Chobel
Member
Oh look, another one of those ignorant posts about "security".
Me.
Seriously?
Just use steam big picture, bam, problem solved.
Use your favorite controller without the need of a keyboard and mouse.
To op:
MS only allows crossdplay with pc on their own games.
They need to use their servers so the games that have crossplay with pc are MS exclusives.
Nintendo probably forbids that completely, there is no indication about crossplay on Nintendo console with anything other tha the 3DS.
Sony allows crossplay with pc.
Sony probably don't have a problem with crossdplay with MS.
What games definitely should be crossplay?
Games like Trials (including sharing Maps from different platforms), Fighting games, Racing games, Coop games, Sport games and overall games where the mouse used to shoot in a vs environment. Those games need separated game modes with controller for pc. Than they will work fine.
Shpeshal Nick
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Technically, do does Microsoft. Unless you don't count Windows 10 as PC.
Melchiah
Member
That's news to me. I had no idea they block Steam, and presumingly Origin and whatnot, that way.
I know it didn't have cross-platform play. However, like FFXI it bypassed Xbox Live to provide the service, resulting in a gold subscription not being required to play it. It's the only example other than FFXI I'm aware of.
But then going by your analogy it would be as if Netflix and Hulu would want to share the same show. They each have their servers/service why would they want to have to use a 3rd party one and some other code when the one they have is better.
Same way I might be seeing it here, even if I am wrong. What you mentioned makes sense, but why would MS want to use other server and 3rd party code when they have their own great servers and first party code for online?
I still can't see any negative blame for MS here. It sucks but it is what it is.
GrantDaNasty
Member
Microsoft. Microsoft. Microsoft. Microsoft.
No for real though, Rocket League, FFXIV, and other notable cases will show you MS are the only people who are against crossplay if it involves any party outside PC.
Edit: I would add Nintendo as well to be fair, but at the same time, WiiU isn't exactly getting many multiplatform games with online components to begin with.
No for real though, Rocket League, FFXIV, and other notable cases will show you MS are the only people who are against crossplay if it involves any party outside PC.
Edit: I would add Nintendo as well to be fair, but at the same time, WiiU isn't exactly getting many multiplatform games with online components to begin with.
We're like most people, we just don't count windows 10 app store.
kavanf1
Member
Very valuable contributions, well done.
I'm not getting why you think that's so far fetched. Here's how these things tend to go: a proposal gets made by non-technical people (sales, marketing, relationship managers) representing the companies in question. They agree to look into it, pending a review by their subject matter experts to check if the proposal will be feasible in terms of the company policies and standards. There will be a minimum set of criteria that Microsoft will have (and they're MS, so these criteria will be lengthy, and specific, and if you don't meet the requirements, you generally have one of two options: either bring your product up to the minimum requirements they accept, or no deal). The relevant due diligence (including a review of security standards) is carried out and is found not to meet MS's requirements. (Interestingly, a refusal to answer can also count as not meeting requirements.) Ultimately, MS refuse the deal on that basis. Gamers and their desires don't feature in the decision, but they end up viewing the result as an intentional slight on them instead of a normal run of the mill unsuccessful assessment that happens every day in large corporations.
Again, I'm not saying this is how it happened. I just think it's better to discuss the complexities behind these things instead of the "herp derp, MS hate customers" stuff that gets trotted out. Clearly a lot of people have no idea.
MS has nothing to do with where the game is hosted, the developers do. Tons of games on XB1 use their own servers instead of Azure.
The Netflix/Hulu analogy is flawed as those companies solely provide and host the content available. MS/Sony don't.
UnemployedVillain
Member
MS has been known for other anti-competitive actions and we flat out have devs quoted as saying they're the reason. It's hard to be open to your view on the matter when we have almost conclusive evidence of the reason why
You miss understood me cause mine was an example and not an analogy. Microsoft already allows you 3rd party servers and code when it allows you to use Netflix and hulu.they don't allow it with games. They get the blame when games start to not come to xbox or if those crossplatform games do have a much much smaller player base.
kavanf1
Member
I'm not disputing that MS are primarily responsible for it not happening, I've taken people's word for that. I'm pointing out the potential reasons for why they made that decision.
No one in their right mind is going to openly admit they are actively not doing something that everyone is requesting. It'd be terribad PR :L
We do have MS PR try to place the blame on the third parities the wanting cross platform by saying its because of 'third party deals with competitors' like did they when trying to explainwhy FFXIV isn't on Xbox.
ScatheZombie
Member
To echo pretty much everyone else and other developers... it's Microsoft.
About 4 years ago, I was working for a publisher that was releasing a multi-platform online shooter for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. The initial plan for the game included cross-platform servers and cross-platform play. Sony didn't care. Microsoft said no. They scrapped cross-platform play altogether since they were going to need separate servers for the Xbox anyway and it would be easier to just maintain 3 separate communities with our current tech than to develop new cross-platform server architecture and authentication system that only 2 of the platforms used. Plus, the publisher didn't want to piss off Microsoft by having cross-platform play be a feature of only PC and PS3.
I would not be surprised if this happens with a lot of other titles who want cross-platform play, but just don't want to bother with it if you still need to setup Microsoft with their own closed system.
About 4 years ago, I was working for a publisher that was releasing a multi-platform online shooter for PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. The initial plan for the game included cross-platform servers and cross-platform play. Sony didn't care. Microsoft said no. They scrapped cross-platform play altogether since they were going to need separate servers for the Xbox anyway and it would be easier to just maintain 3 separate communities with our current tech than to develop new cross-platform server architecture and authentication system that only 2 of the platforms used. Plus, the publisher didn't want to piss off Microsoft by having cross-platform play be a feature of only PC and PS3.
I would not be surprised if this happens with a lot of other titles who want cross-platform play, but just don't want to bother with it if you still need to setup Microsoft with their own closed system.
InsaneZero
Member
Why would you add Nintendo to be fair? Is there an example of Nintendo not allowing crossplay?